What the HELL is going on with Henrik Lundqvist?

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Just an example. Fredrik Andersen has played rly well this year for the Ducks. He is still not better than Hiller. 10 games with 9 wins and 1 loss and 93% save is impressive , but a small sample size. Thats my point. Talbot and Andersen are the NeXT gen of goaltenders, but they are not rdy yet.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=15205

Talbot really isn't young enough to be considered the next generation. Honestly in see him at his best right now. I can't see him developing much more.
 
Those two posters seem to just not get hockey very much. But hey what can you do? Some people are wrong and stubborn in their opinions. We know what we saw during Hank's entire career and we know the importance of sample sizes and not hitting the panic buttons.

It IS a VERY distinct possibility that Henrik's body is simply getting older and his play has declined as a result which of course would be very bad.

It is also very likely that he will regain his form later this year or next and continue to play at or near the level we've always seen.

We also have a very very poor group of forwards and at least 2 shoddy D men. It's a crappy team this year tbh and I feel most of the issues are bc of that and not bc of Hank despite the fact that yea he has struggled plenty on his own too.
 
Those two posters seem to just not get hockey very much. But hey what can you do? Some people are wrong and stubborn in their opinions. We know what we saw during Hank's entire career and we know the importance of sample sizes and not hitting the panic buttons.

It IS a VERY distinct possibility that Henrik's body is simply getting older and his play has declined as a result which of course would be very bad.

It is also very likely that he will regain his form later this year or next and continue to play at or near the level we've always seen.

We also have a very very poor group of forwards and at least 2 shoddy D men. It's a crappy team this year tbh and I feel most of the issues are bc of that and not bc of Hank despite the fact that yea he has struggled plenty on his own too.

I agree. Not sure what the panic is all about
 
some of these posts on hank. I just smh. Hes having a bad year no doubt but people are already running him out of town.
 
A lot of people forget about the Dallas game earlier this year. For all those people who claim he's losing a step or breaking down. That game proves everyone wrong.

He isn't even THAT bad this year, he's let in as many soft goals as every other goalie in the league. Most people here just don't watch any other games, let alone NHL tonight or highlights online to see all the other goals against scored around the entire league.

The result of his stats are directly related to the piss poor team in front of him. We don't have goal support, and our defense has been atrocious all year long. These guys are NHLers, they are going to score goals against Henrik Lundqvist. Some people think he's some kind of cyborg and he will stop everything no matter what.

His confidence is shook because the pressure on him to CARRY the ENTIRE TEAM on a nightly basis is more than a goalie is supposed to have to deal with. The team in front of him is supposed to win games by scoring more goals than the opponent, not having their goalie prevent goals being scored and hope they can win the game 1-0.

Once the team tightens up and they get a few games in front of Hank that they turn to wins, you'll see his statistics make a turn around.
 
A lot of people forget about the Dallas game earlier this year. For all those people who claim he's losing a step or breaking down. That game proves everyone wrong.

He isn't even THAT bad this year, he's let in as many soft goals as every other goalie in the league. Most people here just don't watch any other games, let alone NHL tonight or highlights online to see all the other goals against scored around the entire league.

The result of his stats are directly related to the piss poor team in front of him. We don't have goal support, and our defense has been atrocious all year long. These guys are NHLers, they are going to score goals against Henrik Lundqvist. Some people think he's some kind of cyborg and he will stop everything no matter what.

His confidence is shook because the pressure on him to CARRY the ENTIRE TEAM on a nightly basis is more than a goalie is supposed to have to deal with. The team in front of him is supposed to win games by scoring more goals than the opponent, not having their goalie prevent goals being scored and hope they can win the game 1-0.

Once the team tightens up and they get a few games in front of Hank that they turn to wins, you'll see his statistics make a turn around.

Yes but he always needs to fix his positioning. That is CLEARLY off. Another thing is, Hanke is the best 1 on 1 player in the league and he hasn't shown it this year when you see breakaways and the shootouts. Again that comes back to his positioning. I think real hockey people even the media will just think this is an abarition this season. People need to get a grip if Cam Talbot if the future of this team. I would like to play the hell out of him and sell high on him.
 
