Oddbob
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No Wings fans thought he would be a 60 pt player. He has never hit 60 pts ever.
Where did Yzerman go wrong with the rebuild?
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No Wings fans thought he would be a 60 pt player. He has never hit 60 pts ever.
Steve Yzerlland
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I wasn't. I was bashing the signing when the ink was still wet. Same with Chiarot and Holl.
Salary cap suppose to be 95-97 mill next year .... yayyy more copps and comphers coming our way
Some were basing it on his production in NY, and Yzerman definitely must have thought there was some untapped offensive potential that finally came through in NY, or else there was no way he would give him that contract
I don't know alot about the point totals but alot of fans were acting like smart asses and giving me sh*t when I said he sucked and wasn't a 2c when the guys had like 40 pts once lmao
Ppl saw a good rangers post season and thought he was a 2c lol think every fan unanimously hated holl
and I bashed compher signing day 1 and said he was never was never 2 c and I'll never change my mind. Petry trade was a headscratcher...didnt like the debrincat trade cause I thought we were moving a top 15 pick,was wrong on that one we fleeced the sens but dont think hes here longterm and I'd flip him if I were gm depending the player(s)coming back
Yzermans got some work to do now while we're waiting for the kids and remove some bad players
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I don't have receipts but I recall more than one or two posters tooting their horns about Copp coming into his prime after signing him and how he had basically become a point a game player while with the Rangers in the regular season and playoffs. Those who are now saying otherwise have very selective memories.
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I remember those posters. They were making instant excuses too saying he didn't have a training camp. The guy is a complete plug and I never wanted him. I don't care if he is from Michigan and played college with Larkin who gives a f*** about shit like this...
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Quite a few people said that he's a legit 2C. How many points do you expect out of a 2C?
46 "centers" (as listed on NHL.com) scored 60 or more points last season, so 60 is a reasonable expectation out of a 2C. That explains why I said he's not a 2C and never will be. Somehow there are still a few people here trying to justify the crappy contract.
Anyways, Copp isn't THE problem, he's just a symptom. Stevie's UFA signings have been pretty miserable even for placeholders, except Talbot. He can use "building through the draft" as an excuse, but it looks to me that he's just afraid to make big moves to acquire talent both in UFA and trades. (DeBrincat being the exception as far as trades, all of the other big ones were as a seller, not a buyer.)
This team is gonna go through another rebuild if Danielson isn't a high end 2C, and the team won't be contenders unless he's a legit 1C. I suppose that could happen, he does have the tools. He'll need to drive the play more like Larkin does.
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It’s funny how this thread started as a pseudo-troll to poke fun at people who were upset with the progress of the team. And now has become a legit discussion with some of the people who were saying Yzerman is doing a fantastic job being the ones who are worried now
So based on imagenery posts on a message board, where also eldery people who play ball hockey write stupid stuff, you think that Yzerman was expecting Copp to be long-term solution capable of 60-65 points production, despite him never reaching this level till age of 28. I get it. It is for sure explains a lot of things to me that happened in state of Michigan in November.
Apparently, that's almost everything our pro scouts do.. look for birthplace/college in Michigan..
JediOrderPizza
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People said Copp was gonna score 70 points! I remember! I think?
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I think you guys remember like one person maybe going around and twist it in your minds to act like 10-20 Red Wings fans were badgering you.
Confirmed with Link: - Andrew Copp to Detroit | 5 years @ $5.6M
I think you guys remember like one person maybe going around and twist it in your minds to act like 10-20 Red Wings fans were badgering you.
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Convenient for you (and others) to forget or completely deny now too. Copp has gone from a 2C to a "we needed him for the salary floor" in 3 seasons. There's reasons we aren't going to get a sniff of the playoffs while going from salary floor to salary ceiling. Copp isn't the only one - just a good example.
This might not be completely Yzerman's fault. But something tells me a lot of his old Red Wing buddies that he has working for him aren't doing their jobs and/or giving him some bad advice.
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You made the claim. The onus is on you to back it up, not me.
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Post in thread '[DET] F Andrew Copp signs with the Red Wings (5 years, $5.625M AAV)' Confirmed Signing with Link: - [DET] F Andrew Copp signs with the Red Wings (5 years, $5.625M AAV)
Post in thread '[DET] F Andrew Copp signs with the Red Wings (5 years, $5.625M AAV)' Confirmed Signing with Link: - [DET] F Andrew Copp signs with the Red Wings (5 years, $5.625M AAV)
Post in thread '[DET] F Andrew Copp signs with the Red Wings (5 years, $5.625M AAV)' Confirmed Signing with Link: - [DET] F Andrew Copp signs with the Red Wings (5 years, $5.625M AAV)
Post in thread '[DET] F JT Compher signs with the Red Wings (5 years, $5.1M AAV)' Confirmed Signing with Link: - [DET] F JT Compher signs with the Red Wings (5 years, $5.1M AAV)
Want me to waste more of my Sunday morning keep digging or you going to admit you're wrong?
