It's not star players who are a worry. It's the below average to slightly above average players that weigh you down I'd signer to long term deals.
Where did Yzerman go wrong with the rebuild?
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It's not star players who are a worry. It's the below average to slightly above average players that weigh you down I'd signer to long term deals.
KJoe88
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It’s ok. Buchelnikov is our savior. Dude is a monster in NHL 25
Joking aside I have high hopes for him.
Joking aside I have high hopes for him.
Let’s be thankful he missed on Stamkos
Ilitch family would never allow it. They still have a grudge for the Hurricanes offer sheet and bolting for the Ducks.
That’s why 91 isn’t retired.
SirKillalot
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Frankly I think its going to plan.
Should have been bad one more year earlier, but we can be bad this year and gun for a top pick, cause we need another top end forward, if we can get one of those ourselves through the draft instead of trading for one, the better.
The players on the Wings who will be around in 3 years are generally our best players and the prospects are showing out really well this year.
I think it actually is going to plan?
I think it actually is going to plan?
JohanFranzenstein
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I just love being bad between the 2023 and 2026 drafts. I love missing out on franchise players like Bedard and McKenna!
cvaicunas
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Your logic is sound. Only game I still have is NHL 13. I created a player to join the Wings and Mursak sucked there too.
Realgud
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Friendly reminder that this team has been trash since they added the trash patch. Haven't stopped being bad since.
I don't have NHL 25 but afaik russian players who haven't played in leagues other than in russia are usually not in the game. Same with NCAA... so did you create him and made him a 99 overall?
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I think more or less it is too. I'm guessing expectations for Tarasenko, Gustafson, and now maybe Compher were higher.
12 minute mark .... these leads groupies kill me lmao they should be more worried about their precious leafs than the redwings
I do think we need an elite forward but I think raymond is a star and can hit 90+ someday + elite back end coming in seider edvinsson pellikka and goaltending tandem
Best thing for us to do is sell some dopes now and land a hagens misa porter,make some off season moves and come back
Again f*** these leafs groupies they can go give marner 13 per and count on their lackluster prospect pool and wonder why they never win a cup let alone a playoff round
gritdash60
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You can win without superstars, if you have a team of big forwards and solid defenders. Detroit has 2 good defenders and 4 good forwards of which 0 are big.
KJoe88
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I use TacTix HD’s and Vasys rosters mod.Friendly reminder that this team has been trash since they added the trash patch. Haven't stopped being bad since.
I don't have NHL 25 but afaik russian players who haven't played in leagues other than in russia are usually not in the game. Same with NCAA... so did you create him and made him a 99 overall?
He’s rated a 72 but in a couple sims in franchise he grew to an elite 88-92
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And as we learned between 2018 and 2022, being bad definitely means you'll win the lottery! /s
Coach Reggie Dunlop
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Lol what? Our defense is shaping up to be huge. As for offense, the last 3 forwards we have taken are kasper 6’1, Danielson 6’2, MBN 6’1. As for starters, Larkin 6’1. That’s three centers 6’1 and up. Raymond is a bit under sized but doesn’t play like it. Everyone else won’t be here when we are competing so they don’t matter. Our only good forward prospects that are small are Lombardi and Buch.
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Considering they basically committed international human trafficking to get him here... I've ALWAYS sort of understood.
Mr. I really went to great lengths to get him out of Russia and even offered more money than the Ducks... so yeah, I've always understood. Fedorov was/is still my favorite Red Wing ever, I have no doubts in my mind Red Wings would have won, one or two more Stanley cups than they did if he had finished his career out here.
You don't retire a player's number who leaves you, you don't go back to GF's/Wifes who choose other dudes, you don't refriend an adult who's stabbed you in the back already... etc. etc. etc. I think that's how the Ilitch's feel, and I don't blame them. I also don't think Fedorov is a bad person for wanting to be the man on his own team and live in that Hollywood life. Some of his very best years as a Red Wing were when Steve Yzerman was injured and Fedorov was thrusted into a bigger role with more ice-time.
The fact that he even moved on from Anaheim and didn't come back kind of further solidifies the "break-up"... and it's ok, that's how it is sometimes.
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Maybe chris can follow in his dads footsteps and sneak out nikishin and demidov out of Russia and stick some moustaches on them with new identities and present them as new undrafted wings players
izlez
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The title of the thread and coming out of a football Sunday got me thinking.
The Detroit Lions are having a great year and have been building their core through the draft.
Yzerman has always been preaching patience and building through the draft.
So, is Brad Holmes doing a great job (yes, he is) at this and Yzerman doing a bad job?
I STILL say no and the answer is STILL patience.
