Whats wrong with Russia !!!

[jimstark]

Well i just wrote a long post and then lost is...so i will make this a short one.

What the **** is wrong with Russia ??
" We did not play with passion and was not motivated " said Znarok....

How can this happen (and it has happen before..)
I just dont get it..with all this talent...its a shame it really is....

Its not the loosing but how they loose...


A Canadian or a Swedish Coach? I think they have to start to think different regarding the NT.

It would be interesting to know what russian guys here at the forum think..what does the media say? How do they resolve this..

I am so sad..you coud sense it from the second periode that the were going to loose...its like they dont care somtimes...of 10 games only one good periode the first against Sweden..other than that this was indeed a very very bad tournament from Russia...

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[Davebo*]

It's the disrespect post-game that I can't wrap my head around. Win or loss - act like men.

 

[Antonglk]

What can I say? Just about post-game behavior. It's a shame.
About the game itself I didn't have any dreams, team Canada is much more stronger then every team on tournament. I wish next time instead of bringing tired NHL starts we call youngsters, like team US did.

 

[Kalasch]

Every Russian/FAN who follows hockey knew with this Defence (still the best which Russia had to offer +/- some Players maybe) u cant win against a team with good forwards.
Russia had LUCK against Sweden and USA would they bring their better Squad russia would lose.

Nothing will change next Year the WC is in Russia, other teams will bring their youngsters and Russia their best, Russia wins and management is happy till others bring again their better team

It doesn't matter who trains dis guys is it a swedish/canadian/russian Trainer, Russia need better Defense Players.

Should the russians stay till the end?
If u cant win u should be a better loser. It's the opinion from most russians that they all should stand there and wait till its completely over.

 

[Garl]

Every Russian/FAN who follows hockey knew with this Defence (still the best which Russia had to offer +/- some Players maybe) u cant win against a team with good forwards.
Russia had LUCK against Sweden and USA would they bring their better Squad russia would lose.

Nothing will change next Year the WC is in Russia, other teams will bring their youngsters and Russia their best, Russia wins and management is happy till others bring again their better team

It doesn't matter who trains dis guys is it a swedish/canadian/russian Trainer, Russia need better Defense Players.

Should the russians stay till the end?
If u cant win u should be a better loser. It's the opinion from most russians that they all should stand there and wait till its completely over.

Russians are bad losers nationwide. It has it perks, but still. Kudos to Ovy, Malkin and Tikhonov for professionalism.
You're absolutely right about SWE/USA games. Against SWE basically Russia was saved by a lucky goal after 3-3 tie, and against USA by Bob.

 

[Farnham4top6]

against sweden they were saved by mårts and enroth.

 

[Macman]

Russia lags well behind Canada, U.S. Sweden and Finland in the development of defencemen. That's its biggest problem. Coaching is also painfully steadfast in their refusal to adapt to anything that actually happens in a game.

 

[Kalasch]

Russians are bad losers nationwide. It has it perks, but still. Kudos to Ovy, Malkin and Tikhonov for professionalism.
You're absolutely right about SWE/USA games. Against SWE basically Russia was saved by a lucky goal after 3-3 tie, and against USA by Bob.

I think u can't generalize that all russians bad losers. This Year Hockey Team? Yes indeed very bad Losers but not all Russians are like them.
The majority of russian Fans say they should have stayed till the end.

 

[RobertR]

Their defense is bad, but isn't it part of the problem, also that in the big games they lack scoring?

When was the last time, Russia`s offensive leaders had a good steady tournament? (lets not count those past Olympics WC`s when there was couple of B-C teams competing)

I mean, it can be that defense is also hurting offense.

There is pretty much zero elite Offensive-Dmans for Russia. And the other ones are not defensive studs either, so they are spending too much time in their own zone, and even when they break out, there is no one who can make a great first pass.

It was discussed a lot about couches.

Znarok is a great club-team coach. He can pick his own players. Train them for months.

They are often not a stars, but they have a character and are willing to die on the ice.

He also has his own training camp method, so players can out-run pretty much everyone later on, in the season.

You can't do that in NT team. Yeah, you can pick the players, but how can you not pick Half-injured Malkin, the line who tore it in KHL regular season and KHL playoffs. I don't think selecting a players is his own choice only in NT team.

I can be wrong.

 

[JackSlater]

Russia has been terrible at producing defencemen for a long time. Their goaltending is good, and the forwards are good. I like their mentality for tournaments and games. Just fix the defence. Losing in the final of the WC shouldn't prompt something like this though - the WC doesn't really indicate whether a country is strong or weak, considering the variable nature of player participation.

 

[ViD]

Gold last year, silver this year. Indeed what's wrong with Russia ? They obviously failed the gold medal game, but things like that happen from time to time. Can't take anything from Canadians though , they were very good.

 

[Cellee]

I thought the pre-game stare down from Russia showed a lot of passion.

I'm sure Team Canada was shaking in their skates.

 

[Garl]

I think u can't generalize that all russians bad losers. This Year Hockey Team? Yes indeed very bad Losers but not all Russians are like them.
The majority of russian Fans say they should have stayed till the end.

