Wheeler’s top 100 drafted prospects

[WarriorofTime]

The guy on Denver who is a bit underrated is Eric Pohlkamp. Not tall but built like a bowling ball. Guess we'll see how his game translates to the Pros.

 

[Star Platinum]

The guy on Denver who is a bit underrated is Eric Pohlkamp. Not tall but built like a bowling ball. Guess we'll see how his game translates to the Pros.

I'm hoping he makes the jump to the AHL next year

 

[LeProspector]

Crazy how low Ilya Protas is ranked!

 

[Fantomas]

Button's list is better. Unlike Wheeler, you can tell he's actually seen many of the players.

And the tiers are nonsense.

 

[Fantomas]

Buium has always been viewed with higher regard, I don't see why this is controversial other than Cole's brother killing it at the NHL level so ipso facto Cole should too.

This type of thinking is precisely why Wheeler and people who think like Wheeler are unbearable to me.

It shouldn't matter how a player "has been viewed." Your list is supposed to be based on your views, your inferences and your analysis. Otherwise you're just recycling conventional wisdom. It's lame.

 

[credulous]

(cole) hutson has been unreal over the last two months but he was pretty far back of buium, levshyunov, asp, etc prior to that. if hutson can keep it up through the end of the ncaa season and take a weak bu side deep in the tourney then he has an argument to be ranked among the best dmen (if not the clear best) not yet in the nhl but buium (and others including asp) has a better resume so far

 

[Hockeyville USA]

This type of thinking is precisely why Wheeler and people who think like Wheeler are unbearable to me.

It shouldn't matter how a player "has been viewed." Your list is supposed to be based on your views, your inferences and your analysis. Otherwise you're just recycling conventional wisdom. It's lame.

Which is why I really respect Craig Button's work. Sure, he has some outlandish takes & wildly misses on certain things, but he also goes out on a limb, truly believing in what he sees & makes his lists accordingly. Contrary to popular belief, Craig is actually right more often than people like to give him credit for.

Wheeler does great work, but clearly hasn't adjusted/adapted over time, recognizing his own flaws when things don't result the way he thought they would.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

NOBODY respected the Seider pick, everyone laughed at Yzerman (including Red Wings fans) when he took him at #6. This includes after his AHL season. Can't blame Wheeler on this one. Yzerman had the last laugh though.

Many hated the Seider pick. Pretty much everybody had reversed course on it after his AHL season.

Button ranked Seider #1 a whole six months before Wheeler still ranked him 11th lmao.

 

[Star Platinum]

Which is why I really respect Craig Button's work. Sure, he has some outlandish takes & wildly misses on certain things, but he also goes out on a limb, truly believing in what he sees & makes his lists accordingly. Contrary to popular belief, Craig is actually right more often than people like to give him credit for.

Wheeler does great work, but clearly hasn't adjusted/adapted over time, recognizing his own flaws when things don't result the way he thought they would.

Can someone point me to this great work because I've never seen it.

 

[Breakers]

Wheeler has always struggled immensely on the NCAA side of things

Everybody else can speak to the other leagues and if he is accurate

But the NCAA he straight up SUCKS.
He wrote that big article about wisconsin with Turcotte and Caufield and miller.

He was the guy saying Turcotte and Mittelstadt both should have left, like dude did you even watch them as freshman?

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

How did Hawks do in these rankings?

 

[Hockeyville USA]

How did Hawks do in these rankings?

Very well

 

[EbonyRaptor]

How did Hawks do in these rankings?

The Hawks had 7 on the list - Levshunov, Nazar, Korchinski, Moore, Rinzel, Boisvert and Lardis. Wheeler was on the CHGO Blackhawks podcast and when asked about Kantserov he explained that he had another 30-40 guys that could have made the list in the 80's-90's and that Kantserov, Vanacker and Greene where in that group.

 

[EXTRAS]

Where are Yager, Cristall, and Luneau ranked?