In the NFL, the Lions are drafting players that are developed. They drafted players THIS YEAR that are older than Yzerman's 2019 draft pick, Moritz Seider. Players from Holmes' first draft in 2021 are 25/26 years old. That was Edvinsson's draft year and he is 21.
Yzerman is just now entering the comparable window of when Holmes started, and it took him a couple years to turn things around while being a phenomenal GM. 18, 19, 20 year old's just aren't ready to be pros.
(Sorry for the comparison if you're not into football or the Lions)
The Detroit Lions are having a great year and have been building their core through the draft.
Yzerman has always been preaching patience and building through the draft.
So, is Brad Holmes doing a great job (yes, he is) at this and Yzerman doing a bad job?
I STILL say no and the answer is STILL patience.
In the NFL, the Lions are drafting players that are developed. They drafted players THIS YEAR that are older than Yzerman's 2019 draft pick, Moritz Seider. Players from Holmes' first draft in 2021 are 25/26 years old. That was Edvinsson's draft year and he is 21.
Yzerman is just now entering the comparable window of when Holmes started, and it took him a couple years to turn things around while being a phenomenal GM. 18, 19, 20 year old's just aren't ready to be pros.
(Sorry for the comparison if you're not into football or the Lions)
the time frame for prospects is just crazy different in the nhl from the nfl and nba. The MLB is similar, but if you really want to contend in baseball you can spend. @Bench talked about this in another post around here, how the NHL is almost painfully slow for turning a franchise around. I'm not sure how the league changes that, or if they want to. The only thing I can think of is by some how eliminating 18 and 19 year olds from the draft, select only people 20 and older. More kids more mature and more likely to be able to step into the NHL sooner. I don't know if that would fly, though.
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The thing is that Fedorov is the guy that got stabbed in the back. Not the Wings. The Wings never negotiated with him fairly.
Pretty f***en ridiculous people are still making excuses. We dont win most of those cups without him. Hes a wings legend and his jersey should be raised
Its beyond embarrassing
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I think you can argue Stevie didn't do a great job this off season for the near future, but I agree that I think the rebuild is going fine it's just taking longer than people would like. We also aren't building that super creative offensive team that a lot of people prefer. The Wings have 3 super high end young Dmen in Seider, Ed, and ASP. We probably need to go out and get a good top 4 dman to pair with them, but I also think we could see one of Aljo, Wally, or Antjo end up there. Then we have 2 top tier goalie prospects in Cossa and Augustine. Cossa has the top tier athletic ability and Augustine seems to just have that goalie it factor. If those dman and one of the goalie hit you've just locked up a top tier defense in this league.
The forwards are still a bit TBD but Kasper, MBN, and Danielson are the types of forwards that you win with in the playoffs. I feel like we are building towards a Boston model. Can Kasper/Danielson/ Larkin = out to a Bergeron/Krejci model. Can MBN be that semi power forward rat like Marchand. Can Ray continue his upwards trajectory and be a real offensive powerhouse ala a pasta. Then we have the potential home run guys like Lombardi, Buch, Finnie, Plante. We don't know what we'll end up with but all 4 are trending nicely.
If you don't end up with a sure bet top 3 player or luck into a generational guy by being bad rebuilding takes a lot longer. Its not a failure unless his top draft picks don't hit. Seider, Ray, and Ed are already hits as far as I'm concerned. If the forwards develop, and that is still tbd, we are in a good spot.
This season is absolute trash, I want Lalonde & co gone. I hated our off season signings. We didn't address our lack of top 4 dman and the Walman trade was bad, Signing Copp and Compher was redundant. Petry and Holl were redundant. I wasn't a huge fan of bringing Kane back either, not entirely against it, but I had questions about his play at the end of last season and it has carried over. None of this ultimately has a huge effect on the rebuild because we are building back end forward.
If I have any criticism on the rebuild process its Stevie needs to do a better job ensuring there are spots for the young guys to get into. If they outplay multiple vets for a role in pre-season they should be on the team from the start. I'm all for making sure a player is ready before they hit the NHL, but you also need to to time it a bit so you don't have 4-5 guys looking to go at once, because I just don't see them ever going full youth movement with that many rookies in the lineup at once.
I think Fedorov's number should be retired, and it will when all dinosaurs will die, but there is no way the initial negotiations was not fair. The first generation Russians were very greedy, Fedorov's attitude toward the game was completely different from Yashin, with respect to money his attitude was the same. I read enough stupid stuff which his father happily unloaded to newspapers (like complaining that his son is paid peanuts in 2002, using his actual salary and not mentioning that the half of his total contract value was paid out as Cup bonus in 1998). Ilitch had all the reason to feel the one being backstabbed by Fedorov in 1998 and repaid him in 2003, which was the right call.
But if you as owner let this things impact your perception of on ice greatness, you look like a petty idiot. You had your revange in 2003, let bygones be bygones
