What would you trade Larkin for... a thought exercise

[lilidk]

Preferably LW power forward or top 4 LD

 

[Winger98]

Well , then maybe just trade our #12 for solid player with long term contract and make everyone here happier

Hey. We're trying to will us into the #2 spot. Quit harshing our groove man and start sending the good vibrations.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Hey. We're trying to will us into the #2 spot. Quit harshing our groove man and start sending the good vibrations.

I would heavily consider moving the 12th pick if that is where we stay.

 

[Ulysses31]

I have never understood this board's fascination with Rossi. Nice player, but certainly not someone I pine for and certainly not someone I would pin our center depth on. The fact that MN would be willing to move on from him says a lot.

For purposes of full disclosure, I have little time for undersized centers.

Are they tho? if i had to guess he will get a pretty fat contract.

He's also a gym nut n has martin st. louis legs.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Oh come on. Thats basically saying Ras and Veleno were “hits” too then.

Rasmussen was drafted 9th and is 13th in NHL GP from his draft.
Veleno was drafted 30th and is 15th in NHL GP from his draft.

Yes, I would categorize both guys as hits. Using baseball terms, you don't view everything except a homerun as a miss, do you?

 

[Winger98]

I would heavily consider moving the 12th pick if that is where we stay.

yeah, really curious what we could get for it. There is so much parity, though, that I'm not sure how much teams really want a 1st coming back as the main thing. I think it would almost have to be on a team on the edge of blowing it up and rebuilding a bit. Maybe NYI? Maybe Vancouver, but I think they are a year out from making that sort of decision. Maybe Calgary? Nashville? Yzerman talks about only looking for guys in the 23-28 age range but not a lot of guys out there, I think, where teams are looking to move that for picks.

 

[SirloinUB]

I would heavily consider moving the 12th pick if that is where we stay.

yeah, really curious what we could get for it. There is so much parity, though, that I'm not sure how much teams really want a 1st coming back as the main thing. I think it would almost have to be on a team on the edge of blowing it up and rebuilding a bit. Maybe NYI? Maybe Vancouver, but I think they are a year out from making that sort of decision. Maybe Calgary? Nashville? Yzerman talks about only looking for guys in the 23-28 age range but not a lot of guys out there, I think, where teams are looking to move that for picks.

Agreed. Id be very open to moving that pick. I think the problem we will run into is so many teams taking a similar mind set. Really, I'm not seeing many teams as sellers right now.

Islanders... Maybe but a new GM might want to take some time before a major shake up.

I don't see Calgary selling. They never seem willing to sell unless they are forced to. Gaudreau and Tkachuk are good examples of that.

Nashville, ya maybe.

Honestly, I feel like everyone else will be trying to add.

 

[SirKillalot]

Rasmussen was drafted 9th and is 13th in NHL GP from his draft.
Veleno was drafted 30th and is 15th in NHL GP from his draft.

Yes, I would categorize both guys as hits. Using baseball terms, you don't view everything except a homerun as a miss, do you?

Quality minutes over quantity minutes please.

Fact is Rasmussen should never been picked as number 9. Then trade down and get another asset, no one else picks him top 15.

Veleno, the biggest issue for him. Is, he doesn't have any stronger abilities in the NHL, for now at least.
Not a big points producer, not a PP guy, not a must need defensive forward, not a great center, not a quality winger. He can do a lot of things at a decent level, but nothing great at this stage and that is why he is off this team.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

There’s too much discussion of trading Larkin in other threads so I’m performing necromancy on this one.

My wishlist trades for Larkin:

ANA: Mason McTavish + Sam Colangelo

LAK: Quinten Byfield + Sammy Helenius or Jeannot

MIN: Marco Rossi + Liam Ohgren

NYR: Alexis Lafreniere + K’Andre Miller (I think Lafreniere on the top line + PP1 time could produce 65+ points in a year.)

Objectively, the Wings roster is worse from losing their best center. What the team loses is the player that’s been their main puck transporter for the last 9 years and that burden will have to be shared more by the rest of the first line and power play.

