What's the max you'd give to Evans?

[Lafleurs Guy]

Jake Evans is now one goal behind Nick Suzuki.

 

[HabsCowboysOwn]

Value is sky high, will never be worth more than right now. Trade him and let another team overpay him next summer.

 

[LaP]

You just don't seem to be able to process what I am saying.

We are in a great cap situation for the net 5 years with our entire core already in the system and most of them already signed to great long term contracts. We are already going to be shedding a ton of salary cap space and have no where else to spend it other than depth spots........it is free money until all of our young long term signees start coming off of their contracts. Spending an extra 2 million in total to keep Armia and Evans is peanuts during this time and people just can't seem to parse this reality from the cookie cutter truisms that they continue to try and implement despite the reality that renders them meaningless.

It might be peanuts now but it might not be in 3 years when you'll have to resign Hutson and Demidov after their ELC. Also resigning Armia doesn't make any sense imo. Armia will be 32 next season and players like him usually hit a wall before turning 35. Beck will be in his 2nd AHL season next year and Kapanen will have 1 year of SHL experience and two years of Liga. If you sign Evans with Anderson, Gallagher, Heineman and Newhook (Demidov will push him down) that leaves just one spot free in the lineup. A contract to Armia would need to be one year and he wont sign that.

 

[WinterLion]

Will we get more for Evans at the TDL than we did for Lekonen?

 

[ZUKI]

I really appreciate the game of Evans. He's an intelligent and skilled player. Evans said that he would like to stay and re-sign here, and his performances are valuable for us. He puts Hughes in a difficult position. ; His value is very high right now, so the return in a deal could be greater than ever, but he's surfing on a + 30% of Goals per shutting...it won't last for a long time.

I would keep him with the team, instead of getting another draft selection.

 

[Gravity]

Will we get more for Evans at the TDL than we did for Lekonen?

So long as it's not with Colorado, yes.

 

[Miller Time]

Will we get more for Evans at the TDL than we did for Lekonen?

Whatever we do get, 2-3 years later the same posters scoffing at paying what it will cost to extend him will be complaining that we traded him and claim it was obvious we should've kept him lol

 

[Victoire HuGo]

Our hope is that Hughes can convince him to take a paycut like some of our other players have because he's gonna cost a lot...

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

It might be peanuts now but it might not be in 3 years when you'll have to resign Hutson and Demidov after their ELC. Also resigning Armia doesn't make any sense imo. Armia will be 32 next season and players like him usually hit a wall before turning 35. Beck will be in his 2nd AHL season next year and Kapanen will have 1 year of SHL experience and two years of Liga. If you sign Evans with Anderson, Gallagher, Heineman and Newhook (Demidov will push him down) that leaves just one spot free in the lineup. A contract to Armia would need to be one year and he wont sign that.

I think 3 years for Armia is fine and like I said, there is tons of cap space being freed up this year and shortly after anyways. The benefit to having your top players on great contracts is you can spend on superior depth players.....where else would you spend the money??? Demidov already will have a top six spot available and the rest of them will need to beat out the incumbent, who we then trade.

The only real issue is making sure that we don't commit so much money to depth players when our current young core are coming off of their 7 year deals. other than that there is no harm in spending a 2-3 million more to keep both of Evans and Armia.....that is about 2 million less than we are going to save on losing Petry and Allen's buyout this summer. We can actually be in a better cap situation after signing them then we are currently in. I expect Hughes to also sign Hutson and Demidov to team friendly deals as well so there is nothing at all to worry about.

I just think people are too stuck in the rut of linear thinking in this situation and acting like it is a disaster if we pay these players market value just because they are 3rd liners. The only way that Kent should consider letting them walk is if he has the opportunity to bring in a really good RHD and even then he should still do his best to try and bring them back.

 

[Hins77]

Will we get more for Evans at the TDL than we did for Lekonen?

