kilowatt
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Danault was literally Montreal’s 1C in the Stanley Cup Finals last season so you’re wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Danault was literally Montreal’s 1C in the Stanley Cup Finals last season so you’re wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Are you talking about the player who scored 1 goal and 4 points total in 22 playoff games?
kilowatt
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Yep. That’s the one. Whether you like it or not, he was their 1C.
I seriously hope you are not holding up that run as an example of him being a legitimate 1C. That team had a negative goal differential in the regular season and lost 8 more games than they won. I mean, that team would not have even made the playoffs if they did not have modified playoff rules as they finished 9th in the east and 18th overall in the league. He also had less TOI than Suzuki during that regular season, so his status as a 1C for that team is questionable. That's not even adding that he will be 32 during this hypothetical season, his best run as a 1C literally ended with his team 18th in the league and we are supposed to assume the Kings will do better when he is 3 years older?
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Outside of Price, I don't think there's a MTL Canadien more responsible for their playoff success, despite the scoring woes.
Raccoon Jesus
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Danault had something absurd like 70% dzone starts with MTL which allowed Suzuki and...Evans? Free reign in the playoffs, it was very unusual deployment and I believe one of the reasons he was like 'f*** this I'm out' even though that line's results were massive from an ice-tilting perspective (not raw scoring and I also believe the criticism without the credit is another reason).
I wouldn't necessarily call him a 'traditional' 1C but the results speak for themselves, even this year, he's def. our best C and I imagine TM and co are going to use him head to head with McDavid again. Bergeron was 'only' a 50-60 points guy in a similar role too until Marchand and Pastrnak started to take off and his deployment loosened. I guess in this case it's more that Danault is 40-55 but when your GF% is in the 60s, can you really argue with it? It's Kopitar on roids.
I wouldn't necessarily call him a 'traditional' 1C but the results speak for themselves, even this year, he's def. our best C and I imagine TM and co are going to use him head to head with McDavid again. Bergeron was 'only' a 50-60 points guy in a similar role too until Marchand and Pastrnak started to take off and his deployment loosened. I guess in this case it's more that Danault is 40-55 but when your GF% is in the 60s, can you really argue with it? It's Kopitar on roids.
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I just went through a Detroit Red Wings thread from last spring/summer on our hopes for UFA season - and a lot of us, including me, all thought Danault would have been perfect.
1/Larkin
2/Danault
3/Veleno
4/Rasmussen
Instead we got Pius Suter.
Granted - 6 years was a year longer than I was comfortable with, but whatever. If the NHL revenues haven't recovered by in 3 years, when the deal starts to get iffy, there are going to be bigger issues to worry about.
In a lot of ways, the real difference between Detroit and LA is- Drew Doughty.
Heading into the season, both teams had issues at 1LD and 2C. Detroit also had issues at 2LD, and G, it turned out.
The prospect depth is pretty great, but in different places, for LA and Detroit.
LA has all those centers.
LA also has a better coach.
1/Larkin
2/Danault
3/Veleno
4/Rasmussen
Instead we got Pius Suter.
Granted - 6 years was a year longer than I was comfortable with, but whatever. If the NHL revenues haven't recovered by in 3 years, when the deal starts to get iffy, there are going to be bigger issues to worry about.
In a lot of ways, the real difference between Detroit and LA is- Drew Doughty.
Heading into the season, both teams had issues at 1LD and 2C. Detroit also had issues at 2LD, and G, it turned out.
The prospect depth is pretty great, but in different places, for LA and Detroit.
LA has all those centers.
LA also has a better coach.
johnjm22
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I wish I could clone Danault. I'd take multiple Danaults on my team any day. Love his game.
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Kopitar could be a much more effective #1 center if we tone down his minutes.
Hopefully with Danault being so steady and if Byfield takes the next step this can happen.
We also just paid Lizotte over a million and a half a year to play 4th line center. He need ice time as well. Not sure why they could not have waited until the end of the year to do that contract. There is no way we should be paying a 4th line center with no real intangibles that much money when we will be rolling out Kopi, Danault and Byfield in front of him and all will be eating a lot of minutes near year
Hopefully with Danault being so steady and if Byfield takes the next step this can happen.
We also just paid Lizotte over a million and a half a year to play 4th line center. He need ice time as well. Not sure why they could not have waited until the end of the year to do that contract. There is no way we should be paying a 4th line center with no real intangibles that much money when we will be rolling out Kopi, Danault and Byfield in front of him and all will be eating a lot of minutes near year
To be fair, Lizotte's contract takes up 2% of our cap so it's pretty inconsequential. That's practically nothing for a 25 point guy who brings that kind of effort.
kilowatt
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I wouldn't be surprised if, when Kopitar's current contract is up, we re-sign him for three years as our third line center. Our top three centers are all but set in stone for a long time in Kopitar, Danault, and Byfield, barring catastrophe.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Raccoon Jesus
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Even something like 18-15-15-12 would be a better spread, just start easing Kopi down away from 20.