Kasper is looking really solid in the WC and I think he’s a 60+ guy in the future that can really move the puck up ice. We still have Danielson coming up and don’t know exactly what we have in him yet, but I think he could still be a 50-70 point quality center and not just a JT Compher replacement.

Now let’s say the 13th overall is in play and Detroit gets Rossi with it. They trade Larkin to NYR. I think this roster is stronger than the 2024-25 roster by a bit.

Lafreniere - Rossi - Raymond
DBC - Kasper - Kane
Soderblom - Danielson - Compher
Rasmussen - Copp - Mazur

Miller - Seider
Edvinsson - ASP
Chiarot - Johansson

Danielson, Rossi and Kasper aren’t as fast as 20 year old Larkin but they’re still really good skaters and can help push the puck up ice. Kasper is a better defensive player now than Larkin is, and defense is a strong point in Danielson’s game as well.

If we can find a way to dump Compher for a 40 point winger that plays with some grit and we get league average goaltending then this is a playoff team any year.

 

[Run the Jewels]

There’s too much discussion of trading Larkin in other threads so I’m performing necromancy on this one.

My wishlist trades for Larkin:

ANA: Mason McTavish + Sam Colangelo

Söderblom-McTavish-Raymond
DBC-Kasper-Kane
Berggren-Copp-Colangelo
Rasmussen-Compher-MBN
Mazur

Edvinsson-Seider
Gavrikov-ASP
Chiarot-Johansson

Hold onto your cap space and make a run at Kyle Connor if he hits free agency.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Söderblom-McTavish-Raymond
DBC-Kasper-Kane
Berggren-Copp-Colangelo
Rasmussen-Compher-MBN
Mazur

Edvinsson-Seider
Gavrikov-ASP
Chiarot-Johansson

Hold onto your cap space and make a run at Kyle Connor if he hits free agency.

As much as I want Gavrikov I think he’s as good as signed in LA. Rumor was they were working on an extension before Blake got fired.

I don’t think Kyle Connor hits free agency. I think it’s going to be a Rantanen trade situation just because the NHL is boring as f*** and we won’t get any excitement like that.

Third point, Soderblom doesn’t belong on that first line and Berggren should be packaged for something somewhere. I like the kid but I don’t think there’s much of a future for him in Detroit.

The Wings will still need to pay to get a real top 6 winger to add to this group. Maybe Colangelo develops into a Killorn or Mason Marchment type? That would be huge for this team.

 

[deca guard]

on main board somebody said larkin for utahs 1st which is #4 ?

three of frondell / martone / hagens / desnoyers would be there . and say utah adds a prospect , maybe we add somebody like berggren

i could fathom detroit making a trade like this at the draft if the guy they want is there at 4

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

on main board somebody said larkin for utahs 1st which is #4 ?

three of frondell / martone / hagens / desnoyers would be there . and say utah adds a prospect , maybe we add somebody like berggren

i could fathom detroit making a trade like this at the draft if the guy they want is there at 4

I don’t think Frondell, Hagens or Desnoyer are going to be as good as Larkin. Martone may match Larkin statistically but impact? We’ll see. I don’t think he’s a Tkachuk brother.

 

[deca guard]

I don’t think Frondell, Hagens or Desnoyer are going to be as good as Larkin. Martone may match Larkin statistically but impact? We’ll see. I don’t think he’s a Tkachuk brother.

since ive been reading n watching about prospects at the 12/13 stage ive not seen anything on these earlier players besides martone who caught my eye : MARTONE-KASPER-RAYMOND

*THOUGH I DID SEE SOME ON DESNOYER WHOM I LIKED TOO

 

[Frk It]

on main board somebody said larkin for utahs 1st which is #4 ?

three of frondell / martone / hagens / desnoyers would be there . and say utah adds a prospect , maybe we add somebody like berggren

i could fathom detroit making a trade like this at the draft if the guy they want is there at 4

Could work out, but would be a pretty huge leap of faith.