No. Lekhonen signed 4,5. For 5 years beginning at 27 years old. Jake Evans is gonna be 29 years old. I hope it's going to be like 3,8 for 4 years. Something around that

 

[Deus ex machina]

I think 3 years for Armia is fine and like I said, there is tons of cap space being freed up this year and shortly after anyways. The benefit to having your top players on great contracts is you can spend on superior depth players.....where else would you spend the money??? Demidov already will have a top six spot available and the rest of them will need to beat out the incumbent, who we then trade.

The only real issue is making sure that we don't commit so much money to depth players when our current young core are coming off of their 7 year deals. other than that there is no harm in spending a 2-3 million more to keep both of Evans and Armia.....that is about 2 million less than we are going to save on losing Petry and Allen's buyout this summer. We can actually be in a better cap situation after signing them then we are currently in. I expect Hughes to also sign Hutson and Demidov to team friendly deals as well so there is nothing at all to worry about.

I just think people are too stuck in the rut of linear thinking in this situation and acting like it is a disaster if we pay these players market value just because they are 3rd liners. The only way that Kent should consider letting them walk is if he has the opportunity to bring in a really good RHD and even then he should still do his best to try and bring them back.

While i'm not against bringing back Evans and Armia, i think the priority should definitely be in getting a top 4 RHD.

Don't forget the 11M pay increase to Slaf and Ghule kicking in next season.
That will eat a good chunk of that freed money.

I don't think we can assume team friendly deals for Hutson and Demidov either.
Other young players will need pay raises too in the coming years.

They should be careful with how they spend their money.

 

[dcyhabs]

I really appreciate the game of Evans. He's an intelligent and skilled player. Evans said that he would like to stay and re-sign here, and his performances are valuable for us. He puts Hughes in a difficult position. ; His value is very high right now, so the return in a deal could be greater than ever, but he's surfing on a + 30% of Goals per shutting...it won't last for a long time.

I would keep him with the team, instead of getting another draft selection.

If they can get an equivalent or better younger player, that is if they are offered a true overpayment, then fine. It would take some luck to get a good offer. Most playoff teams would be offering secondary prospects and late first draft picks. Both are good to have but neither is likely to result in a player who is better than Evans, even long term. The habs aren't capped out, at least not yet, so they aren't under any pressure. If some contender thinks Evans is the piece they need for a cup it could be interesting, but what are the chances?

If Evans wants to stay they should keep him barring surprising offers.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

Alternative idea:

If Evans is willing to sign 8 years at 2.75M, do you do it? Structure year 6-8 to work out for the team if he gets bought out. You can even try to do what CAR did with Jarvis and Slavin. 2.75M in 5 years will be the price of an average 4th liner anyway.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Will we get more for Evans at the TDL than we did for Lekonen?

He should get more, Evans plays a more important position and is producing at a higher rate offensively than Lehkonen did while in Montreal before having his point totals inflated by playing with Mackinnon. He's been dominant on the PK, is over 50% in his career in faceoffs and can be moved up and down the lineup while chipping in offensively on any line.

 

[Deebs]

Alternative idea:

If Evans is willing to sign 8 years at 2.75M, do you do it? Structure year 6-8 to work out for the team if he gets bought out. You can even try to do what CAR did with Jarvis and Slavin. 2.75M in 5 years will be the price of an average 4th liner anyway.

Absolutely not. There is no reason to willingly handcuff the franchise like this.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

Absolutely not. There is no reason to willingly handcuff the franchise like this.

How would that handcuff the franchise? Was NSH handcuff by the Jarnkrok contract? Is TB handcuffed by Paul contract?

It'd be one thing if Evans was 32 but he's still young enough.

LTIR, low AAV, not a ton of risk other than roster spot commitment

 

[26Mats]

If they can get an equivalent or better younger player, that is if they are offered a true overpayment, then fine. It would take some luck to get a good offer. Most playoff teams would be offering secondary prospects and late first draft picks. Both are good to have but neither is likely to result in a player who is better than Evans, even long term. The habs aren't capped out, at least not yet, so they aren't under any pressure. If some contender thinks Evans is the piece they need for a cup it could be interesting, but what are the chances?