JediOrderPizza
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Two posts dang. Shots fired. The other two aren't crazy, thinking Copp having a full summer and camp to train might be good for him is crazy thinking? He had 42 points his first season.
I guess camp isn't important to you tho.
Speculation: - Raymond Seider Contract Speculation
Cant see Kasper unless he has an unreal camp and I imagine Berggren makes the team as he would need to clear waivers unless there is a trade before then... that seems more likely to me. Mazur makes sense in a bottom 6 role, guess his main competition would be Watson whos on a PTO? Berggren...
All this is dumb shit though, we could all dig through each others posts and find stuff.
Guys, this discussion is going off the rails...
Let's focus on what SY needs/should do today to set the team up for the best chance(s) of success...
I think it's apparent SY needs to do something, possibly drastic, to keep the train on the tracks...
What that is should be the debate only, not what was done previously by who...
Let's focus on what SY needs/should do today to set the team up for the best chance(s) of success...
I think it's apparent SY needs to do something, possibly drastic, to keep the train on the tracks...
What that is should be the debate only, not what was done previously by who...
I feel like he's kind of stuck for this year, assuming he's still unwilling to give up assets for short term help.
Honestly, assuming this keeps up, I think the question is if he turns into a pure seller and without admitting it out loud, tries to position the team in the best possible draft spot.
I still maintain that starting next year, things should really start to turn around - I think Cossa will be ready to come up, and ASP might be there as well, and there will be oodles of cap space.
But I'm not sure I see a solution to this year, other than making a coaching change to spark something.
JediOrderPizza
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I agree he has to wait to get rid of the dead weight, and a panic move won't help anything.
Why assume a move is a panic move though? That narrative only serves those who think the "Yzerplan" is floundering...
A coaching change..
A trade for a young legit top 6 forward or youngish top 4 dman should be seen as an investment in today and tomorrow
A coaching change..
A trade for a young legit top 6 forward or youngish top 4 dman should be seen as an investment in today and tomorrow
If I can inject a bit of positivity - I think overall, the prospects/young guys are progressing this year and I think you can argue that for long term future of the contention window, this year has been a positive (hear me out).
- Ed is legit. That wasn't a sure thing. Look at Jiricek. Having 2 legit first line D's is huge.
-Kasper is up, like we wanted, and though the points aren't there yet, I think overall he's showing he belongs and should be set up very well for next year.
-Cossa looks amazing so far in GR. He's carrying a heavy load and is rocking a .937 save percentage. He looks ready to be the back up next year.
-ASP has taken things to another level as well and I would say he's closer than we thought to being ready. Again, it's looking very possible that we have 3/4 of the top 4 D set.
-Lombardi has taken a step up in GR. Still a question mark on if he makes it IMO, but he's doing everything right so far.
-Danielson and MBN have started to pop after admittedly slow starts to the year.
-Last but not least, Buch might be for real. 26 points in 27 games in the KHL. He looks legit. Obviously still a question mark on if/when he comes over and his size, but there's a chance we hit the lottery.
Ok that's it. Back to our ranting.
- Ed is legit. That wasn't a sure thing. Look at Jiricek. Having 2 legit first line D's is huge.
-Kasper is up, like we wanted, and though the points aren't there yet, I think overall he's showing he belongs and should be set up very well for next year.
-Cossa looks amazing so far in GR. He's carrying a heavy load and is rocking a .937 save percentage. He looks ready to be the back up next year.
-ASP has taken things to another level as well and I would say he's closer than we thought to being ready. Again, it's looking very possible that we have 3/4 of the top 4 D set.
-Lombardi has taken a step up in GR. Still a question mark on if he makes it IMO, but he's doing everything right so far.
-Danielson and MBN have started to pop after admittedly slow starts to the year.
-Last but not least, Buch might be for real. 26 points in 27 games in the KHL. He looks legit. Obviously still a question mark on if/when he comes over and his size, but there's a chance we hit the lottery.
Ok that's it. Back to our ranting.
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I agree, which is why I prefaced with short term. If he can make a deal for someone who improves the team for the next 5 years, absolutely go for it. I just don't want to give up assets for a half a year rental.
The unfortunate reality is how Yzerman is limited as to what he can do without potentially tearing the team apart...Start with a coaching change/s - from outside the organization.
Fire Lalonde and the coaching staff.
Get new voices in that dressing room and proper leadership from the coaching staff.
This is a fragile team that needs a real hard nosed old school coach. Don’t care who or where he comes from. Give him the “intern” title so if things continue to go wrong, you can cut ties come season end.
The season isn’t over yet. Time to turn this train-wreck around.
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