we would also have no leader in that locker room. By all appearances Larkin does everything the right way, he's the kind of guy you want around a bunch of young players learning what they have to do to make it in the NHL.
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we would also have no leader in that locker room. By all appearances Larkin does everything the right way, he's the kind of guy you want around a bunch of young players learning what they have to do to make it in the NHL.
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I think Zegras can be had with pennies on the dollar. Not that he is a 'needle mover' but we need more young dynamic players in this lineup.
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Yeah I think Zegras by himself doesn't move the needle, but if the trade is good value wise, if he can find chemistry with someone, it could potentially be a great fit. If he found that with Kasper or Danielson when they come up and another two-way player on such line.
Also why I think they should have been in on Fabbro, idk if they were. Him alone doesn't move the needle much, but if he would have landed in Detroit, finding a solid d-partner for him could make it overall good if the chemistry would be there.
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Think zegras is the exact type of player we should target. Top 10 pick,still young & hasn't seen a bunch of teams like perlini (who didnt see that disaster coming?)
Had 60-65 back to back seasons to start his career. Dont know what happened there but the whole teams struggling there. Definetly think he can be a 70-80 pt guy
Zegras larkin raymond
Think that could be a hell of a line next year... sadly I dont think yzerman would entertain it anyways
Keep hearing david jiricek and columbus not going well. Doubt it happens with seider pellika here but that could solidify the right side for 10+yrs
Seider
Pellika
Jiricek
I know a veteran right dman likely fills that spot but coulda been nice haha
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There is one thing that still pisses me off about Larkin and he seems to be doing more again the past 2 seasons. The looking for calls and "diving" a lot of times and on a lot of ticky tack garbage. It is the one thing that has always bothered me about him and wish he would knock off. Trying to make the refs look bad just gets you fewer calls in the future, and isn't respectable. He seems like a great leader in every other way except for this issue.
SY needs to do something both upfront and in the backend...
If it's not actively looking to improve then send guys back down and start selling off...the middle ground is not the right plan
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It's time to start selling off.
Kane
Fischer
Berggren
Lyon
Maybe Veleno/Rasmussen/Gustafsson. Idk if Petry/Chaiort/Holl/Motte hold any trade value at all.
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Maybe Veleno/Rasmussen/Gustafsson. Idk if Petry/Chaiort/Holl/Motte hold any trade value at all.
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Fischer only makes 1.1, id keep him, also Motte should stay , underpaid local guy .
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So many bad contracts I don’t even know where to start
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Yzerman has done a terrible job since 2019 let's just call a spade a spade. I loved him as a player. Probably my second favorite wing all time after Fedorov but who cares about all that shit. This team has zero direction. Is old. Has horrible contracts.
Zero elite young superstar dynamic offensive players. Yeah you could say Raymond but I don't ever see him as a perennial 90-100pt season kind of guy. Its just a complete shit show. And the owner sucks too. Yzerman has zero pressure of losing his job. Country club vibes.
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Even if you wanted to, I don't think all could be sold off. I'm just saying in-general, yeah it's sell time anyone of those players at any moment. Unless you've got some sort of confidence this is a playoff capable team?
I like some of these guys even but if you're going to suck this year, and they're on one-year deals, you have to squeeze some value out.
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Name a single example of such a player that Yzerman missed out on.
Whatever side you're on this is pretty much the core of the rebuilt team. (I also define core as your 5 players so you can pick who you want) Larkin, Raymond, Seider and Evinsson then one of the below guys.
Butch
ASP
Nate
Kasper
Cossa
Im not sure how far that core pushes us towards a cup in the next 5 years
Yes yes yes we're going to be getting rid of the dead weight contracts and all our prospect development will be linear but probably 1 of those 5 listed prospect will be an impact player. If Kasper /Nate become 55+ and great defensively then that's amazing but is that enough of a core to push us to a cup in that window?
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Im not sure how far that core pushes us towards a cup in the next 5 years
Yes yes yes we're going to be getting rid of the dead weight contracts and all our prospect development will be linear but probably 1 of those 5 listed prospect will be an impact player. If Kasper /Nate become 55+ and great defensively then that's amazing but is that enough of a core to push us to a cup in that window?
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So i have to do his job to prove he is doing his job lower than we all expected? If I could tell you who we should have gotten wouldn't that make him look even worse? I have a question for you, are you pleased where we are almost 6 years after he was hired?
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The 6 years before he was hired led to the 6 years after. Short of Fox and Panarin saying f*** NYC, Detroit is where it's at there was no speeding it up. The franchise altering guys fall in your lap or you build slowly and incrementally. There is no other way.
Sell berggren when hes finally producing and can build up his trade value longer he stays over likes of veleno gustafsson copp etc... ummmm ok
And if your looking for trade value you move Talbot. Hes probably the only player that can fetch a 1st with retention from a contender like Colorado that we can then use to pull another debrincat like move. We cant do that cause husso is always hurt
Kane will bring back squat cause he'll decide where to go. Likely a 3rd
If it were up to me copp at 3-3.5 might be able to be moved . Talbot retained and veleno while we still can. Prob hang on to Rasmussen for his size for now
Dont need 2 expensive 4th line guys
Negative value contracts
Husso (last year)
Rasmussen
Chiarot
Holl
Petry (last year)
Gustafsson
Tarasenko
Copp
Compher (is beginning to look that way)
That’s like $40mill off the top of my head? In contracts you’d have to pay someone to take?
Not to mention we spent a 2nd and 4th rounded this offseason to clear two other contracts
Husso (last year)
Rasmussen
Chiarot
Holl
Petry (last year)
Gustafsson
Tarasenko
Copp
Compher (is beginning to look that way)
That’s like $40mill off the top of my head? In contracts you’d have to pay someone to take?
Not to mention we spent a 2nd and 4th rounded this offseason to clear two other contracts
No more draft picks!! We're beyond that now and we need to acquire prospects over picks
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I said we can use the 1st to make another debrincat type trade . Picks can be assets
