What to do with Nate Schmidt?

[10Ducky10]

With Bones dressing 7D last night and Schmidt not one of them, I thought I'd start a thread about...


What should be done with Nate Schmidt?

Play him until his contract is over?

Buy him out this off season with a hit of 2/3 of his deal over two years (1/3 each year)?

Waive him and let him play in the AHL? The first 4.8m would go against the cap.

Keep him and spell him in and out with the rookies and demote, trade, buy him out this upcoming summer?

Pay to trade him? No idea what this would cost but I am guessing a 2nd?

I think the Jets will waive him once Ville is available to play for the Jets.


I'd spell him in and out with the rookies and buy him out this upcoming summer (unless a team will take him for a 3rd). He does have really good stats when paired with Sammy.

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[surixon]

With Bones dressing 7D last night and Schmidt not one of them, I thought I'd start a thread about...


What should be done with Nate Schmidt?

Play him until his contract is over?

Buy him out this off season with a hit of 2/3 of his deal over two years (1/3 each year)?

Waive him and let him play in the AHL? The first 4.875m would go against the cap.

Keep him and spell him in and out with the rookies and demote, trade, buy him out this upcoming summer?

Pay to trade him? No idea what this would cost but I am guessing a 2nd?

I think the Jets will waive him once Ville is available to play for the Jets.


I'd spell him in and out with the rookies and buy him out this upcoming summer (unless a team will take him for a 3rd). He does have really good stats when paired with Sammy.

He's getting bought out next summer barring someone taking his contract. Had he not been injured that spot is likely Heinola's right now.

 

[KingBogo]

With Bones dressing 7D last night and Schmidt not one of them, I thought I'd start a thread about...


What should be done with Nate Schmidt?

Play him until his contract is over?

Buy him out this off season with a hit of 2/3 of his deal over two years (1/3 each year)?

Waive him and let him play in the AHL? The first 4.875m would go against the cap.

Keep him and spell him in and out with the rookies and demote, trade, buy him out this upcoming summer?

Pay to trade him? No idea what this would cost but I am guessing a 2nd?

I think the Jets will waive him once Ville is available to play for the Jets.


I'd spell him in and out with the rookies and buy him out this upcoming summer (unless a team will take him for a 3rd). He does have really good stats when paired with Sammy.

I like the idea of concentrating this discussion in one place. 2 things I'll add is that while $1,150,000 of his cap hit can be buried if you waive Schmidt (NHL minimum of $775,000 + $375,000 = $1,150,000) you then have to pay his replacement player on the roster. In Heinola's case that is less then $300,000 of actual cap savings, assuming Villie not hitting any performance bonuses. Also I think the cost of another team taking on Schmidt would be much higher than a 2nd, due to him having another year on his contract. I'd guess a 1st at minimum, probably a prospect added to that. Retention brings down the price, but not lower than a first IMO at least.

 

[KingBogo]

He's getting bought out next summer barring someone taking his contract. Had he not been injured thay spot is likely Heinola's right now.

After having reading many posts and having several discussions on this, at this point my best guess is a buyout. That is also more of a TNSE type move as it is the most beneficial and least embarrassing to the player allowing them to jump quickly into free agency.

 

[surixon]

After having reading many posts and having several discussions on this, at this point my best guess is a buyout. That is also more of a TNSE type move as it is the most beneficial and least embarrassing to the player allowing them to jump quickly into free agency.

Agreed. They'd trade him if they could but I don't see this org willingly parting with high end draft capital to move a contract. They depend on that capital too much.

 

[10Ducky10]

I was going to add an option of adding him into a larger deal but that has too many variables.

 

[AtomicJets]

If I'm not mistaken, Wheeler was only the second buyout in Jets 2.0 history. I think TNSE views buyouts as a last resort. I have a hard time imagining them executing buyouts in back to back off seasons.

I personally don't see a problem with having Schmidt as our 8th D and sitting in the press box until injuries dictate that he is needed. He is still a serviceable defenceman, he is just overpaid. A buyout kicks the can down the road and a trade costs us assets, if we are even able to get someone to take him at all.
Just ride out the contract while playing Heinola and Chisholm ahead of him.

Don't forget we've been very lucky to remain mostly injury free on the back end so far this season. That can turn into 3 guys on the IR in the blink of an eye. Then it will be nice to have Schmidt around and ready to step in.

 

[Jet]

Shoot.
Him.
Into.
Space.

 

[hockeyarena]

Bought out this summer for sure. Gonna have a shitload of cap space next year

 

[Boreal]

Injuries will hit, and while he’s kind of fecal as a player now, he’s a good personality to trot out into community events. Grossly overpaid, but we have no reason to rid ourselves of him. I’ve seen Randy Jones, Derek Meech, Jay Harrison and Logan Stanley skate here. We’ve known worse than our current Schmidty press box D man.

 

[surixon]

If I'm not mistaken, Wheeler was only the second buyout in Jets 2.0 history. I think TNSE views buyouts as a last resort. I have a hard time imagining them executing buyouts in back to back off seasons.

