Seravalli: What's your best offer for Dan Vladar? Colorado would be a fit.

[dirtydanglez]

how many bandaid solutions is colorado going to try.

 

[Dr Amazing]

Annunen and a 4th round pick for Vlader the Avs use Georgiev for a John Gibson trade.

 

[Bond]

The Avs gave up a second for Berra. Vladar should be worth a 1st to them lol

 

[madmike77]

I really don't see Vladar getting more than a 3rd. Maybe even a 4th. He's been much better since the offseason surgery, but it's still a relatively small sample size.

The Flames also have Cooley in the minors so I don't think they'll hold out for a huge return on Vladar. They can deal him and just call Cooley up.

 

[crackdown44]

I get the Flames POV but this would just be stupidity by the Avs. There’s nothing…literally nothing…to suggest Vladar is capable of being the full time starting backstop for a good team, nor is his track record any better than Georgiev’s. Quite frankly, it’s considerably worse. You can make all the concessions about Georgiev being on a good team and Vladar not but I read CalgaryPuck pretty regularly. Nobody…no Flamea fans…thinks Dan freaking Vladar is the answer for anything.

For the Avs to expend draft capital on him on the prayer that he suddenly becomes A) a legit NHL starter and B) good…that’s beyond comical and a complete waste of assets. The Avs don’t need MORE goalies…they need THE goalie. And any use of assets otherwise is stupidity.

In fairness this is just a cesspool of people whose opinions are so bad they get laughed off of HFboards. Which says a lot because there are some pretty brutal posters on HFboards

Of course Calgary doesn’t think Vladar is the answer, he’s just a decent platoon goalie.

I don’t think Colorado would be targeting him as a saviour. Just a guy who could give them some quality starts if they’ve completely given up on Georgiev. Plus he’s likely less expensive than some of the other options on the market

 

[NinjaTurtle]

I think a few others have said it, but Vladar straight up for a 4th and we promote Cooley or Vladar for Georgiev and 2nd to take his salary.

 

[Lunatik]

One or both of those picks better have conditions to upgrade to a 2nd or at minimum a 3rd. It should cost at least that much just do dump Georgiev

You vastly overrate Vladar's value, We got him for a 3rd when he had potential. He's worth a 4th and taking an extra 1m+ is worth the other 4th. less than a dozen games of decent play isn't going to make people forget the past couple years.

I feel like if they’re taking back Georgiev they can get more than two 4ths. However the Flames draft their best players in the 4th round so this might actually be the angle to take

I mean eating Georgiev's contract only adds 1.4m and 1/4 of that is already paid. A 4th for Vladar, and a 4th to eat what's about 1.1m seems about right to me.

 

[The Nuge]

He looks like a decent backup for the first time in 3 years and he’s worth a second? I doubt it. He’s probably in the positive value category though. Maybe a mid round pick with some retention? But good on Calgary if they can get more than that for a 27 year old who had an .882 SV% last year

 

[DJJones]

I'd rather keep him than not get a 2nd. What is this 4th nonsense

Hell, I'd be fine with re-signing him. Going Wolf/Cooley seems risky as hell. Healthy Vladar is a solid backup that I trust.

 

[Spawn]

I'd rather keep him than not get a 2nd. What is this 4th nonsense

Hell, I'd be fine with re-signing him. Going Wolf/Cooley seems risky as hell. Healthy Vladar is a solid backup that I trust.

He’s a career .895 goalie who is a career backup at best and is posting a .905sv% through what… 10 games?

Since when has a goalie like that ever returned a second in value? Logan Thompson who has a vastly superior track record (like genuinely not even close) went for two 3rd rounders in the summer.

 

[Freaky Styley]

As others have said, it's more likely the Avs deal Annunen than Georgiev, as of today.

It's changes weekly though. It's either Annunen goes for a 1A/B upgrade, or both are moved for an entirely new tandem that can platoon starts (I.e. 2 of Vladar/Vej/Talbot/Blackwood)

A problem is the cap. I haven't looked into it thoroughly but the main advantage to Annunen is his contract. The Avs likely don't want to pay much more for a tandem than they're paying now (~4.2M) without shipping out a major piece (Rantanen/Nichuskin/Colton). That's unlikely with Landeskog's status still uncertain (unless the secrecy around Landeskog is more for cap reasons) and limits the options available to them.

In short, there could be a trade with Annunen for Vladar @50%, but I think I'd prefer a different target.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

You vastly overrate Vladar's value, We got him for a 3rd when he had potential. He's worth a 4th and taking an extra 1m+ is worth the other 4th. less than a dozen games of decent play isn't going to make people forget the past couple years.


I mean eating Georgiev's contract only adds 1.4m and 1/4 of that is already paid. A 4th for Vladar, and a 4th to eat what's about 1.1m seems about right to me.

I don't think I'm overrating at all. Conditions would be based on performance and playoff success

 

[MakeCgyGreatAgain]

Paying a 2nd for Vladar would be a poor decision imo

He's been mediocre this year with a track record of being shit and no track record playing starter workload.

He was arguably the worst goalie in the league last year (dead last in GSAx/60).

You obviously don’t watch the Flames.

And last year he needed hip surgery. Which he got and has played very well. Better than Marky on Jersey.

 

[featherhawk]

Zero chance vladar gets a 2nd. What separates him from kahkonen?

Vladar > Kahkonen as this stage in respective careers and it is not close...

 

[Oddbob]

Why would Calgary be moving him when they are doing good to start the season?

