When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?
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SoundAndFury
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What's wrong with people discussing the rebuild which after 8 years of missing the playoffs relies on a pile of FA signings to have 8% chance of getting into the PO? Who is climate change denier now?
ViewsFromThe6ix
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Don’t worry guys, they have three #1D in the wings. Rebuild is fine.
KirkAlbuquerque
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You're using 18 games to judge a 6-10 year rebuilding process, yes you are still behaving like someone denying climate change because it's been a cold couple of weeks.
Seider: #1D
Edvinsson: looks great on a top-pairing, needs to start regressing to not be #2D at minimum
Sandin-Pellikka: on pace for best U20 season of all-time in SHL
Yes, how ridiculous to claim these are good young d-men.
SoundAndFury
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Yzerman signed those FAs to push you over the edge into contention and 3 years after his shopping spree has nothing to show for it. Now most of them have negative value and aren't actually helping with the "process" in any way. Yet you are using the fact that they might accumulate enough talent to get into the playoffs over 10 years as some kind of redeeming feature.
Yes, if you have 0 expectations this rebuild is right on track since you will get something eventually with multiple first-round picks every year.
That wasn't the claim and you know it lol.
Kulich Rosen Ostlund Benson two 1sts . We take Larkin and Seider you can re-rebuild.
TheBeerNerd
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Starting a proper rebuild is like dealing with alcoholism- the first step is admitting you have a problem, but most teams aren't honest with themselves and let things get worse until they wake up in a ditch on the side of the road. Artificially trying to keep that playoff window open was Detroit's first mistake.
I really don't see what the Yzerplan is getting at. The reason some of these rebuilds take so long with little or no progress is because they don't also come with a team identity. I couldn't tell you what the Red Wings' is. They've been screwed by lottery luck, but you gotta take what you can get and get some guys in the later rounds that pan out. The development has been subpar with the young guys either not taking the next step or just flat out not being as good as expected. Finally, you can't just sign shiny new toys in free agency to fill roster spots, especially when they're expensive. Kane and Tarasenko need to be added later, and they need to fit in with that identity.
The reason the Devils got out of a lengthy rebuild is because they eventually checked off all of those boxes- build around the youth core, establish an identity as a fast team, and get vets who fit that mold. It hasn't been all perfect, and they had to retool with that identity this offseason, but it's safe to say that they are out of it. What steps have the Wings taken with any of that? The Yzerplan should have started with an identity and went from there.
I really don't see what the Yzerplan is getting at. The reason some of these rebuilds take so long with little or no progress is because they don't also come with a team identity. I couldn't tell you what the Red Wings' is. They've been screwed by lottery luck, but you gotta take what you can get and get some guys in the later rounds that pan out. The development has been subpar with the young guys either not taking the next step or just flat out not being as good as expected. Finally, you can't just sign shiny new toys in free agency to fill roster spots, especially when they're expensive. Kane and Tarasenko need to be added later, and they need to fit in with that identity.
The reason the Devils got out of a lengthy rebuild is because they eventually checked off all of those boxes- build around the youth core, establish an identity as a fast team, and get vets who fit that mold. It hasn't been all perfect, and they had to retool with that identity this offseason, but it's safe to say that they are out of it. What steps have the Wings taken with any of that? The Yzerplan should have started with an identity and went from there.
Ive been a huge supporter of Yzerman crediting him with the Lightning mini dynasty, but holy hell DET looks bad. I think GM's underestimate the effect of location has on their ability to build a good hockey team. Unless you tank hard and get multiple 1OA's, its tough and even then tm doesnt always work. but not being able to attract FA's sucks.
Stewie Griffin
What the deuce
The one thing I've always found ironic to this is that the years they moved back in the lottery, were the years they ended up with Seider, Raymond, and Edvinsson. If they stayed where they were each of those years (and just having the same guys go in each spot) they would've ended up with Byram, Lafreniere, and Johnson. Sure they also could've had Jack Hughes and/or Tim Stutzle, but at the end of the day Detroit has been fine with lottery picks, it's the entire rest of roster building that people are questioning.
I think some Wings fan need to look in the mirror here. You wouldn't accept this from any GM if his name weren't Yzerman. We laugh at the Leafs for much less. And speaking of that, both them and the NY Rangers have done two rebuilds and come out of them after 4 years since the Wings last won the cup (or Zetterberg retired, whatever metric you want to use). You can only say Philadelphia is worse and you know what? They get worse crap on here.
This is not working. Some of it is the cap actually (that's for another day). But this team has been bad and already blew the Larkin/Mantha/Bertuzzi core. Something has to give.
This is not working. Some of it is the cap actually (that's for another day). But this team has been bad and already blew the Larkin/Mantha/Bertuzzi core. Something has to give.
