Speculation: What will the Wings do??

[Tatar Shots]

You have to be cap compliant to start the season before players can go on LTIR/IR

No that is not how the rule works.

 

[Toggel]

No that is not how the rule works.

What is the season opening injured reserve (SOIR)?
If a player is injured during training-camp, they can be placed on season-opening injured reserve, to possibly obtain cap relief:

Full Cap Hit
Players who are on a one-way contract, or players on a two-way contract who accrued 50 or more NHL games in the previous season count fully against the cap hit. Teams can opt to place these players on LTIR to obtain cap-relief (LTIR FAQ).

https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#soir

This means that teams must become salary cap compliant before they can place players on LTIR since the injury exception to the cap does not come into effect until the season has started.

http://theleafsnation.com/2016/5/7/...and-the-leafs-need-to-be-cautious-in-using-it

If you have other information that says otherwise I would like to read it. As it looks now they are 4.3 mil over the cap hit.

 

[SirloinUB]

Im sure they will sort it out

 

[tony d]

Going to be interesting to see what they do here. Maybe move Howard for a draft pick?

 

[Ishad]

What is the season opening injured reserve (SOIR)?
If a player is injured during training-camp, they can be placed on season-opening injured reserve, to possibly obtain cap relief:

If you have other information that says otherwise I would like to read it. As it looks now they are 4.3 mil over the cap hit.

They place Franzen and Vitale on the SOIR, they are now cap compliant. Done.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Fayne at 50% (1.825) and a 1st for Green

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Fayne at 50% (1.825) and a 1st for Green

Sold.

Its been a pleasure doing business.

 

[Esko]

Fayne at 50% (1.825) and a 1st for Green

Wouldn't offer the first along with Fayne but Green would solve a lot of Edmonton's problems and would provide some immediate cap relief for Detroit. Fayne + Yakupov with some retention make any sense?

 

[PullHard]

What is the season opening injured reserve (SOIR)?
If a player is injured during training-camp, they can be placed on season-opening injured reserve, to possibly obtain cap relief:

Full Cap Hit
Players who are on a one-way contract, or players on a two-way contract who accrued 50 or more NHL games in the previous season count fully against the cap hit. Teams can opt to place these players on LTIR to obtain cap-relief (LTIR FAQ).

https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#soir

This means that teams must become salary cap compliant before they can place players on LTIR since the injury exception to the cap does not come into effect until the season has started.

http://theleafsnation.com/2016/5/7/...and-the-leafs-need-to-be-cautious-in-using-it

If you have other information that says otherwise I would like to read it. As it looks now they are 4.3 mil over the cap hit.

I'm not 100% but I'm pretty sure teams like Boston was doing the same thing while they were contending with Savard's contract and the Flyers with Pronger's contract. They would be over the cap slightly to start the year and then LTIR their forever-injured players to become compliant for the year. Maybe some Bruins or Flyers fans can weigh in.

At any rate, this thread has come up several times this offseason and Detroit has done nothing so it is pretty clear that nothing needs to be done, assuming the players that are currently known to be injured remain on LTIR.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Wouldn't offer the first along with Fayne but Green would solve a lot of Edmonton's problems and would provide some immediate cap relief for Detroit. Fayne + Yakupov with some retention make any sense?

You could likely talk amount of retention down a bit (maybe to a third), but honestly I've got zero problems with the overpay. Green fits Edmonton's needs like a glove, and (assuming some degree of healthiness from everyone) would have this team in the playoff picture.


Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Green
Davidson-Gryba

Would be the best defence this team has had since 08/09 with Souray and Visnovsky.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Wouldn't offer the first along with Fayne but Green would solve a lot of Edmonton's problems and would provide some immediate cap relief for Detroit. Fayne + Yakupov with some retention make any sense?

Not for Detroit.

Only reason I said sold was for the mid round 1st.

 

[Toggel]

They place Franzen and Vitale on the SOIR, they are now cap compliant. Done.

Full Cap Hit
Players who are on a one-way contract, or players on a two-way contract who accrued 50 or more NHL games in the previous season count fully against the cap hit.


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[Benstheman]

damn i'm lost a bit.

Will they trade players or not???

 

[Vatican Roulette]

damn i'm lost a bit.

Will they trade players or not???

No, it's Ken Holland.

People will be lost on waivers before that happens.

And Cleary will be signed for depth.