I personally don't see a problem with having Schmidt as our 8th D and sitting in the press box until injuries dictate that he is needed. He is still a serviceable defenceman, he is just overpaid. A buyout kicks the can down the road and a trade costs us assets, if we are even able to get someone to take him at all.
Just ride out the contract while playing Heinola and Chisholm ahead of him.

Don't forget we've been very lucky to remain mostly injury free on the back end so far this season. That can turn into 3 guys on the IR in the blink of an eye. Then it will be nice to have Schmidt around and ready to step in.

The issue is his caphit prevents the team from keeping better players. You can say good buy to one of Dillion/DeMelo if Schmidt is eating popcorn in the PB costing $6 million.

The team is going to have to pay Perfetti atleast $4 million on a bridge if he keeps this up. That's in addition to the $4 million in cap increase with the Helle and Scheifele extension.

 

[Teppo Numenor]

He has myocarditis and needs to go on LTIR

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Let's get Sami Niku back here to be Nate's personal chauffeur.

 

[Atoyot]

I think Schmidt in general helps the team more than Pionk. I get that Pionk has more offensive flair, but Schmidt does better in the defensive zone and I believe that Heinola and/or Chisholm can replace Pionk's offensive output while being better defensively. Schmidt defends really well, but he's considered an offensive defensemen so his 1 point in 20 games makes it look like he's underperforming. His defensive numbers have been fantastic since the beginning of last season, it might be time to start judging him based on those numbers. He continues to do really well defensively while pushing the play forward.

 

[AtomicJets]

The issue is his caphit prevents the team from keeping better players. You can say good buy to one of Dillion/DeMelo if Schmidt is eating popcorn in the PB costing $6 million.

The team is going to have to pay Perfetti atleast $4 million on a bridge if he keeps this up. That's in addition to the $4 million in cap increase with the Helle and Scheifele extension.

I don't think it's that simple. The cap is projected to rise dramatically to 87.7M and we don't know what kind of contracts DeMelo and Dillon will be in line for. DeMelo will be in line for a raise but Dillon won't. If you can sign them both for 7M total, and Perfetti for 4M, that would fit under a 87.7M cap with 2M left for a backup goalie.

 

[Jet]

I think Schmidt in general helps the team more than Pionk. I get that Pionk has more offensive flair, but Schmidt does better in the defensive zone and I believe that Heinola and/or Chisholm can replace Pionk's offensive output while being better defensively. Schmidt defends really well, but he's considered an offensive defensemen so his 1 point in 20 games makes it look like he's underperforming. His defensive numbers have been fantastic since the beginning of last season, it might be time to start judging him based on those numbers. He continues to do really well defensively while pushing the play forward.

No way. Pionk is better defensively than 88 and at least he's physical, and always works his ass off.

The pairing of 4 and 5 has been a solid 2nd pair for us this year

 

[nhlpro]

Shoot him into the North pole.

 

[surixon]

I don't think it's that simple. The cap is projected to rise dramatically to 87.7M and we don't know what kind of contracts DeMelo and Dillon will be in line for. DeMelo will be in line for a raise but Dillon won't. If you can sign them both for 7M total, and Perfetti for 4M, that would fit under a 87.7M cap with 2M left for a backup goalie.

It doesn’t work. I've done the math, we are over by about 2 million:

LW C RW
KC Scheifele Vilardi
$7,142,857.00 $8,500,000.00 $3,427,500.00 $19,070,357.00
Iafallo Perfetti Ehlers
$4,000,000.00 $4,000,000.00 $6,000,000.00 $14,000,000.00
Nino Lowry Appelton
$4,000,000.00 $3,250,000.00 $2,166,667.00 $9,416,667.00
Barron Kupari Namestinkov
$1,350,000.00 $1,000,000.00 $2,000,000.00 $4,350,000.00
Gus 850000 850000
$47,687,024.00


defense
JoMo DeMelo
$6,250,000.00 $4,000,000.00 $10,250,000.00
Snerg Pionk
$1,400,000.00 $5,875,000.00 $7,275,000.00
Dillion schmidt
$3,500,000.00 $5,900,000.00 $9,400,000.00
Chisholm heinola
$850,000.00 $1,000,000.00 $1,850,000.00
$28,775,000.00

goalies
Helle
$8,500,000.00 8500000
backup
$1,500,000.00 1500000
$10,000,000.00
wheeler buyout
$2,750,000.00 $2,750,000.00

$89,212,024.00
cap $87,500,000.00
-$1,712,024.00

 

[WolfHouse]

He 'could' fit with a team like Montreal or Chicago if his locker room rep really is that good... Jets have the ability to retain

Again, I'd look at Kovacevic for Schmidt (retained) and forward prospect (Zhilkin?) - with DeMelo and Pionk on their game we don't need a top 4 (not that there's one available) but size would help in the playoffs

If Hughes can get Schmidt to waive his NTC next year at TD, he is still an asset with value just on playoff reputation

 

[WolfHouse]

It doesn’t work. I've done the math, we are over by about 2 million:

