Value of: What would it cost to unload Gallagher?

[BLNY]

The kid is the heart and soul of that crappy team.
They won’t be better if they get rid of him.

You haven't watched. Maybe a long summer break will do him good, but I think he should have gone under the knife in November when it was clear the season was lost. He needs the same hip surgery Byron had. There are other nagging issues too. All this was predictable, and it's why he should have been trade between 2017 and 2020. Right now, he's an offensive black hole that can't keep up with play most nights.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I’d trade Vlasic for Gallagher straight up.

 

[Captain Mountain]

The contract was bad before the ink dried

the next 4 yrs his actual pay is above the cap hit.

That doesn't actually matter all that much for Montreal.

At the end of the day, there's no reason for Montreal to rush to move him. Its not even the first time he had a season this bad/unlucky. Which is another reason the organization has expressed no interest in moving him.

I’d trade Vlasic for Gallagher straight up.

Montreal wouldn't though.

 

[abo9]

Montreal is much better to keep him and hope that his work ethic/pro attitude transfers to them. Unless he starts to whine and stops working hard... but that'd be surprising.

Him and Petry can stay for the rebuild, no point im rushing their departures.

You want to avoid rebuilding with no guys to provide structure. Thats how rebuild end up taking forever

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Montreal wouldn't though.

Why not? You get out of it a year earlier, significantly less money, and pay nothing in the process.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I'm not going to sell you a bottle of snake oil. His contract is awful, untradeable sheet of turd. What would it take for you to take him off our hands?

Any kind of scenario will do, with 50% retained if that's what it takes. Show me your magic and do the impossible, Clarkson trade 2.0.

Not going to happen. Keep him and wait for the bounce back.

 

[blankall]

Gallagher for Monahan​

An expiring bad contract for a an even bigger bad contract with an four years in it. No thanks.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Isn't Montreal the exact type of team that should be taking on Gallaghers, not paying assets to remove them? The core probably needs a couple years to season and prove themselves before management starts making "win now" moves.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Those kids need someone to learn about work ethic from. If there's no desire to retool to try to contend next year, just keep him and let them learn from him. Or wait until a LTIR opportunity comes up and send him out to pasture that way.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Why not? You get out of it a year earlier, significantly less money, and pay nothing in the process.

Gallagher has had one bad season after a poor offensive playoff run, both of which he was dealing with multiple injuries. Vlasic has been bad for multiple consecutive seasons. Vlasic has a higher AAV and he has full or near full trade protection, whereas Gallagher has minimal trade protection. Gallagher is also more of a LTIRetirement candidate.

I'm far more willing to bet Gallagher can bounce back with a proper offseason than bet Vlasic can find a game in Montreal. He serves a clearer role in the interim (Montreal already has a bad French Canadian stay at home RD with term).

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Gallagher has had one bad season after a poor offensive playoff run, both of which he was dealing with multiple injuries. Vlasic has been bad for multiple consecutive seasons. Vlasic has a higher AAV and he has full or near full trade protection, whereas Gallagher has minimal trade protection. Gallagher is also more of a LTIRetirement candidate.

I'm far more willing to bet Gallagher can bounce back with a proper offseason than bet Vlasic can find a game in Montreal.

That’s fair but I feel sometimes teams will trade for the player that has better odds of playing than those that are more likely to be LTIR candidates when they already have many of those if it allows them to get out of one of those contracts quicker.

Is there an asset or retention that could be thrown in to make it more acceptable?

 

[Mersss]

That’s fair but I feel sometimes teams will trade for the player that has better odds of playing than those that are more likely to be LTIR candidates when they already have many of those if it allows them to get out of one of those contracts quicker.

No it won't...

Vlasic is an AHL calibre dman at this point, #6 at best, and no injury issue. You're stuck with him on your cap

Gally, when he plays, is at least an effective 3rd liner. And with his injury issue, he'll end up on LTIR for the last 2 years of his contract, when Habs will be looking to contend-ish

 

[Pinkfloyd]

No it won't...

Vlasic is an AHL calibre dman at this point, #6 at best, and no injury issue. You're stuck with him on your cap

Gally, when he plays, is at least an effective 3rd liner. And with his injury issue, he'll end up on LTIR for the last 2 years of his contract, when Habs will be looking to contend-ish

Vlasic is an effective bottom pairing defenseman. Trading that for an effective third liner when they’re similar with contracts is a normal move on both sides.

Predicting with such certainty his health three years for now when Vlasic at that point would be one year from expiring and easier to free up by then seems risky.

 

[Captain Mountain]

That’s fair but I feel sometimes teams will trade for the player that has better odds of playing than those that are more likely to be LTIR candidates when they already have many of those if it allows them to get out of one of those contracts quicker.

Is there an asset or retention that could be thrown in to make it more acceptable?

Maybe, but Gallagher has been the heart of the team for a long time now. Some Habs fans are whining about him on here, but there's no indication that the team wants to move him (reports were he was part of the "prefer not to trade list" of the new management group).

Its also pretty easy to internally view that got hurt in the midst of strong regular season (14 goals and 23 points in 35 games), rushed back for the playoffs, also got injured in the playoffs, and had an incredibly short offseason (July 7th to September 22) to recover. They aren't planning to push for the playoffs next season, there's no real incentive to move him, especially for Vlasic, who doesn't even fill a role they need filled. Even if Petry is gone, they'd want a vet that plays a game like Petry.

