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Whats Wrong with Connor Mcdavid this Season Lowest PPG and Gpg Output in 7 8 Years for Him

Hank Plank said:
Now you're starting to get it.
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Again…..how did he carry that team?
He didn’t even get one first place vote for the Conn Smythe

So for you Kadri>Mcdavid?

Over 1300 players have won the cup are they all better or carried their teams?
 
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Missed another practice today due to "maintenance." Zero faith that he'll remain healthy for 4 playoff rounds.
 
Kamus said:
The question was what did he carry his team to?

MacKinnon was third in points on his own team, outscored and outplayed by a dman and his own winger…6th in points for all players…..
So again, what did he carry his team to? We know the team he played on won the cup….
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He was much better than Rantanen who compiled points but didn't have a huge impact that year
 
22Brad Park said:
Got married :sarcasm:
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No, that caused this. Guy looks like he’s pushing his mid 40s now

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Nothing is wrong with him. He is scoring right at his career average and if you take into account the Canada only season in 20-21 and 22-23 where the PP was insane as well as his first two seasons where everything was lower, he is is right at his average. This is what he is.. Please tell me where I am wrong.

He is actually scoring at a higher ES pace this season than his insane 22-23 season. The PP is just nowhere near as good now.

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bobholly39 said:
Connor McDavid seems to be struggling a lot this season to stand out from a scoring perspective. He's certainly not playing "bad", as he is still one of the league leaders, but he no longer seems to stand out as the league's best offensive player, but rather more as part of the pack.

League leaders as of this posting:

MacKinnon 90 points
Draisaitl 88 points
Kucherov 86 points
McDavid 74 points

That's a big gap from the top 3.

I expected he might come roaring back after the 4 nations and go on a tear to end the year, but so far in 4 games he has 3 assists, and is a -7, in 4 straight losses for the Oilers.

McDavid's point per game right now is 1.4. Or, a pace of ~115 points in 82 games. That's his lowest output by far in 7 years

SeasonPPGPace over 82 games
2018-191.49122
2019-201.52124
2020-211.88154
2021-221.54126
2022-231.87153
2023-241.74142
2024-251.40115


If you look at goals scored, it doesn't get much better. He is also at his lowest goals per game over the last 8 years this time (tied with last year)

SeasonGPGPace over 82 games
2017-180.5041
2018-190.5343
2019-200.5344
2020-210.5948
2021-220.5545
2022-230.7864
2023-240.4235
2024-250.4235


This isn't meant to be a "let's hate on McDavid" thread, I'm usually one of the ones singing his praises, as I did in playoffs last year. But I'm genuinely surprised to see him scoring so little this year. So what's going on? Is he injured? Is he just having an off-year? Is he already starting to slow down/decline slightly, where his days at the very top of league are no longer the expectation?

Do you see him bouncing back in-year, and still making a race for the Ross, or close? Do you see him coming back and lapping the field again next season?

Curious to hear people's opinions.
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GPG are down this year, should we era adjust and see how many more points that gives McDavid this year?
 
Strangle said:
GPG are down this year, should we era adjust and see how many more points that gives McDavid this year?
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There are less PPs being called this year so the scoring level for all players who get the most PP time are down. One player is going to have over 40 PP points this year while there were 7 players last year.

What is most telling for McDavid is his placement in the league - 4th in points and 4th in PPG. Mac, Kucherov and Draisaitl are having really good seasons but not like last season. McDavid this season would be losing to prime OV, Malkin and Crosby.
 
Doesn't really help that he really had no off-season due to playing until late June and getting married.

Also as Daver mentioned about he still 4th in the league with an impressive 1.43ppg
 
joestevens29 said:
Doesn't really help that he really had no off-season due to playing until late June and getting married.

Also as Daver mentioned about he still 4th in the league with an impressive 1.43ppg
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lol "getting married". Really?

daver said:
There are less PPs being called this year so the scoring level for all players who get the most PP time are down. One player is going to have over 40 PP points this year while there were 7 players last year.

What is most telling for McDavid is his placement in the league - 4th in points and 4th in PPG. Mac, Kucherov and Draisaitl are having really good seasons but not like last season. McDavid this season would be losing to prime OV, Malkin and Crosby.
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So tell me McDavid depends on the PP without saying it directly...

20-21 (Canada only season)
League Average: 2.89
Oilers: 3.11
McDavid PPP/GP: .66

21-22
League Average: 2.89
Oilers: 2.87
McDavid PPP/GP: .55

22-23
League Average: 3.07
Oilers: 3.35
McDavid PPP/GP: .87

23-24
League Average: 3.02
Oilers: 2.96
McDavid PPP/GP: .58

24-25
League Average: 2.72
Oilers: 2.46
McDavid PPP/GP: .47

5 year average
League Average: 2.92
Oilers: 2.95
McDavid PPP/GP: .62
 
landy said:
lol "getting married". Really?


So tell me McDavid depends on the PP without saying it directly...

20-21 (Canada only season)
League Average: 2.89
Oilers: 3.11
McDavid PPP/GP: .66

21-22
League Average: 2.89
Oilers: 2.87
McDavid PPP/GP: .55

22-23
League Average: 3.07
Oilers: 3.35
McDavid PPP/GP: .87

23-24
League Average: 3.02
Oilers: 2.96
McDavid PPP/GP: .58

24-25
League Average: 2.72
Oilers: 2.46
McDavid PPP/GP: .47

5 year average
League Average: 2.92
Oilers: 2.95
McDavid PPP/GP: .62
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What you don't think prep for a wedding, the wedding itself and the ensuing honeymoon take time away from an already shortened summer?
 