LW C RW
KC Scheifele Vilardi
$7,142,857.00 $8,500,000.00 $3,427,500.00 $19,070,357.00
Iafallo Perfetti Ehlers
$4,000,000.00 $4,000,000.00 $6,000,000.00 $14,000,000.00
Nino Lowry Appelton
$4,000,000.00 $3,250,000.00 $2,166,667.00 $9,416,667.00
Barron Kupari Namestinkov
$1,350,000.00 $1,000,000.00 $2,000,000.00 $4,350,000.00
Gus 850000 850000
$47,687,024.00


defense
JoMo DeMelo
$6,250,000.00 $4,000,000.00 $10,250,000.00
Snerg Pionk
$1,400,000.00 $5,875,000.00 $7,275,000.00
Dillion schmidt
$3,500,000.00 $5,900,000.00 $9,400,000.00
Chisholm heinola
$850,000.00 $1,000,000.00 $1,850,000.00
$28,775,000.00

goalies
Helle
$8,500,000.00 8500000
backup
$1,500,000.00 1500000
$10,000,000.00
wheeler buyout
$2,750,000.00 $2,750,000.00

$89,212,024.00
cap $87,500,000.00
-$1,712,024.00

DD or Milic will be backup next year so that 750k... I can't see Schmidt on the roster

Dillon will get more than 3.5 on the open market - he is still a very solid D with size so I think we lose him

JM-DeMelo
Samberg-Pionk
Chisholm-Heinola
Capo-Bauer

Still near the cap with a Schmidt buyout but enough for a value Nino/Names type signing...

 

[surixon]

3.9m for Dillon

I have him at a paycut and DeMelo at a raise

 

[10Ducky10]

I have him at a paycut and DeMelo at a raise

Yeah, deleted that comment. I forgot his contract ended this year. I really don't see him coming back though.

 

[NA Hockey]

It doesn’t work. I've done the math, we are over by about 2 million:

LW C RW
KC Scheifele Vilardi
$7,142,857.00 $8,500,000.00 $3,427,500.00 $19,070,357.00
Iafallo Perfetti Ehlers
$4,000,000.00 $4,000,000.00 $6,000,000.00 $14,000,000.00
Nino Lowry Appelton
$4,000,000.00 $3,250,000.00 $2,166,667.00 $9,416,667.00
Barron Kupari Namestinkov
$1,350,000.00 $1,000,000.00 $2,000,000.00 $4,350,000.00
Gus 850000 850000
$47,687,024.00


defense
JoMo DeMelo
$6,250,000.00 $4,000,000.00 $10,250,000.00
Snerg Pionk
$1,400,000.00 $5,875,000.00 $7,275,000.00
Dillion schmidt
$3,500,000.00 $5,900,000.00 $9,400,000.00
Chisholm heinola
$850,000.00 $1,000,000.00 $1,850,000.00
$28,775,000.00

goalies
Helle
$8,500,000.00 8500000
backup
$1,500,000.00 1500000
$10,000,000.00
wheeler buyout
$2,750,000.00 $2,750,000.00

$89,212,024.00
cap $87,500,000.00
-$1,712,024.00

You think Perfetti is going to sign a bridge for $4M? Zegras got $5.8/year for three years and Perfetti is better than him. You don't think they will go long term with him? They have for every other player of his pedigree in 2.0 that would sign long term.

 

[AtomicJets]

It doesn’t work. I've done the math, we are over by about 2 million:

LW C RW
KC Scheifele Vilardi
$7,142,857.00 $8,500,000.00 $3,427,500.00 $19,070,357.00
Iafallo Perfetti Ehlers
$4,000,000.00 $4,000,000.00 $6,000,000.00 $14,000,000.00
Nino Lowry Appelton
$4,000,000.00 $3,250,000.00 $2,166,667.00 $9,416,667.00
Barron Kupari Namestinkov
$1,350,000.00 $1,000,000.00 $2,000,000.00 $4,350,000.00
Gus 850000 850000
$47,687,024.00


defense
JoMo DeMelo
$6,250,000.00 $4,000,000.00 $10,250,000.00
Snerg Pionk
$1,400,000.00 $5,875,000.00 $7,275,000.00
Dillion schmidt
$3,500,000.00 $5,900,000.00 $9,400,000.00
Chisholm heinola
$850,000.00 $1,000,000.00 $1,850,000.00
$28,775,000.00

goalies
Helle
$8,500,000.00 8500000
backup
$1,500,000.00 1500000
$10,000,000.00
wheeler buyout
$2,750,000.00 $2,750,000.00

$89,212,024.00
cap $87,500,000.00
-$1,712,024.00

Thanks for the detailed breakdown. It's tight but not impossible. You can find the extra 1.5 by only dressing 22 skaters and paying a bit less for your backup goalie. To me that's a better solution than adding buyout penalties to the cap in the next season or trading away a high pick to get someone to take Schmidt.

 

[AtomicJets]

You think Perfetti is going to sign a bridge for $4M? Zegras got $5.8/year for three years and Perfetti is better than him. You don't think they will go long term with him? They have for every other player of his pedigree in 2.0 that would sign long term.

That's an interesting question. Not sure Zegras is a great comparable for Perfetti. He had back to back 20+ goal 60+ point seasons. Players still get paid based on numbers. However if the Jets do go long term with Perfetti that changes the calculations significantly.