I feel like if they’re taking back Georgiev they can get more than two 4ths. However the Flames draft their best players in the 4th round so this might actually be the angle to take

Why? It is 3.4 for the rest of this year only. It is also now about to be December so not even a full season of a fairly low cap number.

 

[HighLifeManIsHigh]

Why do you care you take on cap? It’s an expiring contract and Calgary isn’t a cap team so it makes no difference

Because if you’re taking on salary, you should get more than two 4ths in return

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Why would Calgary be moving him when they are doing good to start the season?



Why? It is 3.4 for the rest of this year only. It is also now about to be December so not even a full season of a fairly low cap number.

1. Calgary hasn't scored more than 3 goals in a game since game 3 vs the Oilers and only has 7 regulation wins this season. They are getting completely carried by goaltending this so far. Whether or not that's sustainable definitely leans towards unlikely. As of right now though the Flames obviously aren't selling yet. as it would leave a pretty sour taste in the room and send a pretty bad message considering their current standings. But lets say they can't pick up their production in December and their GAA goes above 2.00 (it's been 1.85 for November so far), they probably aren't winning nearly as many games or getting to OT as often for the extra point.

2. It's not about the Flames taking on cap, it's about the Avs getting rid of it. This is not a charity league, when when your opponent sees you drowning they throw you an anvil, not a life vest. We have no issue taking on cap, but it will cost you market value to dump that cap

 

[Hobnobs]

Vladar has been playing fairly well, heading into tonight he was just above average in terms of SV% and GAA. Tonight he stopped 25 of 27 (both GA were on the PP).

I could get behind something like this:

• to COL: Dan Vladar [2.200m, UFA '25]
• to CGY: Alexander Georgiev [3.400m, UFA '25], 4th in '25 [VAN pick], 4th in '25 [COL pick]

That seems like a real bad move by the Flames

Edit: Ok, not "real bad" but not good.

 

[dgibb10]

You obviously don’t watch the Flames.

And last year he needed hip surgery. Which he got and has played very well. Better than Marky on Jersey.

Being dogshit your whole career and then being mediocre (still levels below the other goalie on the team) for a quarter of a year shouldn't be enough to pay a 2nd for.

He's having about as good a year so far as Vitek Vanacek. If you want to pay a 2nd for a goalie who's just as big a question mark as georgiev, at least get one who can play a starter's workload

 

[beowulf]

What I don't get with proposals like this is what would the Flames do goalie wise after such a trade? Makes no sense trade a goalie only to have to find another to replace him.

 

[EXTRAS]

Vladar > Kahkonen as this stage in respective careers and it is not close...

How so? I don't see any statistical evidence for valuing one over the other, let alone saying it isn't close. Vladar pretty consistently puts up a sv percentage of between 882 and 906 over the past 4 years in calgary. And using the team not being great doesn't work because each of the past 2 seasons there has been a goalie on the team with a significantly better sv percentage than him.

Kahkonen going from sjs onward had a 916 year and then 2 years between 883 and 895. Then 6 games in njd with good stats which is such a small sample size it doesn't matter.

But really both kahkonen and vladar perform similarly below average. Neither is worth a 2nd.

 

[DJJones]

He’s a career .895 goalie who is a career backup at best and is posting a .905sv% through what… 10 games?

Since when has a goalie like that ever returned a second in value? Logan Thompson who has a vastly superior track record (like genuinely not even close) went for two 3rd rounders in the summer.

Then keep him then.

I've seen plenty of goalies in Calgary I don't trust. Vladar I do.

 

[MakeCgyGreatAgain]

Being dogshit your whole career and then being mediocre (still levels below the other goalie on the team) for a quarter of a year shouldn't be enough to pay a 2nd for.

He's having about as good a year so far as Vitek Vanacek. If you want to pay a 2nd for a goalie who's just as big a question mark as georgiev, at least get one who can play a starter's workload

Like I said. You obviously don’t watch the Flames. You are just a troll that doesn’t know shit. You are so negative I don’t know how people can stand to be around you. Goalies develop differently from other positions. Tim Thomas was “dogshit’ too. Then he became an elite goalie. All you do on here is talk trash and make yourself look foolish. Flames are very happy with how Vladar is playing this year and how he’s recovered from his hip issues. The fact you are saying crap about him shows you don’t actually watch him every game. I didn’t say shit about trading him for a 2nd round pick. I was calling you out for how little you know.

 

[dgibb10]

Like I said. You obviously don’t watch the Flames. You are just a troll that doesn’t know shit. You are so negative I don’t know how people can stand to be around you. Goalies develop differently from other positions. Tim Thomas was “dogshit’ too. Then he became an elite goalie. All you do on here is talk trash and make yourself look foolish. Flames are very happy with how Vladar is playing this year and how he’s recovered from his hip issues. The fact you are saying crap about him shows you don’t actually watch him every game. I didn’t say shit about trading him for a 2nd round pick. I was calling you out for how little you know.

Lmao.

When in doubt pick arguably the biggest development outlier of all time.

Just curious, where does the line end?

Does every 27 year old backup goalie get to use Tim Thomas as a comparison, or just ones on a team you're a fan of?

He's 27, never handled a starters workload, and outside of literally 11 games this year, been a bad goalie at the NHL level.

He's having a similar start to this year as a Vitek, or a Samsonov, or a Korpisalo. And like I said, those guys have track records of playing larger workloads.


Rental backup goalies with a track record of failure don't tend to get much in trade.

Tbh, the best comp you'll probably find for a Vladar-Georgiev swap would be Kahkonen-Vitek from last year.

I believe the last 2 goalies to fetch a 2nd as in season rentals were:
Fleury: reigning vezina winner
Lehner: reigning vezina finalist