What's a fair CAP HIT for Matthews over the next 5 years?

[Akrapovince]

MacK signed his contract extension just last year (they were probably expecting the Cap bump to happen at the end of this year), and he is the better player.

Makes no sense for Matthews to get more.

I understand the argument but Mack didn’t sign what he is worth.

McDavid is worth the maximum the cap allows a player to be paid, his contract should not be a measuring stick when considering “fairly paid”.

Every contract however is based off of McDavid though, because regardless of how good MacKinnon or anyone else is, how is it justifiable to be paid millions above McDavid?

I’m not sure if the original poster wants what he’s worth in a vacuum, what he’s worth compared to other players or what he’s worth compared to other players if they were paid fairly.

In a vacuum as an arguable top five forward in the league, he should be paid just under maximum allowed.

Compared to what other players have signed including underpayments from McDavid, MacKinnon, etc he should be around 12.6 to 13. Or you can go to an extreme and take Draisatl’s cap percentage when he signed and say Matthews should not take a dollar more.

If everyone in the NHL was signed to what they were worth, he would be again under the max behind McDavid and MacKinnon, Draisatl etc.

 

[SensontheRush]

I understand the argument but Mack didn’t sign what he is worth.

McDavid is worth the maximum the cap allows a player to be paid, his contract should not be a measuring stick when considering “fairly paid”.

Every contract however is based off of McDavid though, because regardless of how good MacKinnon or anyone else is, how is it justifiable to be paid millions above McDavid?

I’m not sure if the original poster wants what he’s worth in a vacuum, what he’s worth compared to other players or what he’s worth compared to other players if they were paid fairly.

In a vacuum as an arguable top five forward in the league, he should be paid just under maximum allowed.

Compared to what other players have signed including underpayments from McDavid, MacKinnon, etc he should be around 12.6 to 13. Or you can go to an extreme and take Draisatl’s cap percentage when he signed and say Matthews should not take a dollar more.

If everyone in the NHL was signed to what they were worth, he would be again under the max behind McDavid and MacKinnon, Draisatl etc.

MacKinnon's contract is still steep, yet reasonable. Draisaitl's is, of course, a steal, so it should be considered an outlier. But, I mean, your comment reads like you agree with me, at least with the outcome of my interpretation.

 

[TBF1972]

Can you add the year where they signed their contracts to the OP?

The cap is expected to go up.

I don't think McDavid would re-sign for the same amount as he's currently being paid.

mcdavid has substantially got better. can you say the same thing about matthews?

 

[Sens9292]

NM just signed long term after winning his team the Cup, in no way does Matthews deserve to make more in less term. Leafs are going to hurt any chances of winning if they give in on salary and term

 

[tarheelhockey]

McDavid’s contract was signed 5 years ago and expires in 2026.

There’s nothing wrong with Matthews being paid more for the next 3 years, given that McDavid would then surpass him again. That’s how this market works.

MacKinnon is the real comparable here. He’s at $12.6, so I would expect that Matthews would draw slightly higher than that if he were to go to market.

 

[ijuka]

Fair would be over 12.6mil of course.

Just because McDavid is paid only 12.5mil doesn't mean he's not grossly underpaid.

NM just signed long term after winning his team the Cup, in no way does Matthews deserve to make more in less term. Leafs are going to hurt any chances of winning if they give in on salary and term

MacKinnon didn't "win his team the cup". His team won the cup with him.

 

[Haatley]

Tkachuk? LMFAO get out of here.

The guy with 2 100 point seasons who just led his team to the final?

Who is, over his career, one of the best possession players in the league?

What makes Matthews as good as him?

 

[Toby91ca]

MacKinnon's contract is still steep, yet reasonable. Draisaitl's is, of course, a steal, so it should be considered an outlier. But, I mean, your comment reads like you agree with me, at least with the outcome of my interpretation.

Draisaitl’s contract was signed after the 2016/17 season, at that point in his career, he was a very good player, but clearly hadn’t established what Matthews has at this point in his career.

 

[Toby91ca]

McDavid’s contract was signed 5 years ago and expires in 2026.

There’s nothing wrong with Matthews being paid more for the next 3 years, given that McDavid would then surpass him again. That’s how this market works.

MacKinnon is the real comparable here. He’s at $12.6, so I would expect that Matthews would draw slightly higher than that if he were to go to market.

MacKinnon closest comparable probably, but still 1 year ago…so market would be that much higher now.

 

[MasterofGrond]

Mcdavid (and all stars) are heavily underpaid relative to their worth. Matthews is worth setting a new highest salary in the league, which wouldn’t be a problem if teams didn’t spend so much time overpaying trash and middling players.

 

[Maplebeasts]

The guy with 2 100 point seasons who just led his team to the final?

Who is, over his career, one of the best possession players in the league?

What makes Matthews as good as him?

