When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?

[dekelikekocur]

There was a fantasy that Yzerman could routinely pick out the next Brayden Point or Nikita Kucherov in the late rounds and build a contender quickly. Also he inherited Stamkos and Hedman and he had nothing in Detroit other than Larkin to build around, who's not on their level.

He's done an ok job, but has the team in no man's land it looks like, trying to save his job with veteran signings. He has Patrick Kane and Vladimir Tarasenko in key top 6 roles right now for example. The contracts they signed are fine, but how does this team contend any time soon with a situation like that?

Arguably the Sharks are in better spot right now going forward and there's been few GMs maligned as much as Grier on these boards. Just need to get lucky in the lottery really if you want to be a contender, the scouting is so good these days impact youngsters go early and Detroit had poor lottery luck.

What kind of revisionist bs is this? Yzerman out of the gate said it's going to be a long slow rebuild, Det fans have known this since Yzerman took the reigns. The only people I see claiming this bs are non-fans and trolls who claim no rebuild takes longer than 3 to 5 years.

 

[WarriorofTime]

What kind of revisionist bs is this? Yzerman out of the gate said it's going to be a long slow rebuild, Det fans have known this since Yzerman took the reigns. The only people I see claiming this bs are non-fans and trolls who claim no rebuild takes longer than 3 to 5 years.

Translation - "GM says give me unlimited time, everything is right on track"

 

[Hale The Villain]

Most of the criticism of Yzerman is pretty bad faith, and that's coming from a Sens fan who has no love for the Wings.

He took over a team with arguably the worst future of any team in the league. A couple decades of contending and god awful drafting in the 2010s left the Wings with no young stars in the organization beyond Larkin.

It can't be overstated that when Yzerman took over the best young players on the roster were Larkin, Hronek, Bertuzzi and Mantha, and the Wings had just spent their previous 4 1st round picks on Zadina, Veleno, Rasmussen, Cholowski and Svechnikov, with their day 2 drafting being no better.

It shouldn't shock anyone that the Wings haven't made the playoffs yet during his tenure. Would have taken any GM at least half a decade to right the ship.

Where I think he messed up is rushing the rebuild a bit by adding talent in UFA too early. Wings need a few more young stars but their team ended up winning too many games, resulting in their last 3 1sts ending up being 8th (Kasper), 9th (Danielson) and 15th (Brandsegg-Nygard), where it's difficult to find elite talent. I'm also not a huge fan of the Kasper/Danielson picks for them. Both will end up good NHLers, but thought it would have been smarter for them to take swings at guys with higher upside, given their terrible lottery luck (which isn't Yzerman's fault) didn't gift them any elite talent.

Not sure where the Wings go from here. Have the makings of a consistent playoff team once all the young players develop, but it's hard to imagine them taking the next step into contending status.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

They looked awful against the penguins. And the penguins blow so..

 

[Dread Clawz]

Most of the criticism of Yzerman is pretty bad faith, and that's coming from a Sens fan who has no love for the Wings.

He took over a team with arguably the worst future of any team in the league. A couple decades of contending and god awful drafting in the 2010s left the Wings with no young stars in the organization beyond Larkin.

It can't be overstated that when Yzerman took over the best young players on the roster were Larkin, Hronek, Bertuzzi and Mantha, and the Wings had just spent their previous 4 1st round picks on Zadina, Veleno, Rasmussen, Cholowski and Svechnikov, with their day 2 drafting being no better.

It shouldn't shock anyone that the Wings haven't made the playoffs yet during his tenure. Would have taken any GM at least half a decade to right the ship.

Where I think he messed up is rushing the rebuild a bit by adding talent in UFA too early. Wings need a few more young stars but their team ended up winning too many games, resulting in their last 3 1sts ending up being 8th (Kasper), 9th (Danielson) and 15th (Brandsegg-Nygard), where it's difficult to find elite talent. I'm also not a huge fan of the Kasper/Danielson picks for them. Both will end up good NHLers, but thought it would have been smarter for them to take swings at guys with higher upside, given their terrible lottery luck (which isn't Yzerman's fault) didn't gift them any elite talent.

Not sure where the Wings go from here. Have the makings of a consistent playoff team once all the young players develop, but it's hard to imagine them taking the next step into contending status.

I think Yzerman's hope is that at some point they'll attract a big fish forward. At least I hope for his sake.

 

[Czechboy]

I see some good young prospects who should make NHL. A few core guys that are excellent like seider and Raymond. Then place fillers

 

[Zarzh]

Most of the criticism of Yzerman is pretty bad faith, and that's coming from a Sens fan who has no love for the Wings.

He took over a team with arguably the worst future of any team in the league. A couple decades of contending and god awful drafting in the 2010s left the Wings with no young stars in the organization beyond Larkin.

It can't be overstated that when Yzerman took over the best young players on the roster were Larkin, Hronek, Bertuzzi and Mantha, and the Wings had just spent their previous 4 1st round picks on Zadina, Veleno, Rasmussen, Cholowski and Svechnikov, with their day 2 drafting being no better.

It shouldn't shock anyone that the Wings haven't made the playoffs yet during his tenure. Would have taken any GM at least half a decade to right the ship.

