What to do with Nate Schmidt?

[surixon]

You think Perfetti is going to sign a bridge for $4M? Zegras got $5.8/year for three years and Perfetti is better than him. You don't think they will go long term with him? They have for every other player of his pedigree in 2.0 that would sign long term.

I think Chevy will try to lock him up long term (My guess is they offer the equivilant of the KC deal). I just used a two year bridge for the sake of trying to keep the whole group together. But yes if he posts 70 plus points a 2 year bridge may come in around 5 million aav

 

[surixon]

Thanks for the detailed breakdown. It's tight but not impossible. You can find the extra 1.5 by only dressing 22 skaters and paying a bit less for your backup goalie. To me that's a better solution than adding buyout penalties to the cap in the next season or trading away a high pick to get someone to take Schmidt.

Injuries happen, you run a risk dressing that tight a roster. Also it would necessitate that we waive a good young player like Chisholm/Heinola likely loosing them for nothing.

Helle at his age imo needs to have his workload managed better then he has in the past so that he's fresh for playoffs. That to me necessitates allocating decent cap space for a good backup. To me we have younger and cheaper players that can do Nate's job as good or better.

 

[Crocket]

They want to see Heinola's recovery and then I think Schmidt either sits or is moved. But I'm inclined to think Stanley is more tradable and we know Chevy likes to over stock on defenseman. Having Schmidt siting behind VH might be what happens.

 

[WolfHouse]

They want to see Heinola's recovery and then I think Schmidt either sits or is moved. But I'm inclined to think Stanley is more tradable and we know Chevy likes to over stock on defenseman. Having Schmidt siting behind VH might be what happens.

Schmidt somehow had value to us even though he sucked in Vancouver... I think there's always teams open to good locker room guys and every GM wants to find a diamond in the rough... if jets retain I think there's a market in the east

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Schmidt somehow had value to us even though he sucked in Vancouver... I think there's always teams open to good locker room guys and every GM wants to find a diamond in the rough... if jets retain I think there's a market in the east

Or a younger team like Anaheim. Maybe San Jose in the west

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I like the idea of concentrating this discussion in one place. 2 things I'll add is that while $1,150,000 of his cap hit can be buried if you waive Schmidt (NHL minimum of $775,000 + $375,000 = $1,150,000) you then have to pay his replacement player on the roster. In Heinola's case that is less then $300,000 of actual cap savings, assuming Villie not hitting any performance bonuses. Also I think the cost of another team taking on Schmidt would be much higher than a 2nd, due to him having another year on his contract. I'd guess a 1st at minimum, probably a prospect added to that. Retention brings down the price, but not lower than a first IMO at least.

And that is why the buyout is the way to go. A 1st +, or even the 1st alone is too much to pay. The buyout costs us 2.7 next year and 1.6 the year after. We save 3.23 mil in the first year and lose just the 1.6 in the second.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I'd attach montreals 2nd and a Stanley or Rashevsky to get rid of nates cap all together

 

[10Ducky10]

Schmidt somehow had value to us even though he sucked in Vancouver... I think there's always teams open to good locker room guys and every GM wants to find a diamond in the rough... if jets retain I think there's a market in the east

How much are you going to retain?

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Retaining is interesting but not more than 25 percent in my opinion. Have the Jets ever retained tho? Like on more than 1 year remaining? Don't think so

 

[10Ducky10]

Retaining is interesting but not more than 25 percent in my opinion. Have the Jets ever retained tho? Like on more than 1 year remaining? Don't think so

Laine

 

[WolfHouse]

How much are you going to retain?

I'm never sure i understand nhl rules but I think you can do 50% - jets are still good with cap unless we are adding lindholm

Schmidt is a good D at 3m and would work with a young d core like montreal... then if jets retain this year it let's the other GM retain next year at TD and saves us $$ over buyout

Like retained Schmidt for a 5th and a contingency pick if he reaches certain points or starts a number of games

I'd like to imagine he could be part of a Monahan deal but doubt it

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Laine

For more than just the season he was traded in? I don't know about that. Jets would be retaining this year and next with Schmidt

 

[WolfHouse]

Retaining is interesting but not more than 25 percent in my opinion. Have the Jets ever retained tho? Like on more than 1 year remaining? Don't think so

If heinola gets healthy, Jets have to waive someone... who they will lose for nothing unless it's Schmidt

 

[raideralex99]

You notice when the players hand out the jackets how many times they gave it to Schmidt?
He is well liked in the dressing room so why rock the boat ... I say keep him.
I'm guilty of pointing out Schmidt's mistakes but hey the Jets are winning and that's all that matters at this point. Things can change come spring time and I trust Chevy to do the right things.

