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Going trough the arbitration process is notoriously bad for the long-term relationship between a team and player. I am not necessarily surprised this is evolving the way it has.
Speculation: What is Swayman's Trade Value?
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Dr Quincy
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Where do you think Nurse (and his salary) would slot in with Lindholm, Zadorov and Lohrei?
Mitch Miller situtation, the Lucic situation.... I know some of the more salacious Kane and domestic issue stories have been shaky at best and possibly disproven, but I just don't think that's a headache they want to take on.
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Supposedly one of the comps the B's gave was Dan Vladar. Vladar's resume was 55 games, a GAA close to 3 and a slightly sub .900 save pct.
Whereas Swayman has played like 120 games with much better stats. Swayman publicly accused the team of using false or untrue stats (I infer that he didn't mean the stats themselves were fake but that they weren't a true comparison of the players).
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At LEAST a late 1st, a nondescript 4th liner faceoff ace, and a player on a multi-year, $4m deal who is arguably the worst player in the league at his position. Probably more.
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Worry not, Marner does not fit our mold. There are many wingers I would prefer over MM
10 mil or + is ridiculous in my mind. I'd give him 8 on a long term contract,( more than he deserves in my mind), less on a short term contract. If he doesn't like it , let him sit out. Don't forget all these ridiculous contracts and increasing caps just get passed on to the fans to pay for it. An average fan can't afford to go to too many or possibly any games and it keeps getting worse. I think GM's have to draw the line at some point and these ridiculous contracts will hurt the team overall. Look at the leafs the last 5 years as an example, 4 ridiculous contracts have left little for the rest of the team and it has showed. Have to admire Yzerman in Detroit, getting most of his stars signed long term around 8 mil. I also think Korpisalo will be a better goalie on the Bruins than Ottawa and Swayman wouldn't be quite as good on a weaker defensive team. Will be interesting to see how Ullmark does with Ottawa this year. Be interesting to see how ready Bussi is as well.
Would make no sense to be trading in same division anyway. Its either the Bruins sign him or trade him to another team like Utah. Alot teams will be out of competition based on tight or above salary cap. Also, Utah has the picks available if both teams would want to go that direction. Vejmalka + Hayton or McBain + 1st 2025 or 2026(top 10 protected) + 2- 2nd (2026) for Swayman would be fair trade in my opinion.
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That's fair tbh.
I was also thinking RNH (instead of Kane) but I don't think Edmonton would be willing to move RNH, and there's no other realistic option for them where the salary works.
Ultimately I think Swayman stays in Boston, but it's just such a match made in heaven for Edmonton, that I tried to find something that may (but ultimately doesn't) work.
Value is fine, but I just don’t see a reason to do this from the Habs’ perspective. He’s asking for too much, and we are going to have a lot of young players coming off ELCs in the next few years when our window is opening up - cap space is going to be very valuable. Not to mention, we have Fowler, Dobes, Primeau, Volokhin in the system and of course Montembeault to hold us over until one of them takes the reins. Habs are actually probably the last team that would be interested in this.
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What team has the cap space to pay him what he wants to be paid AND are willing to give up what the Bruins want? Feels like the Bruins would lose a 2nd goalie trade in 3 months if they moved him
you're not wrong
But having a young, proven goalie does accelerate the rebuild.
You're correct about money though, it's incredibly unlikely that Hughes wants to pay Swayman CP31 type money with him still on the LTIR books for another 2 years; it blows up the salary structure they're trying to maintain - even with the Laine trade.
If however if he was willing to sign longterm for 8 mill, I would leave that offer on the table and groom fowler to replace him down the line.
Utah would fit nicely. They are not going be push over team like last season. Be nice fresh start and with Swayman could maybe be playoff team(6-8 range). Yes, won't be like the Bruins but he could end up being paid more there.
Here's the challenge I see.....
Jeremy Swayman has 3 years in the league as a true tandem goalie. Over those 3 years, he's averaged a .916 Sv% and 2.41 GAA on a team that most would consider good to excellent defensively.
Over that same time, as copared to other goalies in the league, he's ranked 6th in both Save percentage and GAA. Maybe you "knock him down" a bit because he's only played 122 games over the past 3 years, whereas guys like Saros (195 gp), Oettinger (164gp), Demko (147 gp), Vasilevsky (175 gp), Jarry (156 gp) and Bobrovsky (162 gp) have stats that aren't that much worse than his, and have played much bigger roles.
The B's have $8.5m in cap space... this shouldn't be that difficult. Do $8m x 7, or $7m x 5, and move on?
Given that the sides seem to be so far apart, it would lead me to believe that Swayman doesn't want to bet on himself at all, and wants to secure a $10m x 8 bag. That's a tough pill to swallow for a ton of teams.
I feel like Utah & Anaheim are the only somewhat reasonable targets. If in fact he wants that much money, he basically has to go to a bad team, as they're the only ones that can really bring on that hit, and live with the short term pain in hopes that the cap jumps.
Jeremy Swayman has 3 years in the league as a true tandem goalie. Over those 3 years, he's averaged a .916 Sv% and 2.41 GAA on a team that most would consider good to excellent defensively.
Over that same time, as copared to other goalies in the league, he's ranked 6th in both Save percentage and GAA. Maybe you "knock him down" a bit because he's only played 122 games over the past 3 years, whereas guys like Saros (195 gp), Oettinger (164gp), Demko (147 gp), Vasilevsky (175 gp), Jarry (156 gp) and Bobrovsky (162 gp) have stats that aren't that much worse than his, and have played much bigger roles.
The B's have $8.5m in cap space... this shouldn't be that difficult. Do $8m x 7, or $7m x 5, and move on?
Given that the sides seem to be so far apart, it would lead me to believe that Swayman doesn't want to bet on himself at all, and wants to secure a $10m x 8 bag. That's a tough pill to swallow for a ton of teams.
I feel like Utah & Anaheim are the only somewhat reasonable targets. If in fact he wants that much money, he basically has to go to a bad team, as they're the only ones that can really bring on that hit, and live with the short term pain in hopes that the cap jumps.
Just to move Gibson, Anaheim is adding at least a 1st as multiple years of beloew league average doesn't scream "bouncing back" to anyone but the seller.
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The Devilish Buffoon
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And that’s not to mention the various assets theyde have to spend to acquire said 3rd best winger in the NHL… whoever he is
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Not sure if was intentional, but That’s a bit disingenuous. The 1st from Calgary will more than likely be Florida’s pick.
Would the Ducks entertain a swap of Gibson and a pick/prospect for Swayman? Bruins get a solid replacement starter and an asset to help their weak prospect pool, Ducks get a younger goalie to build with.
It doesn't matter what any of us think he is worth in a trade. He is worth whatever A team is willing to pay.......it just matter how desperate that team is at the time. If so you could see an overpay from a team who feels like he is the missing piece to a cup or even playoff run. His age certainly helps his value. Is the interested team comfortable with his asking price though?? I still think he eventually signs with the Bruins.
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