WJC: What's right with USA?

[yessir29292]

Care to tell people how US beat Canada in '13 and '21 when it was close to best on best? US I believe had zero players with NHL appearances in '13 while Canada
had Nugent-Hopkins and Schiefele with NHL experience.

Even 2004 was close enough to even and US won.

Never fails Canadians whine when they lose.

Ryan Murray, Kirby Dach, Laf?

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

The US development program has been emphasizing speed and skill for a long, long time.

As player participation rates in the US have increased over that same time period, it was only a matter of time before they'd get to the point where they'd send teams where every guy on the roster was a very good player.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

There’s nothing better than Canadian copium.

As an American, I don't think he's wrong. Put the eligible kids currently on NHL rosters and it's a very different result.

 

[Crow]

I will rarely watch non best on best hockey, I simply could care less… Why would I watch a u20 tournament when the best two players aren’t in it?

It’s at least 4 IMO when you count Russians.

 

[WarriorofTime]

College hockey is not a money sport. Carle will take a job that pays him 10 times what he is making now...

Looks like David Carle makes about $750K at Denver. About half of NHL coaches are over $2 million with the highest around $5 million. Carle is certainly in enough demand to command a big offer. Denver won't be able to match close to what NHL teams will be willing to pay.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Ryan Murray, Kirby Dach,

You mean guys that were hurt? Ryan Murray didn't even play in the NHL in 2012-13, but yeah I'm sure he would have been able to stop the Canadians from getting dominated by the US.

Laf?

US had Jack Hughes available in 2021. Hughes >> Laf lol

 

[WarriorofTime]

How many U20 players does Canada have playing in the NHL currently?

3 - Benson, Bedard, Celebrini.

Luchanko and Ritchie got in games before being sent back down prior to the ELC Slide expiring.

USA has 1 - Smith.

And those are the only four players that are eligible age-wise for the WJC that are in the NHL.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Nothing more to it than it was a good year for USA, and down year for CAN due to having our best players in the NHL. CAN roster will be much stronger next year, and USA will be much worse.

Look, in '13 and '21 each country had for the most part their countries best players available and US beat Canada and won Gold. In '13 most people felt Canada was better and would win but they didn't. '21 was the same, all you heard was how unbeatable the Canadians were, but US won again.

Even going back to '04 Canada though admittedly missing Burns, Bergeron and Staal were considered a huge favorite. US beat them while having players such as Backes, Callahan and Byfuglien not selected with decent enough resumes.

 

[wint12]

It's to be expected. I mean, despite how shit the last two tourneys have been for Canada, they did win two golds back to back just prior to that, one with that buffoon Cameron behind the bench, no less. These things go in cycles, but I hope that we get a match between both nations at top strength in the near future. Love this rivalry.

The US is at a level now that if Canada doesn't take seriously getting the best players and the best coach, winning gold will be a 50-50 proposition at best.

 

[MNRube]

I’m not even Canadian LMAO

Leonard was flopping almost every time someone touched him, I’m sorry your bias doesn’t allow you to see this

Also good job ignoring the first two points in my comment and just crying about the part you didn’t like

Don’t have to be Canadian for it to be BS. You are attempting to discredit the U.S. it was a backhanded compliment. Leonard is dramatic, but he was the tournament MVP.


10+ times a game is ridiculous. US was the best team and won because they had the best players

 

[Breakers]

Coaching

You’d be hard pressed to find a coach who is accomplishing more currently that isn’t an NHL coach

His resume over the last 3 years is insane

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Don’t have to be Canadian for it to be BS. You are attempting to discredit the U.S. it was a backhanded compliment. Leonard is dramatic, but he was the tournament MVP.


10+ times a game is ridiculous. US was the best team and won because they had the best players

I literally said they won because they were well coached and took the best players lmfao holy moly

They still dive an embarrassing amount though

 

[Czechboy]

It is an absolutely beautiful program and doing great things. If they ever get a few more states to love hockey, everyone is in trouble. I'd recomment Wyoming and Montana to start. Nebraska and Iowa next. Then go south and hit Oklahoma!

 

[MNRube]

I literally said they won because they were well coached and HAD the best players lmfao holy moly

They still dive an embarrassing amount though

Fixed that for you.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Fixed that for you.

????

 

[JungleBeat]

A lot more ppl in the US and they’re rich.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Your entire post is pointless as you are about to become our 51st state in a few weeks anyway...

Territory. Like Guam, but with igloos and poutine.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Great coaching to start.
And they have enough talent now to never be out of a game.

Down by 2 goals late in the 2nd? Those players never believed they would lose.

 

[MNRube]

A lot more ppl in the US and they’re rich.

Do they have more registered skaters than Canada? Even in MN, by far the biggest producer of NHLers, it’s still a niche sport. Genuinely curious

 

[westc2]

Hot take: I think team USA still would have won gold even if Canada had Bedard and Celebrini. They seemed to be rolling on all cylinders.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Do they have more registered skaters than Canada? Even in MN, by far the biggest producer of NHLers, it’s still a niche sport. Genuinely curious

I think the US overtook them in 22-23. It's close though, both at 500k+.

Ice hockey players per country worldwide 2023 | Statista

In the 2022/23 season, the United States had the most registered ice hockey players out of any country worldwide.

www.statista.com

 

[MNRube]

Hot take: I think team USA still would have won gold even if Canada had Bedard and Celebrini. They seemed to be rolling on all cylinders.

It would’ve been close. US would get Smith, and reunite him with GP & RL to form what would’ve been the best line in the tournament. Canada lacks goalies and chemistry and discipline. It’s not like lost in the semis by a goal. They were awful and lost to Latvia and barely beat Germany.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I think the US overtook them in 22-23. It's close though, both at 500k+.

Ice hockey players per country worldwide 2023 | Statista

In the 2022/23 season, the United States had the most registered ice hockey players out of any country worldwide.

www.statista.com

I think Canada still has more male registered players which will have more relevance for these purposes.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

I think Canada still has more male registered players which will have more relevance for these purposes.

Yea not sure what the breakdown is by gender. But I doubt it moves the needle too much. I imagine the amount of female registered players is a small fraction of the total.

 

[57special]

Looks like David Carle makes about $750K at Denver. About half of NHL coaches are over $2 million with the highest around $5 million. Carle is certainly in enough demand to command a big offer. Denver won't be able to match close to what NHL teams will be willing to pay.

He makes 750K? Wow... hell of a lot for a sport that doesn't make money.