 

[57special]

Where are Yager, Cristall, and Luneau ranked?

61st, 29th, and 59th.

I feel that Buium is overrated here. He has good, not great, skating, and is slightly undersized with average physicality, with good, but somewhat passive defense. Offensive skills are, very, very, good, for sure, but he does not have the tools of a Makar or Hughes, and he might have a hard time bringing those skills into play against NHL checking.

He reminds me of Fox, style wise. If he ends up being that good then MN hits a HR... we'll see. A lot of Buium's plusses are intangibles(vision, hockey sense, the cliched "compete"), and it's hard to predict how, or if those things will come along with him into the pros. A guy like Dickinson might have a lower ceiling, but his size and skating are already NHL calibre.

 

[DJJones]

61st, 29th, and 59th.

I feel that Buium is overrated here. He has good, not great, skating, and is slightly undersized with average physicality, with good, but somewhat passive defense. Offensive skills are, very, very, good, for sure, but he does not have the tools of a Makar or Hughes, and he might have a hard time bringing those skills into play against NHL checking.

He reminds me of Fox, style wise. If he ends up being that good then MN hits a HR... we'll see. A lot of Buium's plusses are intangibles(vision, hockey sense, the cliched "compete"), and it's hard to predict how, or if those things will come along with him into the pros. A guy like Dickinson might have a lower ceiling, but his size and skating are already NHL calibre.

Wasn't he ranked in the top 5 before the draft? Teams obviously see something they don't like as well.

The more stat/analytical rankings still have him higher up.

 

[57special]

Wasn't he ranked in the top 5 before the draft? Teams obviously see something they don't like as well.

The more stat/analytical rankings still have him higher up.

As was Dickinson, and Silayev. Pretty sure that it's more about GM's lusting after the scarcer RHD position. It was shocking to most that all three went so late. It's hard to parse the differences between those three, also. One played KHL, one CHL, one college. One is huge, one big, one slightly undersized.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

The Hawks had 7 on the list - Levshunov, Nazar, Korchinski, Moore, Rinzel, Boisvert and Lardis. Wheeler was on the CHGO Blackhawks podcast and when asked about Kantserov he explained that he had another 30-40 guys that could have made the list in the 80's-90's and that Kantserov, Vanacker and Greene where in that group.

Why is nazar on the list? He’s played 29 NHL games

 

[EbonyRaptor]

As was Dickinson, and Silayev. Pretty sure that it's more about GM's lusting after the scarcer RHD position. It was shocking to most that all three went so late. It's hard to parse the differences between those three, also. One played KHL, one CHL, one college. One is huge, one big, one slightly undersized.

Don't know Wheeler's rules. Korchinski played the entire year in the NHL last season - but it was because he wasn't old enough to play in the AHL - but he's in the AHL now.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Keep in mind that Denver plays a cupcake schedule. I think pure stats are not the end all be all. Buium is the type of player who is having his stats inflated each year he plays for Denver (and he's far from the only one that gets the Denver scoring bump). I think he's a very good player. I think there are plenty who overrate him due to his stats. I don't see him as the next Makar, Fox, Hughes type of scorer.

I see him as like maybe a Keith Yandle, which is a very good defenseman but peaks more as top 25-30 than winning a Norris. I think Hutson is pretty much right in that same range with Buium. He's maybe two inches shorter, but he plays more physical. Buium is actually not that short (he's like 6'0-6'1), but he's not a bulky or physical 6'0-6'1. They pretty much play with the same type of physical profile.

Not Denver's fault that UND, UMD and SCSU are all a bit down this year. UND and SCSU weren't last year.

 

[TLEH]

Its journalism and people want to consume it, but its extremely difficult to have a complete picture of the entire drafted prospects for the entire NHL. I think you guys are way too hard on Wheeler, Pronman, Button etc etc. I could have been overly critical in the past as well.

Think it should be viewed as just content to consume and fill your day. Not gospel.