Yes but he always needs to fix his positioning. That is CLEARLY off. Another thing is, Hanke is the best 1 on 1 player in the league and he hasn't shown it this year when you see breakaways and the shootouts. Again that comes back to his positioning. I think real hockey people even the media will just think this is an abarition this season. People need to get a grip if Cam Talbot if the future of this team. I would like to play the hell out of him and sell high on him.

the positioning problems are due to his confidence issues. They are, no doubt, directly related to eachother... He's fighting the opponent/puck in the most uncomfortable manner, and that is NOT due to him breaking down...

He's a bit shaken up... Lord knows why, but I'm lead to believe him having a relatively new child in this world is weighing on him.

Absolutely agree that Talbot is NOT the future of this team. Not yet anyway. In 5 years, perhaps? but I would doubt so, especially with that contract Hank has.

Also, for those crying about his caphit (why still, I cannot answer for you)... think about this.

a) By 2015-16/2016-17, the cap will be at $85M at least... Hank's contract becomes 10% of the cap. That's not a large number for the goaltender, especially a guy who carries the team on his back.

b) Don't sit here and tell me that a team like Philly wouldn't pay him $10M per year... because you know they would
 
the positioning problems are due to his confidence issues. They are, no doubt, directly related to eachother... He's fighting the opponent/puck in the most uncomfortable manner, and that is NOT due to him breaking down...

He's a bit shaken up... Lord knows why, but I'm lead to believe him having a relatively new child in this world is weighing on him.

Absolutely agree that Talbot is NOT the future of this team. Not yet anyway. In 5 years, perhaps? but I would doubt so, especially with that contract Hank has

You get exactly where i am coming from. We could go on and on. Although I dont think it is the baby he had not too long ago, I would confidently venture to say the contract issues weighed on him until he got it done. IMO thats more the case.
 
the positioning problems are due to his confidence issues. They are, no doubt, directly related to eachother... He's fighting the opponent/puck in the most uncomfortable manner, and that is NOT due to him breaking down...

He's a bit shaken up... Lord knows why, but I'm lead to believe him having a relatively new child in this world is weighing on him.

Absolutely agree that Talbot is NOT the future of this team. Not yet anyway. In 5 years, perhaps? but I would doubt so, especially with that contract Hank has

I am a goalie coach, and have been playing the position for 20 years. For someone like Henrik who is the same age as I am, and been playing the same amount of time, you don't magically forget how to play your angles based off of a net that is 6 feet wide and 4 feet high. Its ingrained in you.

His positioning/angles aren't the issue. It's not a technical issue. Its a confidence issue related to the poor team in front of him.

What you are seeing is a sup-par team with little talent, trying to play an uptempo, offensive system and failing miserably at it. Mix that with horrendous defensive coverage, and you have the opposite team getting grade a, prime scoring chances that are going to be buried on any NHL goaltender.

If our defense tightened up to what it was a couple years ago, and we had goal scoring talent (not 28th in the league), you would see us preventing prime scoring chances by the other team, having Henrik to take care of the regular shots, and make a few good saves, and then having our offense bury a few goals and win the hockey games the way you win hockey games….by SCORING GOALS.
 
He isn't even THAT bad this year, he's let in as many soft goals as every other goalie in the league. Most people here just don't watch any other games, let alone NHL tonight or highlights online to see all the other goals against scored around the entire league.

lol, what?

He's been terrible this year. Even compared to other goalies in the league. No idea how you can say anything but.
 
You get exactly where i am coming from. We could go on and on. Although I dont think it is the baby he had not too long ago, I would confidently venture to say the contract issues weighed on him until he got it done. IMO thats more the case.

Yes. Possibly the baby AND the contract issues. Realistically, that is HIS future... His contract is his income, which provides for his family and child. No doubt, both were weighing on him...

Lastly, if Hank was indeed breaking down, we would start seeing obscure injuries, concussion issues, etc. Basically, Hank would be turning into Dubnyk, and practically overnight. That's NOT what is at hand here.

I believe the reason everyone is flipping out over this is because for all of pre-season we were saying "this is just preseason"...
 
