When are we going to be honest with ourselves about how bad Kyle Dubas is?

[PaulD]

That's why the Penguins got him for 3 cap dumps and a 1st.

That being said, the Karlsson deal ended up terrible because it seems like Karlsson is a "good player on a bad team" type of player. He can't be effective playing within a structure and needs to be allowed to play like a rover to be a net positive, but good teams aren't going to want to let him play like a rover. I think what he was last year (55 points in 82 games with a neutral +/-) can be what he can be while playing within a team's system, but that's not even remotely worth $10 million a year.

I think the Penguins will get value for him with retaining 50% and trading him with only a year or two left, but the deal ended up a dud for sure. It's less that Dubas paid a ton for him, but more that Karlsson isn't remotely worth $10 million a year on a good team. Coincidentally, this is similar to what I've been saying about Granlund since he has been performing great with San Jose. I figure that Karlsson ends up getting traded for like a conditional 1st and a B prospect with the Penguins eating half of his deal at either the 2026 or 2027 deadline.

1. Pens are a bad team.
2. Pens have no structure.

So according to your theory this is a perfect team for EK.

 

[BallardEra]

Pens have the worst goals against per game with the worst goal differential in the league.

They have a tough 10 game stretch coming up.

Will be interesting to see if Sullivan can survive for that long.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Pens have the worst goals against per game with the worst goal differential in the league.

They have a tough 10 game stretch coming up.

Will be interesting to see if Sullivan can survive for that long.

Sullivan could shoot Valteri Puustinen in the head at center ice and he'd still keep his job.

No amount of losing is going to cost him his job sadly.

 

[BallardEra]

Sullivan could shoot Valteri Puustinen in the head at center ice and he'd still keep his job.

No amount of losing is going to cost him his job sadly.

It could happen if the losing continues and the fans start chanting "Fire Sully!" at the games.

 

[ChadBigly]

Gifted the dream situation that even my 3 year old nephew likely wins a cup with.

Bungles it so badly by trying to be friends with the young stars and overpaying the shit out of them.

Abysmal trade history, abysmal draft history, abysmal hiring history.


Somehow is wanted by Pittsburgh.

Immediately bungles the last shot of Crosby and Malkin by making a terrible trade for Erik Karlsson when he already has Letang (the same type of 1D PP player) giving up assets for it.

Please explain how this guy is anything but terrible?

I'm glad people are waking up to the fancy stats poster boy being a fraud.

 

[PaulD]

Kyle Dubas has been coasting on Theo Epstein vibes since the mid 2010s while building up his NHL programs under the guise of progressive and analytics... which basically is one splashy and ill fitting superstar per tenure followed by little timid nibbles at the roster, going cheap on defense and moneyball cheap in net. Consistently overpays in the trade market, makes mistakes he needs to cover up with draft capital, makes big headed convoluted transactions that look like parlay bets but miss actual hockey intuition, talks about building rosters like he's "betting," talks up a big loyalty game but good luck to you if you don't come from his inner circle and or Soo entourage.

Bang on.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

We have a guy in the film scoring business who is just like Dubas. Talentless, yet beloved.