I mean I prefer 16-16-16-12 but that's just me. Imagine how effective Kopitar and Doughty could be with far reduced minutes...which is the way it should be given the depth we have.
Giving a 37 yr old a 3 yr contract to play 3C? Realistically speaking, he plays like a 3C now. I don't want to entertain that thought until the middle of the 2023-24 season.
BigKing
Blake Out of Hell III: Back in to Hell
I know it is cool to rag on Kopitar but he's still better than a 3C.
If the team is good when that contract is up and he can still move halfway decent, I expect him to go in to Joe Thornton mode. Thornton signed the first of three one-year deals with SJ on his 38th birthday.
Peter James Bond II
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And I love that he's working with Quinton and beleives in him. I think this will get QB to where he needs to be faster. Danault quotes from a few weeks ago.
I feel better, when I read this. QB is better off with the Kings, than playing with the Reign, period. end of discussion. You cannot argue the difference between being in the NHL and working with Danault, than being in the AHL and getting 20 minutes a night there. Now that he is playing with Kupari and Vilardi, all 3 of them will grow together. They are all determined. Todd told the 3 to go out and be physical and look what happened. QB called Kupari 'amazing'. And just last week, no one here thought Gabe would be recalled again this year. Hope they do NOT put AA in for any of these 3. I think Lias goes out again, when Arvy is back.
"Danault said he has been talking a lot with Byfield. There’s few better teachers than Kopitar and Danault in helping with all the aspects of the game.
“We talk about faceoffs and players, in general,” Danault said. “What it takes to win. We talk about that, to be honest. He’s dedicated. He wants to be better and wants to help the team a lot too. I can see it. I can feel it. I think everyone sees it
“He’s going to be huge for us very soon.” (goosebumps)
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Ooh, Yeah, Um... I'm gonna have to go ahead and sort of disagree with you there. I grant your point about QB developing in the NHL. Just saying that there were a few of us clambering for Vilardi's return as early as late February.
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Lt Dan
F*** your ice cream!
Centers are like #9's in soccer. All the best youth players are put there growing up because they are great at everything. Even the best wingers in the NHL were likely centers when they were in their early leagues. It's like when guys go through the ranks in baseball. Everyone can't play SS, CF, or pitch, so they pick up new positions.
Centers are usually the best players on the teams which is why they are picked so often.
That Montreal team finished 18th in the league and 9th in the East. With the traditional playoff rules Danault doesn't even get a chance at the miracle run they had. This season he is getting more offensive zone draws than Kopi and has 51.07 ozone draw% compared to Kopi who has a 48.63. Despite that disparity in deployment Kopitar has 17 more points. Danault on the powerplay has a .52 P/60 and is 1 of only 5 players who have played more than 100 minutes to have less than 1.59 P/60. Not to mention we are talking about two seasons from now, so the expectation would be a decline in scoring.
I don't know how you can possibly call Danault "Kopitar on roids". Kopitar has 4 seasons above 60% in GF, during those season he scored more than 70 points in each of them(one was the lockout season where he paced for more than 70). Saying Danault is Kopitar on roids, does such a disservice to what Kopi has accomplished and continues to accomplish. He is slowing down, but let's not dismiss is career like that, he is a hall of famer.
The results do not really speak for themselves when Danault has 9 points in 38 career games in the playoffs and 22 of those games wouldn't have even been played in a normal season.
I like Danault, but this team will go absolutely nowhere if he is our number 1C.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Huh, nowhere here do I notice their defensive numbers for this season…Did you forget them? Honest mistake. WE’ll wait.
kilowatt
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I don't really know what to say. Kopitar and Danault have the same number of points at even strength this year, Kopitar with 10 goals and 26 assists, Danault with 20 goals and 16 assists, but Kopitar gets almost twice Danault's playing time on the power play. Are we prepared to compare Kopitar's play a decade ago with his play today? I'm not saying Danault is better than Kopitar was when we won the cups. I'm saying Danault is as good as Kopitar right now and he's capable of leading this team in the playoffs.
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Kopitar: 4.9 points/60 minutes on PP
Danault: 1.0 point/60 minutes on PP
People get pissed off that Brown doesn't score on the power play and he has more points per 60 on the power play than Danault. I can't imagine how bad the Kings power play numbers would be would be if you reversed Kopi and Danault's minutes on the power play. I mean, you almost have to try not to score to put up only 1.0 point per 60 minutes on the power play.
P.S. Danault's goal last night was his first power play goal of the season and the second power play goal OF HIS CAREER.
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