Where I think he messed up is rushing the rebuild a bit by adding talent in UFA too early. Wings need a few more young stars but their team ended up winning too many games, resulting in their last 3 1sts ending up being 8th (Kasper), 9th (Danielson) and 15th (Brandsegg-Nygard), where it's difficult to find elite talent. I'm also not a huge fan of the Kasper/Danielson picks for them. Both will end up good NHLers, but thought it would have been smarter for them to take swings at guys with higher upside, given their terrible lottery luck (which isn't Yzerman's fault) didn't gift them any elite talent.

Not sure where the Wings go from here. Have the makings of a consistent playoff team once all the young players develop, but it's hard to imagine them taking the next step into contending status.

Holland generally got better value for his picks than Yzerman, the only really bad years were 2017 and 2018 but overall was average-above average. He got a top 4 defenseman, and a couple top 6 forwards outside the lottery with not a ton of picks.

Apart from losing Stutzle for Raymond, the draft lottery has not negatively impacted the Red Wings, you're missing out on guys like Turcotte and Hayton. Yzerman should be criticized for not tanking enough, not giving enough opportunities to youth, and mostly terrible day 2 drafting. There's also the nightmare scenario where multiple of Ed, Kasper, and Danielson don't produce much offense at the NHL level.

 

[Romang67]

Translation - "GM says give me unlimited time, everything is right on track"

Honestly not that different from how I operate at work.

 

[saska sault]

It's always best to pass judgement after game 1 of 82.

Wings stunk last night, no question about it.

 

[AD1066]

He jumped the gun on mediocre free agent signings instead of continuing to build through the draft.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

What kind of revisionist bs is this? Yzerman out of the gate said it's going to be a long slow rebuild, Det fans have known this since Yzerman took the reigns. The only people I see claiming this bs are non-fans and trolls who claim no rebuild takes longer than 3 to 5 years.

The enthusiasm over Yzerman in Detroit was huge, there's no way it was because they thought the team would be where it is today on the current trajectory it's on. It's revisionist history to pretend like there weren't a substantial number of posters that believed he had some sort of magic touch.

 

[Miller Time]

Tic toc

Another non playoff season and the harder it is to ignore that the rebuild has been poorly managed...

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Detroit lost 1 game, so they're obviously trash this year.

Everyone knows teams that win the cup go 82-0 in the regular season.

He's isn't the best, but bringing this up again after 1 game is idiotic

 

[Borlag]

Biggest critisism I have for Yzerman, as a Wings fan, isn't really in failing to win lottery (not his fault), nor is it even in the early progress to a bubble team status, but instead in having too many spots for the veterans. The drafted 2nd and 3rd rounders should have had their stints in the league sooner and as such we should have had a good look on what kind of players they are. Edvinsson for example should've been there from the start of last season, not at the very end. This season there should be another rookie being pushed in early, while the veterans are being let go. Same goes for the defense as well as the offense.

The other thing I would critisize, even more than the age old the hat goes to the veteran issue, is in keeping Blashill for too long and now in having Lalonde as head coach, when it's painfully obvious that the team needs actual structure. The defensive system, if there even is one, is quite simply atrocious. There needs to be more accountability from the veterans that just don't cut it anymore, just like there needs to be more accountability from the coaching staff that can't get it done. I understand losing to a better team, or losing due to some fluke, but what I can not understand is coasting for 40-60 minutes a game with no apparent game plan.

We get it Lalonde, you never had your momentum

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

Translation - "GM says give me unlimited time, everything is right on track"

That was Hextall's plan in Philly also, he has since been fired twice...Yzerman has unlimited grace it seems.

 

[norrisnick]

That was Hextall's plan in Philly also, he has since been fired twice...Yzerman has unlimited grace it seems.

I'm confused as to why this bothers non-Wing fans so much?

Wing fans would rather be rid of Chris Ilitch than Yzerman.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

I'm confused as to why this bothers non-Wing fans so much?

Wing fans would rather be rid of Chris Ilitch than Yzerman.

Just an interesting observation of fans having blind illogical faith in an inept GM...

 

[Czechboy]

Detroit lost 1 game, so they're obviously trash this year.

Everyone knows teams that win the cup go 82-0 in the regular season.

He's isn't the best, but bringing this up again after 1 game is idiotic

In fairness... this thread is on page 72. It didn't start after they lost '1 game'.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

In fairness... this thread is on page 72. It didn't start after they lost '1 game'.

True, but people want to pile on after 1 game, so I guess the other side gets to say it's going perfectly if they win a game ?

But it is hf, so should be use to overreaction on the smallest thing

 

[Czechboy]

True, but people want to pile on after 1 game, so I guess the other side gets to say it's going perfectly if they win a game ?

But it is hf, so should be use to overreaction on the smallest thing

All fair...

Eg. my Oilers got smashed in game 1. So they suck. Now if I pointed out Vladar is 1-0 and undefeated...lol

 

[Gil Gunderson]

He jumped the gun on mediocre free agent signings instead of continuing to build through the draft.

Not all were bad signings. You can’t have a team full of inexperienced players or else you’ll have a team who doesn’t know what winning is like.