If Evans wants to stay they should keep him barring surprising offers.

The cap hit and term are also concerned MB s. If he keeps up this pace, I could see him getting 4M or 4.5M AAV. To me if I knew he could keep up this production, that's fine. But he hasn't done it before, although he's been limited to a 4th line role in the past.

I hope we get a 1st for him. And then I'd be open to signing him in the summer.

 

[sampollock]

at this rate... habs need to sign him but I have a gut feeling Evans will want 4.5/5
for a 4th line centre.

 

[Deebs]

How would that handcuff the franchise? Was NSH handcuff by the Jarnkrok contract? Is TB handcuffed by Paul contract?

It'd be one thing if Evans was 32 but he's still young enough.

LTIR, low AAV, not a ton of risk other than roster spot commitment

Jake is a solid 3rd/4th liner but there is no need to give this type of player a 8 year contract at this stage of his career. He's on a heater right now and I know some are all warm and fuzzy, but emotion needs to be taken out of it.

He'll be 29 when your proposed deal kicks in and we'll have him on the books until he's 37....how does that make sense for our team moving forward? I'd rather pay him more over a shorter period of time and even then 3 years is the max I'd go....maybe 4

 

[yianik]

Danault got $5.5M and Evans is nowhere near him. Eller at $3.5M is pretty bang on in my view. I likely could go $4M because of our weakness at C right now and for the next year or two. Term of 4 years.

He is hard to walk away from given our C situation and with how well he is playing. But remember:
- we have a soft spot for lunch pail guys exceeding expectations, and he was a 7th round pick
- he has never done this before and maybe it's because of opportunity, or he just got married and it's a contract year, and will never be repeated ( shooting over 26% ? )
- Dvo gets $4.5M, think about it going like that
- we likely can get a late 1st which we can hopefully package for a good asset

So 4 years between $12M -$14M. If Hughes draws the line in the sand there I am good with it

 

[Frankenheimer]

Glad to see posters realizing that 3million range contract is not at all realistic. What should the overall budget be for bottom 6? Is there an avg for contending teams? Cause right now our bottom 6 is very effective and they are only becoming more cohesive.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

Glad to see posters realizing that 3million range contract is not at all realistic. What should the overall budget be for bottom 6? Is there an avg for contending teams? Cause right now our bottom 6 is very effective and they are only becoming more cohesive.

Depends on your team approach, top 4 core is much cheaper than TOR.

 

[Naslund]

If the Habs are in the playoffs or within reach on March 7, none of the vets/UFAs-to-be will be traded. This would brake the trust between players and management, and you don't do that (see exhibit #1, the New York Rangers). If they are not, then all of Evans, Armia, Savard, Dvorak will be gone for the highest price.

The only player I would bring back this summer is Armia on a two-year deal (I could even do 3 years if force to it). I don't think he can easily be replaced internally or externally. We need his PK time, and he can insulate Beck for a year or two while he adjusts to the NHL.

Demidov replaces Newhook, Newhook replaces Dvorak, Beck replaces Evans.
Armia is re-signed. Then, if the rumors of Ehlers of being interested in signing in Montreal are true, you go for it.

Your lines next year then become:
Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Caufield
Ehlers-Dach-Laine
Demidov-Newhook-Anderson
Heineman-Beck-Armia
Gallagher

- Demidov can move to the first line and replace Slafkovsky when ready or if needed.
- Hage eventually replaces Anderson, but he can also replace Dach or Newhook at center if needed.
- Unfortunately, no space for Roy or Mesar, so they are traded unless we have major player injuries, a guy's game faltered, or salary demands (e.g., Laine) are outrageous.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Evans signs an extension 2.5x4 down the stretch and becomes the people’s champ that Price should’ve been until he screwed us

 

[Scriptor]

I’ve heard Connor Bedard was generational. Bedard and Evans both have 9 goals this season. What does that make Evans?

Multi-generationnal?