Where did Yzerman go wrong with the rebuild?

[TheOctopusKid]

True. But its bad now and makes it hard to trust the money we’re going to spend moving forward

Allow me to postulate two thoughts:

1. The FA's that the team has targeted have been specifically to buffer the transition to the core prospect, so character, professionalism, and term became the requirements, and not their ability to help us win or be part of a longer term solution.

2. Any free agent of any note or value, hasn't considered Detroit as a destination unless there was either a pre-existing connection (Motte, Debrincat, Compher, Copp), they were looking for a short term 'prove-it' deal to increase their market value (Suter, Kubalik, Kane, Ghost, etc.) or we were their last real option to make any real money / role that matters (Sprong, Tarasenko, Petry).

I honestly believe the only actual free agents who had choices and turned down comparable opportunity/money that without Michigan ties are Chiarot and Holl, and both of them have been super mediocre. Long are the days where we are a destination for FA's looking to win, or play with a veteran laden, playoff machine, etc.

I think he will spend the money just fine when the core is set, and he needs to zero in on a top end free agent who is also showing mutual interest. Till then, we don't really get the pick of the liter.

 

[RabidBadger]

Edit: disregard.

 

[RabidBadger]

Imagine this team with Necas and Hughes

We probably don’t have Mo/Lucas but I’m still salty over those drafts

I'm not so sure about that. Retooling the defense seemed to be the priority when Stevie took over. If anything, ASP might be the odd man out if you already have a puck mover like Hughes and you have Mo and Ed in the system.

I'm not quite as sure about Ray, but he seemed the obvious choice at the time. I remember @Frk It and @Hen Kolland beating the drum very early on for him.

 

[Ulysses31]

interesting thought, over this season and last team has a better record without Kane dressed.

not saying Kane a net loss or is a bad player but i think roster may not match style lalonda trying to implement.

 

[Oddbob]

Kyle Davidson in Chicago will lol


Has anyone here ever considered that BrisBois was the talent in TB and not Yzerman ?

Watch a TB game. Hagel is a star and the two kids (Moser and Geekie) they got for Sergashev are really good and cheap. BrisBois won that trade by a landslide. Just saying.

JB also gave 1st-5th round picks and a player for Tanner Jeannot. Then after 1 season traded Jeannot for 3rd and 5th round picks. Essentially losing 3 picks for nothing. Every GM can hit and miss.

Proper rebuilds don't take six years just to get back to the playoffs, especially when the supposed best GM in hockey was hired. Also, the draft isn't the only way to accumulate talent.

This isn't difficult to understand. You're free to continue to have blind faith and continue to kick the can down the road - the rest of us who operate in the here and now are more than justified in being fed up and out of patience.

More than one has asked for all these examples and you never give any.

 

[Game suspension]

JB also gave 1st-5th round picks and a player for Tanner Jeannot. Then after 1 season traded Jeannot for 3rd and 5th round picks. Essentially losing 3 picks for nothing. Every GM can hit and miss.

BrisBois > Yzerman

The best thing SY did was hire BrisBois as a AGM in 2010. Since the 2 have parted I think it's obvious who the better GM is. There is no Yzerplan lol.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

BrisBois > Yzerman

The best thing SY did was hire BrisBois as a AGM in 2010. Since the 2 have parted I think it's obvious who the better GM is. There is no Yzerplan lol.

Al Murray and regional scouts made most of the meaningful good picks in Tampa. Yzerman was a trade wizard but had his flaws in Tampa for sure.

 

[Gniwder]

If Stevie waived the entire team tomorrow, how many players would get claimed?

Forwards: DBC, Ray, Larkin, Kane, Kasper, Burger
Defense: Ed and Mo
Goalies: Both because Lyon is cheap

Half the roster...

How did Stevie manage to accumulate so much garbage?