He’s a Centre with a Hart, Ted Lindsay, back to back Rocket Richard trophies who has been the superior player every season of their careers except last season. Thinking Tkachuk with his zero individual hardware or cups is better is frankly ridiculous and a textbook example of recency bias.

 

[tarheelhockey]

MacKinnon closest comparable probably, but still 1 year ago…so market would be that much higher now.

Agreed, I didn’t finish the thought but that’s what I was trying to say with the last few words of that post.

 

[Haatley]

He’s a Centre with a Hart, Ted Lindsay, back to back Rocket Richard trophies who has been the superior player every season of their careers except last season. Thinking Tkachuk with his zero individual hardware or cups is better is frankly ridiculous and a textbook example of recency bias.

He's a goalscorer who doesn't play defence well who won awards strictly based on goal scoring. Tkachuk is the better overall player, better defensively, back to back 100 point seasons on completely different teams.

What "individual hardware" did Auston get last season?

 

[Maplebeasts]

He's a goalscorer who doesn't play defence well who won awards strictly based on goal scoring. Tkachuk is the better overall player, better defensively, back to back 100 point seasons on completely different teams.

What "individual hardware" did Auston get last season?

Dude you are beyond help. He finished top 10 in selke voting in 2022 and has been considered well above average defensively for the better part of 3 seasons. Quit while you’re behind.

 

[Haatley]

Dude you are beyond help. He finished top 10 in selke voting in 2022 and has been considered well above average defensively for the better part of 3 seasons. Quit while you’re behind.

Oh. Selke. Yes. Definitely not a flawed voting system. He finished higher than Danault and Aho in Selke voting. Would you say he is better defensively than these 2 as well?

What exactly makes him above average defensively? Cause by most metrics he is not close.to Tkachuk.

 

[Sens9292]

Fair would be over 12.6mil of course.

Just because McDavid is paid only 12.5mil doesn't mean he's not grossly underpaid.


MacKinnon didn't "win his team the cup". His team won the cup with him.

I’d say he played an important part, something Matthews hasn’t come close to touching

Tkachuk? LMFAO get out of here.

One can easily argue he’s a better overall player than Matthews, stop acting like it’s not close LMFAO

 

[Maplebeasts]

I’d say he played an important part, something Matthews hasn’t come close to touching


One can easily argue he’s a better overall player than Matthews, stop acting like it’s not close LMFAO

It isn’t. Tkachuk has played better for one season. He was never on Matthews’ level beforehand.

 

[Sens9292]

It isn’t. Tkachuk has played better for one season. He was never on Matthews’ level beforehand.

That’s being completely bias. Tkachuk put up back to back 100 plus point seasons and led his team to the cup final in his first year joining a new team. Matthews level that you describe could be an outlier by comparable to other seasons

 

[Maplebeasts]

That’s being completely bias. Tkachuk put up back to back 100 plus point seasons and led his team to the cup final in his first year joining a new team. Matthews level that you describe could be an outlier by comparable to other seasons

Bob was the best Panther in the playoffs by a lot. They likely do not make it close to the finals without him putting up a .950+ save percentage in rounds 2 and 3. Tkachuk has zero hardware and has a lot weaker of a track record career wise. There is no way Matthews’ play over a 3+ season sample size is an outlier while Tkachuk’s last season isn’t.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Don't really see how he can justify more than what he's making now. Mackinnon (12.6) and Pastrnak (11.25) are 2 comparables that have signed over the last year. Matthews current caphit sits in the middle. Don't know why he should be paid any more, especially if we're comparing playoff performances.

 

[Sens9292]

Don't really see how he can justify more than what he's making now. Mackinnon (12.6) and Pastrnak (11.25) are 2 comparables that have signed over the last year. Matthews current caphit sits in the middle. Don't know why he should be paid any more, especially if we're comparing playoff performances.

Matthews is only going to get paid more because Toronto

 

[authentic]

I’d say he played an important part, something Matthews hasn’t come close to touching


One can easily argue he’s a better overall player than Matthews, stop acting like it’s not close LMFAO

Better overall? He had one good playoff run and people suddenly think he's "better overall"

He isn't as good offensively or defensively, he is clearly an inferior overall player

 

[Sens9292]

Better overall? He had one good playoff run and people suddenly think he's "better overall"

He isn't as good offensively or defensively, he is clearly an inferior overall player

One better than Matthews has provided. Matthews is a great player but if Leafs fans want the Leafs to pay Matthews likes he’s elite, go for it. Won’t end up successful

 

[Garbageyuk]

Dude you are beyond help. He finished top 10 in selke voting in 2022 and has been considered well above average defensively for the better part of 3 seasons. Quit while you’re behind.

Tkachuk is better. Get over it. Any non-Leafs fan who knows anything about hockey takes him over Matthews.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Tkachuk is better. Get over it. Any non-Leafs fan who knows anything about hockey takes him over Matthews.

Ok buddy. You can join Haatley et. al in your safe little bubble where track record, individual stats and hardware, etc. don’t really mean anything.