People are unhappy with the contract because that's the type of deal Hank should have gotten if he were turning 27 or 28, not 32.
 
my biggest issue with Hank this year is his antics after a goal is scored against him. He basically throws a temper tantrum and looks up at the sky like "why me?". This is probably making the Dmen tighten up and not play loose. When they play with Talbot behind them they just seem more loose and have more confidence.

Im not blaming hank soley for the Defense issues but those reactions post goal need to stop or he will start alienating himself from the team, if he already hasnt.
 
Don't sit here and tell me that a team like Philly wouldn't pay him $10M per year... because you know they would

That's just the worst justification of anything I have ever read.

Not hyperbole.

Sather should have waited to see how Lundqvist would adapt to the new system before hog-tying the team with that sizable contract. Everyone here agrees that the teflon GM is probably the main problem with the Rangers, after all, especially when it comes to signing players. Sather is blamed for many of the team's ills, and rightfully so. Why then, defend yet another bad decision by a guy who is know for making bad decisions?

Based on the comment I quoted I would have to even go as far as to say that the decision to give Lundqvist that contract equals or exceeds even Holmgren levels of impulsiveness. If Lundqvist doesn't rebound, or if he just ages normally, the opportunity cost of this move will have been very high by the time the contract expires or Lundqvist is bought out.
 
That's just the worst justification of anything I have ever read.

Not hyperbole.

Sather should have waited to see how Lundqvist would adapt to the new system before hog-tying the team with that sizable contract. Everyone here agrees that the teflon GM is probably the main problem with the Rangers, after all, especially when it comes to signing players. Sather is blamed for many of the team's ills, and rightfully so. Why then, defend yet another bad decision by a guy who is know for making bad decisions?

Based on the comment I quoted I would have to even go as far as to say that the decision to give Lundqvist that contract equals or exceeds even Holmgren levels of impulsiveness. If Lundqvist doesn't rebound, or if he just ages normally, the opportunity cost of this move will have been very high by the time the contract expires or Lundqvist is bought out.

And if Sather had failed to resign Hank? what then? Then we would have Biron and Talbot. Talbot at that time not a NHL goalie and we knew that Biron as the starter would be the same as tanking for high draft picks. Every manager in this League would have offered him that contract.
 
And if Sather had failed to resign Hank? what then? Then we would have Biron and Talbot. Talbot at that time not a NHL goalie and we knew that Biron as the starter would be the same as tanking for high draft picks. Every manager in this League would have offered him that contract.

Sadly you have just proved that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. :)
Try to google or otherwise find out when Hankie's current contract expires, the timing when he was given a 7-year extension and when this extension actually will be effective; when Biron actually decided to retire and when and why Talbot actually played his first NHL games...
 
http://overthewhitestone.org/2013/12/19/the-king-from-a-distance/

Very interesting article + perspective on why Lundqvist is struggling

What is true is that the shot distribution against the Rangers this season is different from last season. Taking blocked shots out of the equation, using Fenwick, the Rangers rank 16th in total Fenwick against this season, compared to 10th last season.

The Rangers are blocking less shots, allowing more shot attempts, and King Henrik is letting in more goals. Whether those three things tie together by the different coaching strategies of the past two seasons is difficult to say. The shot distribution in terms of average distance does not necessarily correlate with the number of blocked shots. If the Rangers are giving up more quality scoring chances, and as a result, King Henrik is struggling to put up the superhero save percentages he has in the past, it may be because under Vigneault the team is less disciplined defensively. But it doesn’t seem fair to say it is simply because they are blocking less shots without Tortorella.

The theory seems to be he's facing higher quality shots, closer to him. And they are getting through more than before because shot blocking hasn't been nearly as prevalent as last year.

Thought it was an interesting read.

I also agree that Hank has to stop with those stupid temper tantrums when he lets in a goal. They're almost embarrassing to watch.
 
my biggest issue with Hank this year is his antics after a goal is scored against him. He basically throws a temper tantrum and looks up at the sky like "why me?". This is probably making the Dmen tighten up and not play loose. When they play with Talbot behind them they just seem more loose and have more confidence.

Im not blaming hank soley for the Defense issues but those reactions post goal need to stop or he will start alienating himself from the team, if he already hasnt.

