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What the HELL is going on with Henrik Lundqvist?

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The Rangers are now 3rd in the EC in shots against and 10th in the NHL.

Lundqvist is now 28th in the NHL in both GAA and SVPCT.

His December stats? 2-3-1 with a 3.42 GAA and .878 SVPCT.

He's allowed 3 goals or more in 13 of 25 games -- more than half.

He's faced 30 shots or more in only 6 of 25 games.Carey Price has faced 30 or more shots 15 times in 27 games, and is 6th in GAA and 3rd in SVPCT.

The idea that it's the team's fault because he's been garbage for 3/4 of the season is getting tired. Dont worry, guys. You can still light the candles every night for the Lundqvist Shrine on your dresser. It still wont make him a better goalie.
 
GWOW said:
The Rangers are now 3rd in the EC in shots against and 10th in the NHL.

Lundqvist is now 28th in the NHL in both GAA and SVPCT.

His December stats? 2-3-1 with a 3.42 GAA and .878 SVPCT.

He's allowed 3 goals or more in 13 of 25 games -- more than half.

He's faced 30 shots or more in only 6 of 25 games.Carey Price has faced 30 or more shots 15 times in 27 games, and is 6th in GAA and 3rd in SVPCT.

The idea that it's the team's fault because he's been garbage for 3/4 of the season is getting tired. Dont worry, guys. You can still light the candles every night for the Lundqvist Shrine on your dresser. It still wont make him a better goalie.
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8.5. But but but but the cap is going up it's all good!
 
GWOW said:
I have no problem with him being a Ranger or his cap hit. He deserves it, and he's going through a funk.

But he's going through a funk. Too bad half the fanbase doesnt want to admit it.
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I agree. The rest of the team is right there with him
 
GWOW said:
I have no problem with him being a Ranger or his cap hit. He deserves it, and he's going through a funk.

But he's going through a funk. Too bad half the fanbase doesnt want to admit it.
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Haven't heard any that don't want to admit he's in a funk. But I've heard plenty that say he's washed up though
 
GordonGecko said:
Haven't heard any that don't want to admit he's in a funk. But I've heard plenty that say he's washed up though
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Elite Goalies don't get washed up. In fact, a ton have proven to find the fountain of youth well into their late 30s. Osgood was outstanding in 2008. Thomas, Belfour, Brodeur, Hasek, Roy, etc.

Henrik will get to a SCF before his career is through. He came two games from doing it himself in 2012. He'll seal the deal the next chance he gets to the CF.

I have a feeling he will dominate again this season. He's too good to be BSing every game. It's clearly mental.
 
GWOW said:
I have no problem with him being a Ranger or his cap hit. He deserves it, and he's going through a funk.

But he's going through a funk. Too bad half the fanbase doesnt want to admit it.
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What funk? It's December, look at calendar. Lundqvist has always been below his par between Thanksgiving and Christmas, except for his Vezina year arguably. That 11-12 season and the last year when no one played in December made people to forget that Hank is no good this time. He has slow start in early Oct, then misses December, has tough time in February (or March esp. in Olympic year) and doesn't still games in April and after. So he is back to his normal self. So are our Rangers, like it or not, because he is the best of them all.
No matter how much I posted against him over the years, I have never doubted that he is an elite goalie. All elite Gs have their valleys and picks. The solution is a capable backup.
 
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GWOW said:
The Rangers are now 3rd in the EC in shots against and 10th in the NHL.

Lundqvist is now 28th in the NHL in both GAA and SVPCT.

His December stats? 2-3-1 with a 3.42 GAA and .878 SVPCT.

He's allowed 3 goals or more in 13 of 25 games -- more than half.

He's faced 30 shots or more in only 6 of 25 games.Carey Price has faced 30 or more shots 15 times in 27 games, and is 6th in GAA and 3rd in SVPCT.

The idea that it's the team's fault because he's been garbage for 3/4 of the season is getting tired. Dont worry, guys. You can still light the candles every night for the Lundqvist Shrine on your dresser. It still wont make him a better goalie.
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What if what I am lighting is an effigy and not a candle, is that bad? :baghead:
 
He's playing like ****. He's off his game, its clear and he has admitted that.

When he's on his game? Best goalie in the league.

What am I missing? It seems pretty simple
 
Pretty easy to say. He's slumping. It happens to every athlete at some point. The fact that him playing less than stellar is something that warrants this conversation is a testament to his consistency over the years. He'll bounce back soon.
 
Guy has earned every single penny of that luxurious contract. We also have a stud backup - lets not be to worried about this, lots of goals out of his control.
 
Hank is struggling, so are Callahan, Girardi, Staal, DZ, Hagelin, Stepan, Brasssard, Boyle and John Moore.
I don't think it''s a matter of individual players anymore.
I think it's a matter of AV not doing what he knows he needs to do:
“My job as the coach is to analyze the personnel I have and put a system in place that best suits them,†Vigneault said. “That’s my responsibility. That’s what I’m trying to do right now.â€
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http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/rangerrants/preds_4_rangers_1_cally_out_4-6_weeks/

He hasn't seemed to make that "system" work yet.
 
Kwayry said:
Hank is struggling, so are Callahan, Girardi, Staal, DZ, Hagelin, Stepan, Brasssard, Boyle and John Moore.
I don't think it''s a matter of individual players anymore.
I think it's a matter of AV not doing what he knows he needs to do:

http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/rangerrants/preds_4_rangers_1_cally_out_4-6_weeks/

He hasn't seemed to make that "system" work yet.
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Silly AV, doesn't he know that he cant make adjustments? He can coach in precisely 1 way, and all adjustments must be made by Sather.

Its not his job to make them play well, or play hard, or play as a team. He is there to draw a single set of X's and O's on a marker board.