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joestevens29 said:
What you don't think prep for a wedding, the wedding itself and the ensuing honeymoon take time away from an already shortened summer?
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Not a team player. Has Crosby ever jammed up his teammates by getting married in the offseason like that?
 
landy said:
lol "getting married". Really?


So tell me McDavid depends on the PP without saying it directly...

20-21 (Canada only season)
League Average: 2.89
Oilers: 3.11
McDavid PPP/GP: .66

21-22
League Average: 2.89
Oilers: 2.87
McDavid PPP/GP: .55

22-23
League Average: 3.07
Oilers: 3.35
McDavid PPP/GP: .87

23-24
League Average: 3.02
Oilers: 2.96
McDavid PPP/GP: .58

24-25
League Average: 2.72
Oilers: 2.46
McDavid PPP/GP: .47

5 year average
League Average: 2.92
Oilers: 2.95
McDavid PPP/GP: .62
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I wouldn't explain his relative drop in scoring this season to a drop in PPs being called and I wouldn't say that he has relied on PP scoring anymore than Mac or Kucherov over the years.

His ES scoring is down this year.
 
daver said:
I wouldn't explain his relative drop in scoring this season to a drop in PPs being called and I wouldn't say that he has relied on PP scoring anymore than Mac or Kucherov over the years.

His ES scoring is down this year.
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Tell me more...

His EVP/GP this season is actually higher than his 153 pt 22-23 season. He is only .03 below his average so again, to me that says this is his normal.

To me it looks like everyone is comparing each season to 22-23 in which his PP numbers were absurd. Pure numbers, that season is the outlier, where the rest are more consistent. Obviously Im not saying he is bad by any means, but to me he is a consistent 120-130 pt player and Kuch/MacKinnon have been on par with him for a half decade now and the consensus "McDavid is #1" is not only statistically incorrect, but the eye test with his flashiness is what is swaying public opinion.

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Now feels like a great time to once again ask - what happens to this guy's legacy if he never wins a cup? monstrous numbers for what?
 
landy said:
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His EVP/GP this season is actually higher than his 153 pt 22-23 season. He is only .03 below his average so again, to me that says this is his normal.

To me it looks like everyone is comparing each season to 22-23 in which his PP numbers were absurd. Pure numbers, that season is the outlier, where the rest are more consistent. Obviously Im not saying he is bad by any means, but to me he is a consistent 120-130 pt player and Kuch/MacKinnon have been on par with him for a half decade now and the consensus "McDavid is #1" is not only statistically incorrect, but the eye test with his flashiness is what is swaying public opinion.
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At the end of the day its about getting the puck in the net so who cares if its on the PP or not. The common comment is that players who rely on PPs don't as well in the playoffs when less PPs are called.

He has been the best ES scorer in the playoffs out of him, Kucherov and MacKinnon, especially Kucherov who he almost doubles in ES PPG since 2018. And he was winning Rosses in '17 and '18 on the strength of his ES scorer.

MacKinnon is an elite ES scorer too but is not nearly as effective on the PP before this season.

McDavid has earned his #1 player rating, IMO, but perhaps he will lose it after this season.
 
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At the end of the day its about getting the puck in the net so who cares if its on the PP or not. The common comment is that players who rely on PPs don't as well in the playoffs when less PPs are called.

He has been the best ES scorer in the playoffs out of him, Kucherov and MacKinnon, especially Kucherov who he almost doubles in ES PPG since 2018. And he was winning Rosses in '17 and '18 on the strength of his ES scorer.

MacKinnon is an elite ES scorer too but is not nearly as effective on the PP before this season.

McDavid has earned his #1 player rating, IMO, but perhaps he will lose it after this season.
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All truths. My point goes back to the premise of this thread title is that nothing is wrong. The Oilers are drawing less penalties and/or teams are defending the Oilers PP better this season. He is actually up ESP/Gp this season compared to some seasons.

I'd argue since 2019, all of Mac, Kuch, and McD are interchangeable with each taking turns and the slam dunk #1 McDavid opinion is based on eye test. Personally, I give the edge to Cup wins.

Avs 2022 best team we've seen in 40 years > Lightning * covid Cups > obviously losing Oilers
 
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landy said:
All truths. My point goes back to the premise of this thread title is that nothing is wrong. The Oilers are drawing less penalties and/or teams are defending the Oilers PP better this season. He is actually up ESP/Gp this season compared to some seasons.

I'd argue since 2019, all of Mac, Kuch, and McD are interchangeable with each taking turns and the slam dunk #1 McDavid opinion is based on eye test. Personally, I give the edge to Cup wins.
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Since 18/19:

McDavid - 816 points, 1.64 PPG
Kucherov - 635 points,1.50 PPG
MacKinnon - 701 points, 1.44 PPG

Why not include 17/18 when their PPGs were even closer than this? Is it because that was the year McDavid had the most ES points in over 20 years?

How about the playoffs since 18/19?

McDavid - 63 ES points in 60 games
MacKinnon - 60 ES points in 75 games
Kucherov - 58 ES points in 85 games

Painting McDavid as being reliant on the PP is incorrect IMO. His numbers this year reflect him not playing as well overall as the last two years.
 
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