 

[briererocks]

I'm not 100% but I'm pretty sure teams like Boston was doing the same thing while they were contending with Savard's contract and the Flyers with Pronger's contract. They would be over the cap slightly to start the year and then LTIR their forever-injured players to become compliant for the year. Maybe some Bruins or Flyers fans can weigh in.

At any rate, this thread has come up several times this offseason and Detroit has done nothing so it is pretty clear that nothing needs to be done, assuming the players that are currently known to be injured remain on LTIR.

My understanding is you have 2 options. Either put someone on LTIR before the season or during the season. It is better to do it during the season because you can use the full amount of the LTIR space. If you do it before the season, you can do it to become cap compliant but the you cannot use the additional space from LTIR.

For instance, suppose you are over the cap by 1 million and have a 5 million player you can put LTIR. If you put the 5 million player on LTIR before the season you are compliant but you only use 1 million of LTIR. If you do it during the season, you can use the 4 million of spare cap space to add a player etc...

 

[Tatar Shots]

My understanding is you have 2 options. Either put someone on LTIR before the season or during the season. It is better to do it during the season because you can use the full amount of the LTIR space. If you do it before the season, you can do it to become cap compliant but the you cannot use the additional space from LTIR.

For instance, suppose you are over the cap by 1 million and have a 5 million player you can put LTIR. If you put the 5 million player on LTIR before the season you are compliant but you only use 1 million of LTIR. If you do it during the season, you can use the 4 million of spare cap space to add a player etc...

Yes this is how the rule works. It hurts flexibility to put players on IR before the season starts but it is allowed.

 

[Ducksgo*]

4,9M$ over the cap. 15 forwards, 6 Dmen, 2 goalies.

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/detroit-red-wings

Roster is pretty set but they need to shed salary.

What will they do??

Can they trade Howard without getting salary back??

They also need a top 4 LHD. Who would be the best bait?? Nyquist or Tatar??

Have a gut feeling Anaheim will Take Tatar + for Fowler. LHD is set for you guys and our wing position is filled as well. We can't take in anymore salary just like you guys can't so we will have to dump elsewhere for picks and AHL prospects to get under the internal cap and cap set by the NHL.

 

[DJN21]

Have a gut feeling Anaheim will Take Tatar + for Fowler. LHD is set for you guys and our wing position is filled as well. We can't take in anymore salary just like you guys can't so we will have to dump elsewhere for picks and AHL prospects to get under the internal cap and cap set by the NHL.

What does this have to do with the thread? It does nothing to alleviate the cap crunch.

 

[briererocks]

What does this have to do with the thread? It does nothing to alleviate the cap crunch.

as i explained earlier, they do not have a cap crunch. they will put two players on ltir before the season, which is not ideal but is permitted and will make them cap compliant.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

To answer your question. What will the Wings do?

Finish out of the playoffs.

Too many bad contracts without enough young guys on ELCs to take up the slack.

 

[93LEAFS]

My understanding is you have 2 options. Either put someone on LTIR before the season or during the season. It is better to do it during the season because you can use the full amount of the LTIR space. If you do it before the season, you can do it to become cap compliant but the you cannot use the additional space from LTIR.

For instance, suppose you are over the cap by 1 million and have a 5 million player you can put LTIR. If you put the 5 million player on LTIR before the season you are compliant but you only use 1 million of LTIR. If you do it during the season, you can use the 4 million of spare cap space to add a player etc...

It also messes with your bonus cushion, which is why the Leaf have slight cap problems if the arbitration against Cowen doesn't go our way.

 

[PullHard]

Full Cap Hit
Players who are on a one-way contract, or players on a two-way contract who accrued 50 or more NHL games in the previous season count fully against the cap hit.


read more...

All you had to do was read the next sentence

Full Cap Hit
Players who are on a one-way contract, or players on a two-way contract who accrued 50 or more NHL games in the previous season count fully against the cap hit. Teams can opt to place these players on LTIR to obtain cap-relief

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Fayne at 50% (1.825) and a 1st for Green

And this helps Detroit how? Detroit needs a major over haul on D not subtracting Green for Fayne does us no good. Especially with Kronwall and Ericsson not healthy.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

What was Holland thinking with the Helm signing...

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Going to be interesting to see what they do here. Maybe move Howard for a draft pick?

Not happening Detroit is stuck with Howard, The only way Howard might get dealt is if a teams starting Goalie goes down for a long period of time and they get desperate. With Franzen+Vitale+Jurco on LTIR that's about $6 million in cap savings right there. And adding Ouellet to the roster. We should still be around $1.1 million under the cap.