Where did Yzerman go wrong with the rebuild?

[heyfolks]

DRAFT: B+
UFA: F-
COACH: C

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

All I know is at this point his seat should be getting hot. The bad contracts and roster construction while bad, at least I can understand the rationale behind them. But staying behind a lame duck coach that you hand picked as we flounder around in what should have been a competing year is for me inexcusable.

 

[Twinger]

I don't understand this magical age limit of 30 where players are suddenly no longer part of a core. Larkin's game has longevity, he is not one dimensional where if one his one thing declines then his game is toast. Yeah obviously we need players that can fill in or even take over but its not like we need a cup run within 2 years or Larkin suddenly needs to be taken out to pasture. Lots of cup winning teams have 30+ year players in their top 6.

It's more if he's not in his prime at 30 and we don't have someone to replace him. I don't understand this magical drafting where all of our picks make it and are stars. Ed could be the next Myers and that's wheels off the defence rebuild

Larkin plays a high tempo game and is in his scoring prime right now. Kasper and Nate may be 4 years away from a ppg if they even make it.

Sure lots of cup teams can have 30+ in their top 6 but they aren't what drives a cup team, below are 30+ top 6 players.
Panthers - Rodrigues
Vegas would be your best one with marchessalut, smith, stone and karlsson
Avs Kadri
Lightings last cup - Stamkos and headman

I'm going to lean towards the players we have drafted not turing out like your Barkovs, Mackinnons, Kucherovs, Eichels

And I'm not looking at cup run in 2 years, more like playoffs in 2 then 2 years of teeth cutting and then maybe contenders.

Is Lalonde even here next year? Is the next coach the one to take us to the playoffs or is it another 2 or 3 years of finding a coach to put a system in place?

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[minimal]

All I know is at this point his seat should be getting hot. The bad contracts and roster construction while bad, at least I can understand the rationale behind them. But staying behind a lame duck coach that you hand picked as we flounder around in what should have been a competing year is for me inexcusable.

If you thought this was a year that we would compete for the playoff with the roster we have, that's on you. I think if Lalonde is getting fired, it's going to be around mid-December after this series of gameday/off-day is done. Even then, I fully expect it to be an interim coach.

Another year of bad/uninspired hockey is awful, but there's no hot seat until the young players seriously flounder in the next few years.

 

[Winger98]

It's more if he's not in his prime at 30 and we don't have someone to replace him. I don't understand this magical drafting where all of our picks make it and are stars. Ed could be the next Myers and that's wheels off the defence rebuild

Because those are the stars that typically have to align for teams to become contenders for any extended period of time. Everyone knows there's a chance that it doesn't happen for whatever reason. The Wings wouldn't be the first to suffer from that, and they wouldn't be the last. And that is what would likely be the final nail in Yzerman's GM coffin.

But a lot of these kids are trending in the right direction and we are at that point where we will see them filter into the lineup in a serious way. So we'll soon find out.

 

[lidstromiscool]

DRAFT: B+
UFA: F-
COACH: C

I'd add a couple more grades:

1st round draft: A+
2nd round and later: F
UFA: F
Roster construction: D
Coach: incomplete - roster is terrible, hard to evaluate

 

[schuelma24]

I'd add a couple more grades:

1st round draft: A+
2nd round and later: F
UFA: F
Roster construction: D
Coach: incomplete - roster is terrible, hard to evaluate

The thing about 2nd round or later is if just one prospect hits the rest is irrelevant. And Buch and Lombardi are both looking like they could do it.

 

[lidstromiscool]

The thing about 2nd round or later is if just one prospect hits the rest is irrelevant. And Buch and Lombardi are both looking like they could do it.

It's been 6 drafts. With averaging over 2 second round picks per draft. With some truly astoundingly bad picks. Draper/Yzerman have zero clue on what to do outside the first round.

 

[Snuggs]

I don't want to give you the money for Stamkos! But here is more money to sign Kane, Tarasenko, Talbot, Gus, Fischer, and Motte which was $15,175,000 not including the Kane bonus and also paying big for Mo and Ray.

But yeah I'm sure he cheaped out on Stammer, sure.

Literally a half dozen stop gaps doesn't scream commitment either.

I'm not mad they didn't sign Stamkos, I just see both sides of this coin. Hate to bring his name up but Shayne Gostisbehere is a guy so far worth the term.

 

[Oddbob]

DRAFT: B+
UFA: F-
COACH: E-

Fixed.

 

[wingsfannn919191]

Unless yzerman gets rid of bodies who are the next guys to get called up when we have injuries???

Easy answer would be danielson and lombardi but I was looking at the roster and soderblom will be 24 next summer and wallinder 23.

I'd say those are the next call ups?? We have to make a final call on soderblom(still think there might be something there) and wallinder will probably be in the lineup due to his age but he should get some games in so he'll know what to expect

Course I want to see lombardi and danielson but those 2 are my first guys. Mazur as well whenever he returns

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Literally a half dozen stop gaps doesn't scream commitment either.

I'm not mad they didn't sign Stamkos, I just see both sides of this coin. Hate to bring his name up but Shayne Gostisbehere is a guy so far worth the term.

But this "rumor" is Illitch didn't want to pony up, so he then ponies up?

Not sure how many times I can go into the Ghost convo but here one last time. He made 4.125mil here and had his second best season of his career. So logically that means he is going to want a raise in Detroit. I don't think there was a chance in hell he was signing here for 3.2mil x 3 years like he did for a contender. You don't post one of your best seasons and take a pay cut, unless everyone knows what you are and you couldn't get the payday expected so you went with that.

He is a 3rd pairing PP specialist. The one thing I was scared about losing Perron and Ghost for was our PP and so far it's good. I'm sure we would still be having these awful defensive lapses and complaining about Yzerman signing yet another bloated contract. Just like most of us were happy, me included about the Tank signing.

Hindsight and all that.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Literally a half dozen stop gaps doesn't scream commitment either.

I'm not mad they didn't sign Stamkos, I just see both sides of this coin. Hate to bring his name up but Shayne Gostisbehere is a guy so far worth the term.

He's 20 games into a 3-year deal (or 226 more games).

This season is not one the Wings would worry about with Ghost. It's what role he'd be playing on the Wings in the 2026-27 season.