 

[10Ducky10]

If you are retaining 50 %, you might as well buy him out.

 

[Maukkis]

If you are retaining 50 %, you might as well buy him out.

I lean towards this as well. We should be able to take the cap penalty in 25-26 (1.61 million) with ease, as we will be letting go of a couple of veteran forwards then. The difference between a buyout and retaining half is not that significant in terms of real dollars, and the same goes for cap effects in 24-25 too.

Unless they are absolutely hell-bent on signing Perfetti to a long-term deal instead of going with a bridge deal, we shouldn't need to pay anyone to dump 88 in the offseason. They might not want to (or they could always find a really dumb GM that makes the trade worth our while, you'll never know), but the flexibility should be there.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think Schmidt in general helps the team more than Pionk. I get that Pionk has more offensive flair, but Schmidt does better in the defensive zone and I believe that Heinola and/or Chisholm can replace Pionk's offensive output while being better defensively. Schmidt defends really well, but he's considered an offensive defensemen so his 1 point in 20 games makes it look like he's underperforming. His defensive numbers have been fantastic since the beginning of last season, it might be time to start judging him based on thise numbers. He continues to do really well defensively while pushing the play forward.

But, pionk’s defensive numbers would have lower numbers as he is pushed to top pairing more. As well Schmidt is already being healthy scratched so if a guy is getting replaced it’s Schmidt.

If heinola gets healthy, Jets have to waive someone... who they will lose for nothing unless it's Schmidt

im sure they’d lose Stanley. They are already giving chis reps and Schmidt is a good insurance policy for lack of better options.

 

[Whileee]

I think Schmidt is most likely headed for a buy-out. Saves them $3.2M in cap space next season, and costs them $1.6M the following season. With a rising cap, I think they would be in a much better cap situation with a buy-out.

The details (from CapFriendly):

 

[Buffdog]

Whatever they do, I doubt they do it mid-season if he's as well liked in the room as it appears.

By all accounts, the room looks tight. No sense messing with that unless it's to upgrade the roster somehow (RHD or top 6 F). In that case, you'd probably have to pay the price to move Schmidt to be able to take on the upgrade's salary

I have a feeling chevy rolls with what he has until.the TDL then who knows

 

[Whileee]

I think Schmidt will stay with the Jets this season, and they'll end up trading a different D (probably Stanley) once Heinola is fit to play. At that point, they'll probably play Heinola the most as the 6D, with Schmidt and Chisholm rotating into the line-up to keep them from going completely rusty.

 

[snowkiddin]

In my NHL 24 video game I traded him to Chicago for Connor Bedard and their 1st. It was super easy, I just had to take control of Chicago to get it done. I’d be looking for something like that if I were Chevy.

 

[WolfHouse]

If you are retaining 50 %, you might as well buy him out.

You're retaining 50% for the remainder of this season... which is probably 2m

In my NHL 24 video game I traded him to Chicago for Connor Bedard and their 1st. It was super easy, I just had to take control of Chicago to get it done. I’d be looking for something like that if I were Chevy.

Chevy's like 'oh hey I just found this old file folder... something about 'what to do at the beach'... oh wait that says about beach...'

 

[ERYX]

Apparently, what we need to do about Schmidt is hook him up with whoever the Leafs are using for medical staff to sign off on LTIR and make the bad contract go away.

 

[10Ducky10]

You're retaining 50% for the remainder of this season... which is probably 2m


Chevy's like 'oh hey I just found this old file folder... something about 'what to do at the beach'... oh wait that says about beach...'

50% would be 2.975m AAV and 2.425m actual money.

 

[KingBogo]

You notice when the players hand out the jackets how many times they gave it to Schmidt?
He is well liked in the dressing room so why rock the boat ... I say keep him.
I'm guilty of pointing out Schmidt's mistakes but hey the Jets are winning and that's all that matters at this point. Things can change come spring time and I trust Chevy to do the right things.

I don’t think there is any chance the Jets waive Schmidt mid season. The organization doesn’t operate that way. A buyout after the season in the buyout window before free agency is the most likely. It benefits the player and is respectful.