The rest is on Sather and the players.
 
He may be in a funk but what if he is just an above average goalie in AV's normal hockey system and not torts' 6 goalie suicide block shots system?

Above average is more than acceptable but not for an $8.5 mio annual salary (I know I know, cap is going up so it's peanuts + he's the king, carried the team by himself the last 7 years, took us to the ECF, etc etc).

Only time will tell.
 
I hated his contract extension from the second I saw it. He's a ticking time bomb to become an untradeable albatross with his NMC. A truly stupid deal. Giving any goalie north of $7M is asinine. For $8.5M per year I'm basically expecting inhuman performances night in and night out. Right now, he's not even performing up to his current cap hit of $6.875M.

I would have strongly preferred playing Cam at $0.563M and trading Lundqvist over giving Hank that horrid extension.
 
KingWantsCup said:
I hated his contract extension from the second I saw it. He's a ticking time bomb to become an untradeable albatross with his NMC. A truly stupid deal. Giving any goalie north of $7M is asinine. For $8.5M per year I'm basically expecting inhuman performances night in and night out. Right now, he's not even performing up to his current cap hit of $6.875M.

I would have strongly preferred playing Cam at $0.563M and trading Lundqvist over giving Hank that horrid extension.
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I've explained it a million times….

08-09: $6.875m of a $56.7m cap = 12.1% of team cap

14-15: $8.5m of a $70m cap = 12.1% of team cap

Not to mention the cap is going to continue to rise, so as his contract goes on, he will cost LESS AND LESS to the team than he EVER did.

What is so hard to understand about this?
 
nevesis said:
I've explained it a million times….

08-09: $6.875m of a $56.7m cap = 12.1% of team cap

14-15: $8.5m of a $70m cap = 12.1% of team cap

Not to mention the cap is going to continue to rise, so as his contract goes on, he will cost LESS AND LESS to the team than he EVER did.

What is so hard to understand about this?
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You're trying to frame the discussion into a winnable argument for you. The real question is not how much of a cap hit our goalie absorbs, but, regardless of what the cap hit is, what else we could have done with the cap room.

I'm on record as saying while I do not like the contract, we had no choice but to give it to him...mostly because Sather is a buffoon and he has no idea how to build a team any other way.
 
Jersey Girl said:
You're trying to frame the discussion into a winnable argument for you. The real question is not how much of a cap hit our goalie absorbs, but, regardless of what the cap hit is, what else we could have done with the cap room.

I'm on record as saying while I do not like the contract, we had no choice but to give it to him...mostly because Sather is a buffoon and he has no idea how to build a team any other way.
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I'd say it is logically put. If they sign a lesser goalie to a cheaper contract, what could they add? Will that one player impact the team more than a top goalie? Is a 2 million dollar 4th liner, Btw that will be the going rate for a good 4th liner with a cap increase and a 6.5 million goalie be better than Hank and a replacement player? It already was with Prust at 2.5M. Is Talbot going to be as good playing more games? We know what Hank brings. Would we rather have an unknown and an extra 4th possibly 3rd liner or Hank?

Also the percentage is the same. It is a monetary raise, but in the hockey world, asset wise, the money is the same as outlined above. It will not restrict them from getting other players that will impact the roster because it prevents Sather from spending that 2 million on a Brashear or Boogaard.
 
nevesis said:
I've explained it a million times….

08-09: $6.875m of a $56.7m cap = 12.1% of team cap

14-15: $8.5m of a $70m cap = 12.1% of team cap

Not to mention the cap is going to continue to rise, so as his contract goes on, he will cost LESS AND LESS to the team than he EVER did.

What is so hard to understand about this?
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People who keep saying that the cap will continue to go up up up are starting to sound a lot like the folks who made the same claim about the real estate market
 
nevesis said:
I've explained it a million times….

08-09: $6.875m of a $56.7m cap = 12.1% of team cap

14-15: $8.5m of a $70m cap = 12.1% of team cap

Not to mention the cap is going to continue to rise, so as his contract goes on, he will cost LESS AND LESS to the team than he EVER did.

What is so hard to understand about this?
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The cap will continue to rise, yes. The rate that players in their 30s decline will always exceed the growth of the cap, though. The cap rose $19.9 million over the life of Gomez' contract. Didn't make it a great one.

The cap will increase for all other goalies contracts, too. And Lundqvist's still crushes them all.
 
mrjimmyg89 said:
I'd say it is logically put. If they sign a lesser goalie to a cheaper contract, what could they add? Will that one player impact the team more than a top goalie? Is a 2 million dollar 4th liner, Btw that will be the going rate for a good 4th liner with a cap increase and a 6.5 million goalie be better than Hank and a replacement player? It already was with Prust at 2.5M. Is Talbot going to be as good playing more games? We know what Hank brings. Would we rather have an unknown and an extra 4th possibly 3rd liner or Hank?

Also the percentage is the same. It is a monetary raise, but in the hockey world, asset wise, the money is the same as outlined above. It will not restrict them from getting other players that will impact the roster because it prevents Sather from spending that 2 million on a Brashear or Boogaard.
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At least someone understands it. Thanks for being one of the intelligent ones. :yo:
 
McD27 said:
He may be in a funk but what if he is just an above average goalie in AV's normal hockey system and not torts' 6 goalie suicide block shots system?

Above average is more than acceptable but not for an $8.5 mio annual salary (I know I know, cap is going up so it's peanuts + he's the king, carried the team by himself the last 7 years, took us to the ECF, etc etc).

Only time will tell.
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Back up a bit to his first 2-3 years in the league. He was just as good and we did not see the super shot blocking 6 goalies mentality until torts' last 2 or 3 years here so it's not as simple as that.
 
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