Haven’t seen Yzerman do anything nearly this bold since he’s been in charge, maybe aside from drafting Seider.

If I was going to go this route I would probably try to package #4 and #13 for pick #2 to get Misa.

 

[SCD]

With Holland taking over in LA, I wonder how much interest he has in getting Larkin to play for him again. Larkin may waive his no-trade clause for a team likely to be playoff bound again next year. Berggren could be a throw in since Holland likes his old draftees.

 

[deca guard]

- utahs #4 + simashev , detroit adds to larkin

- and i hate to say this but if we traded larks then we could sign bennet to be 2C

- plus sign jennott and trade for hague team gets way more physical

- brock nelson also ufa as potential 2C , at age 33 we might be able to short term at 2 or 3 years
as im all for short term ufa adds so have long term cap to sign our prospects = very important

 

[Run the Jewels]

Third point, Soderblom doesn’t belong on that first line and Berggren should be packaged for something somewhere. I like the kid but I don’t think there’s much of a future for him in Detroit.

For Söderblom, he was 6th among DRW forwards in even strength goals per game. Small sample size for sure, but he outscored Berggren and Kane at even strength goals per game. Also, only Christian Fischer got more defensive zone starts among forwards. Söderblom’s dZS% was 56.6%.

I think there’s still a decent amount of runway for Söderblom who's played less than 50 NHL games and has gotten pretty much zero power play time. His skill set of winning board battles, being a net front presence, and solid passer all suggest he’d be very good with the man advantage.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

For Söderblom, he was 6th among DRW forwards in even strength goals per game. Small sample size for sure, but he outscored Berggren and Kane at even strength goals per game. Also, only Christian Fischer got more defensive zone starts among forwards. Söderblom’s dZS% was 56.6%.

I think there’s still a decent amount of runway for Söderblom who's played less than 50 NHL games and has gotten pretty much zero power play time. His skill set of winning board battles, being a net front presence, and solid passer all suggest he’d be very good with the man advantage.

Oh I agree that Soderblom has the potential to be a late blooming support scorer. For the time being I would prefer to have him in a depth role and for Detroit to acquire a proven support scorer for the top 6. Boeser, Ehlers, whomever we get in a trade.

If Soderblom can pot 15 next year and we get someone who can put up 25+ on the first line next to Larkin and Raymond then our offense will be much better off for it.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Oh I agree that Soderblom has the potential to be a late blooming support scorer. For the time being I would prefer to have him in a depth role and for Detroit to acquire a proven support scorer for the top 6. Boeser, Ehlers, whomever we get in a trade.

If Soderblom can pot 15 next year and we get someone who can put up 25+ on the first line next to Larkin and Raymond then our offense will be much better off for it.

Boeser is projected to get 8.5 ... that’s bonkers for me . I have zero interest in him

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Boeser is projected to get 8.5 ... that’s bonkers for me . I have zero interest in him

He’ll go closer to 7.5 to 8.

Also 8.5 in 2025 is not 8.5 in 2020. An above average first liner is going to command that salary with the rising cap. So instead of getting sticker shock from the number, look at the percentage of the cap it takes up. THAT is your real indicator.

EDIT: Also, if we stick to this stupid notion of “nobody can make more than Larkin” then we’re not going to get any good players. You get what you pay for.

 

[SirloinUB]

Oh I agree that Soderblom has the potential to be a late blooming support scorer. For the time being I would prefer to have him in a depth role and for Detroit to acquire a proven support scorer for the top 6. Boeser, Ehlers, whomever we get in a trade.

If Soderblom can pot 15 next year and we get someone who can put up 25+ on the first line next to Larkin and Raymond then our offense will be much better off for it.

I don't know what to make of Ehlers and truthfully haven't watched him enough to have a strong opinion one way or another.

That said, for the last 3 seasons Winnipeg used him as more of 2nd/3rd line tweener and PP specialist.