It's not an attack, just stating the national trait. Russians take losing very hard.

 

[Chuck Norris Trophy]

A Canadian or a Swedish Coach? I think they have to start to think different regarding the NT.

This will never ever happen. Never.

 

[jimstark]

This will never ever happen. Never.

Why ?

 

[Beau Knows]

Russian defense and coaching is almost always awful. This tournament isn't really all that meaningful in my opinion at telling us which nations are the best. The Olympics are obviously far better in that regard and Russia has not had good showings there. There are enough star forwards available for their best on best rosters to be a great team. But they never have the defenders or strategy to support them.

 

[Back in Black]

Time to go back to the grass roots level. A lot of Countries (including Canada) have done it.

 

[Kalasch]

Why ?

The reason is Tretjak who said that not a foreign will train the Russian Team.

The issue is not the Trainer it's the defense

 

[Frank the Tank]

The WHC are not the best barometer of the health of the Russian hockey system. If I were a fan of Team Russia, the recent Olympics performances are what would have me worried about the state of the program. As I stated in the other thread Russia's list of problems is numerous:

• they need to find a solution to their coaching woes
• develop a new generation of elite defensemen
• find more forwards with an elite two-way game like Datsyuk because when he retires that will leave a massive hole in their roster
• resolve the NHL-KHL rift between certain key players

Until this happens, I believe they will be outside the top-tier of hockey nations when the best-on-best tournaments are played.

 

[jimstark]

Their defense is bad, but isn't it part of the problem, also that in the big games they lack scoring?

When was the last time, Russia`s offensive leaders had a good steady tournament? (lets not count those past Olympics WC`s when there was couple of B-C teams competing)

I mean, it can be that defense is also hurting offense.

There is pretty much zero elite Offensive-Dmans for Russia. And the other ones are not defensive studs either, so they are spending too much time in their own zone, and even when they break out, there is no one who can make a great first pass.

It was discussed a lot about couches.

Znarok is a great club-team coach. He can pick his own players. Train them for months.

They are often not a stars, but they have a character and are willing to die on the ice.

He also has his own training camp method, so players can out-run pretty much everyone later on, in the season.

You can't do that in NT team. Yeah, you can pick the players, but how can you not pick Half-injured Malkin, the line who tore it in KHL regular season and KHL playoffs. I don't think selecting a players is his own choice only in NT team.

I can be wrong.

Thanks for you reply
I see you point and it is the thing with having character and willing to die on the ice Russia is sometimes lacking. Some guy said russia is their own worst enemy.
Having said that i think that Russia played very very good both last year and in 2012 where they played as a TEAM.
I will not use it as and exesu but watching Malkin was sometimes very painful and i was not sure if they should have played him regarding his injury. Pens fan was shocked when they heard he was leaving for this tournament i so was i after how he played with the Pens and the end of the season and in the playoff. His skating was at most 70 %.

But i do think we have good D men coming in Orlov, Zadorov and Nesterov. Good pucking moving D so i hope and think that Russia will kick back
Not to metioned Nicuskin and Kucherov and Kuztneskov

 

[Cursed Lemon]

The WHC are not the best barometer of the health of the Russian hockey system. If I were a fan of Team Russia, the recent Olympics performance is what would have me worried about the state of the program. As I stated in the other thread Russia's list of problems is numerous:

• they need to find a solution to their coaching woes
• develop a new generation of elite defensemen
• find more forwards with an elite two-way game like Datsyuk because when he retires that will leave a massive hole in their roster
• resolve the NHL-KHL rift between certain key players

Until this happens, I believe they will be outside the top-tier of hockey nations when the best-on-best tournaments are played.

Didn't Russia essentially send its Olympic squad to the WHC this year, with only Datsyuk being the major missing piece?

 

[Yakushev72]

It's the disrespect post-game that I can't wrap my head around. Win or loss - act like men.

Everybody agrees that this was a classless move, apparently orchestrated by Kovalchuk, who has the maturity of a little child. Let's drop it now!

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

I have no issue with Russia leaving the ice, it doesn't affect Canada in any way and makes the Russian program look bad for themselves. I just read on twitter that there will be some sort of punishment dished out. For what it's worth i also read ovechkin tried to do what he could to keep his teammates from leaving.

 

[Frank the Tank]

I have no issue with Russia leaving the ice, it doesn't affect Canada in any way and makes the Russian program look bad for themselves. I just read on twitter that there will be some sort of punishment dished out. For what it's worth i also read ovechkin tried to do what he could to keep his teammates from leaving.

Ovechkin and Malkin get it. They have battled alongside and against all of those Canadian players this past decade, and mutual respect has been earned. On the other hand, this isn't the first time Kovalchuk took his ball and went home. It would have been well-deserved if Crosby had pointed the way to the dressing rooms.

 

[Cellee]

Ovechkin and Malkin get it. They have battled alongside and against all of those Canadian players this past decade, and mutual respect has been earned. On the other hand, this isn't the first time Kovalchuk took his ball and went home. It would have been well-deserved if Crosby had pointed the way to the dressing rooms.

Too bad we couldn't do a ridiculous celebration on an empty net goal.

Kovalchuk is trash.