I don't think there's a retention or asset that makes sense for both sides to make a deal. Unless San Jose would be willing to take Savard too.

 

[JayB]

Callagher for James van Riemsdyk?

 

[Team Cozens]

The Habs should be rebuilding for a couple of years, probably best to just ride it out for awhile.

Exactly, we Sabres fans couldn't wait to buyout Okposo or Skinner a year ago. Now we NEED the cap hits and Okposo might even be the captain next season. Skinner with his bounce back year makes fans forget about the cost as well.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Maybe, but Gallagher has been the heart of the team for a long time now. Some Habs fans are whining about him on here, but there's no indication that the team wants to move him (reports were he was part of the "prefer not to trade list" of the new management group).

Its also pretty easy to internally view that got hurt in the midst of strong regular season (14 goals and 23 points in 35 games), rushed back for the playoffs, also got injured in the playoffs, and had an incredibly short offseason (July 7th to September 22) to recover. They aren't planning to push for the playoffs next season, there's no real incentive to move him, especially for Vlasic, who doesn't even fill a role they need filled. Even if Petry is gone, they'd want a vet that plays a game like Petry.

I don't think there's a retention or asset that makes sense for both sides to make a deal. Unless San Jose would be willing to take Savard too.

I’d be willing to take Savard as well. Is Montreal looking for goaltending with Price’s future in doubt? Would you want to take Adin Hill back to try and turn him around and rent him for an asset at the deadline?

 

[Captain Mountain]

I’d be willing to take Savard as well. Is Montreal looking for goaltending with Price’s future in doubt? Would you want to take Adin Hill back to try and turn him around and rent him for an asset at the deadline?

I would take Hill assuming Price can't play. I still doubt HuGo would consider moving Gallagher unless he has another poor season in 2022-2023. But at least that would consolidate Montreal's bad contracts and clears them some room in the present.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I’d be willing to take Savard as well. Is Montreal looking for goaltending with Price’s future in doubt? Would you want to take Adin Hill back to try and turn him around and rent him for an asset at the deadline?

Doubt the Habs trade Eddy or Savard and we won't... especially if we move Petry. We are not going to have a entire D core age 25 and under.

Eddy and Savard will ride out those contracts during our rebuild years and get traded as rentals at a deadline.

Allen and Monty will likely be the goalies. I don't see Price getting to where he wants to be which is a top 10 goalie and not a burden to the team. He's going to evaluate his options and try but at this stage, it's more likely LTIR.

Gallagher won't be moved. I just don't see that circumstance developing this summer. He's a good forward to have around as a vet for the kids even if he is overpaid. Overpaid in a rebuild where he won't hurt our cap space for signing RFA's. Habs don't have to move him but some fans will try

 

[Habs Halifax]

Gallagher is getting $9M in 2024-2025. That's how brutal that contract is. Didn't even frontload it properly.

That only matters if we actually trade him. I see Gallagher around with the Habs for a while yet.

Gallagher's cap hit is only an issue if we need the cap space but we don't and we are heading into rebuild years where there is no RFA we can't afford to sign moving forward.

Gallagher is not trending well but he will have a full off season to rest up and train. I see some sort of rebound but not 30 goals. Maybe 15-25 range and 40-50 pts. Still overpaid but a good guy to have around and mentor the kids.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The contract was bad before the ink dried

the next 4 yrs his actual pay is above the cap hit.

We paid him for previous years so yeah, it was a mistake. However, it don't hurt us cause we are not thinking playoffs and contending for a while yet. 5 more years at $6.5M and maybe we consider moving him when he has 2 years left.

This is low value trade talk on Gallagher. Habs are not going to liquidate him in trade value and no team is going to give us an offer we can't refuse.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why not? You get out of it a year earlier, significantly less money, and pay nothing in the process.

Vlasic blocks some our LD coming up. Eddy will be there as vet presence and then we have Guhle, Harris, Norlinder, Struble.

It's not a bad offer but Vlasic is 35 and Gallagher is 30. If we didn't have Eddy, maybe we consider this but still, I doubt it.

Gallagher is signed till 34 and Vlasic is signed till 39. I don't see one good reason for the Habs to consider this

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Gallagher for Monahan​

Why would Calgary do that? Monahan's AAV is bad but only for 1 more year.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No it won't...

Vlasic is an AHL calibre dman at this point, #6 at best, and no injury issue. You're stuck with him on your cap

Gally, when he plays, is at least an effective 3rd liner. And with his injury issue, he'll end up on LTIR for the last 2 years of his contract, when Habs will be looking to contend-ish

The biggest thing is one is signed till 34 and the other is signed till 39. It's not happening

Why would Calgary do that? Monahan's AAV is bad but only for 1 more year.

Flames won't. They prefer to move Monahan and free up cap space. Maybe they take a smaller cap hit back but if they move Monahan, it's to free up cap for Tkachuk and Gaudreau.

 

[JRichard]

Callagher for James van Riemsdyk?

Yikes. Philly has 0 interest in such a trade. Ultimate untradeable contract.