Is he a bona fide, reliable top 6er misused by the Jets (year after year) or is he an unreliable middle 6er that was stashed into a specific role for good reason?

He also has a history of wilting in the playoffs. He's breaking through that this season but the body of (playoff) work points back to unreliability.

I've got a lot of buyer beware feelings on Ehlers. Especially at a big cap hit.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

He’ll go closer to 7.5 to 8.

Also 8.5 in 2025 is not 8.5 in 2020. An above average first liner is going to command that salary with the rising cap. So instead of getting sticker shock from the number, look at the percentage of the cap it takes up. THAT is your real indicator.

EDIT: Also, if we stick to this stupid notion of “nobody can make more than Larkin” then we’re not going to get any good players. You get what you pay for.

Either way he’s not someone I would offer that money and especially term. If it was 2 years sure but that would never happen. He’s been around a 50 ish pt guy outside of 2 yrs ago

Never said I was against paying someone more than larkin . That person is not boeser, i remember everyone being excited at copp and compher signings .... it’ll just be another contract fans would bitch about a few yrs later

Jets are about to be eliminated. Connor and his wife are locals, maybe he decides he wants out. Either now or 2026 summer I’d send the funds his way over boeser

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Either way he’s not someone I would offer that money and especially term. If it was 2 years sure but that would never happen. He’s been around a 50 ish pt guy outside of 2 yrs ago

Never said I was against paying someone more than larkin . That person is not boeser, i remember everyone being excited at copp and compher signings .... it’ll just be another contract fans would bitch about a few yrs later

Jets are about to be eliminated. Connor and his wife are locals, maybe he decides he wants out. Either now or 2026 summer I’d send the funds his way over boeser

Then the move needs to be a deal for Connor. You’re not getting him in free agency, and 1 more season of missing the playoffs and I think there needs to be talk of moving on from Yzerman, the country club red wings, Larkin, and restarting. We saw some major cracks in the veneer of the franchise from missing the postseason this year. One more and I think you’re going to lose Larkin, Debrincat and Kane. And then it’s only a matter of time before Raymond and Seider force their way out.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Then the move needs to be a deal for Connor. You’re not getting him in free agency, and 1 more season of missing the playoffs and I think there needs to be talk of moving on from Yzerman, the country club red wings, Larkin, and restarting. We saw some major cracks in the veneer of the franchise from missing the postseason this year. One more and I think you’re going to lose Larkin, Debrincat and Kane. And then it’s only a matter of time before Raymond and Seider force their way out.

Why will we get him now but not free agency? At the end of the day the power is all with Kyle connor, if he wants to be a redwing a year from now he can force his way now or just wait. And if he wants to go to a cup contender even if we traded for him he’d refuse an extension and test the market

Maybe the jets just try they’re luck again with him and refuse to deal him or try to get an extension by the deadline. Again all in connor’s control. I can’t imagine he’ll want to live in Winnipeg another 9 yrs

Yzerman’s not getting moved I think fans have unrealistic expectations. All the work he did is about to pay off in the next 2-3 yrs cause everyone’s arriving. Don’t forget he came here with basically Dylan larkin and nothing else(Rasmussen and Berggren is pretty much nothing)

Takes time to draft and develop guys and for them to make they’re way into the lineups and get experience. I’ll grant you his Ufa signings have been horrible but his draft has been good. I’ll be rooting to get in the playoffs but I don’t even think being a bottom 8 team and somehow adding a McKenna to everything we already have and then adding Connor in free agency wouldn’t be the best thing longterm

I always said larkin would be gone as soon as his ntc expires and never saw debrincat signing a 7 yr deal here , seider and Raymond aren’t going anywhere. Again like I said everything is about to pay off but unless a pellikka becomes a makar right off the bat they’ll be growing pains. Can’t expect asp to get 60 pts year one and lombardi to get 50 etc..

I’d trade my first and get Romanov and try to fix the team now but we all know we can’t force teams to make moves . It wouldn’t be the most shocking thing if this team didn’t make the playoffs with all the new players coming in