Agreed. I don't know what the point is, whether he's blaming someone or getting mad at himself, but it makes me uncomfortable. Seems like he takes it too hard. Too much drama.
 
At least Lundqvist actually shows some an emotion and anger when things go wrong. There are some players on this team who give an aura of not caring when the team plays like ****, as if they are too comfortable with losing.
 
I am a goalie coach, and have been playing the position for 20 years. For someone like Henrik who is the same age as I am, and been playing the same amount of time, you don't magically forget how to play your angles based off of a net that is 6 feet wide and 4 feet high. Its ingrained in you.

His positioning/angles aren't the issue. It's not a technical issue. Its a confidence issue related to the poor team in front of him.

What you are seeing is a sup-par team with little talent, trying to play an uptempo, offensive system and failing miserably at it. Mix that with horrendous defensive coverage, and you have the opposite team getting grade a, prime scoring chances that are going to be buried on any NHL goaltender.

If our defense tightened up to what it was a couple years ago, and we had goal scoring talent (not 28th in the league), you would see us preventing prime scoring chances by the other team, having Henrik to take care of the regular shots, and make a few good saves, and then having our offense bury a few goals and win the hockey games the way you win hockey games….by SCORING GOALS.

Great post. You play differently when you know your team has the ability to light the lamp more than 1-2 times a game. I think the no-goal support has caught up with him making him over play some shots, and has him uncomfortable. I've been there, he'll be fine.
 
Sadly you have just proved that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. :)
Try to google or otherwise find out when Hankie's current contract expires, the timing when he was given a 7-year extension and when this extension actually will be effective; when Biron actually decided to retire and when and why Talbot actually played his first NHL games...

I know all about his contract. Its not a bad contract. He has carried this team on his back for 6-7 years. Ive followed some rly bad teams over the years. They all had in common one thing, bad goaltending and just rly bad goaltenders. The blue jackets With Mason, Budaj for the avs etc. Those teams (back then) would pay alot more than the rangers for a goalie like Hank. That much is certain.

Without Hank we would be tanking and we wouldnt get anything for it :(

Biron retired early this season. Talbot got his nhl debut this season. So Sather had to keep Hank. The Cannucks had two elite goalies and decided to keep Luongo and not Schneider. The rangers had no Choice. We had one elite goalie, an old fill in and an unproved AHL goalie With not that impressive stats. Worst case senario would be that Hank wanted to leave and more or less forced a trade. Carter did that in CBJ. Why do u think so many posters are concerned about Girardi and Callahans future? Maybe because they want big contracts, other and better teams want them etc.


A smart general manager would do whatever it takes to keep one of the best goalies in the world. So no YOU dnt know what u are talking about. Whats the differense between the Rangers and Flyers? Goalies! Talbot wont be able to make us a cup contender. He is a nobody compared to Quick, Rinne and Rask. So if Hank dosent step up soon then we are screwed.
 
I know all about his contract. Its not a bad contract. He has carried this team on his back for 6-7 years. Ive followed some rly bad teams over the years. They all had in common one thing, bad goaltending and just rly bad goaltenders. The blue jackets With Mason, Budaj for the avs etc. Those teams (back then) would pay alot more than the rangers for a goalie like Hank. That much is certain.

Without Hank we would be tanking and we wouldnt get anything for it :(

Biron retired early this season. Talbot got his nhl debut this season. So Sather had to keep Hank. The Cannucks had two elite goalies and decided to keep Luongo and not Schneider. The rangers had no Choice. We had one elite goalie, an old fill in and an unproved AHL goalie With not that impressive stats. Worst case senario would be that Hank wanted to leave and more or less forced a trade. Carter did that in CBJ. Why do u think so many posters are concerned about Girardi and Callahans future? Maybe because they want big contracts, other and better teams want them etc.


A smart general manager would do whatever it takes to keep one of the best goalies in the world. So no YOU dnt know what u are talking about. Whats the differense between the Rangers and Flyers? Goalies! Talbot wont be able to make us a cup contender. He is a nobody compared to Quick, Rinne and Rask. So if Hank dosent step up soon then we are screwed.

People forget there are teams in the league with **** goaltending. Hell, people forget there are other teams in the league
 
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