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IMO, Boqvist is the odd man out.
Eh, that's the thing. Last season he ran the PP better than Werenski ever has and showed that if he could stay healthy he's capable of scoring 20 goals.

This upcoming season is definitely a make or break season for him in union blue though, so it's definitely possible he's the odd man out of Jiricek shows he's truly ready in both ends on the ice next season.
 

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Am I the only one thinking they should just keep him, or why he seemingly always a trade target?
Lots of posts I could reply to but I'll choose this one since you asked a simple question I'll try and keep the answer simple too.

He is a trade target because the Jackets have depth at RD which is as you know often a position of need. That and he would appear to have value but be an odd man out so, trade speculation.

I noted a couple days ago that Babcock and Davidson (and maybe Kekalainen too but I don't recall specifically) have all mentioned Peeke when they're interviewed and talking about a list of guys who look to be able to contribute on the blueline (it was so bad last year, it's always a topic in interviews). So I'm willing to accept the idea that decision-makers in the CBJ org like the player and expect to roster him.

Nonetheless, something has to give. The Jackets have 6 potential RD (Severson, Boquist, Peeke, Gudbranson, Jiricek, Blankenburg) and 2 spots probably locked down (assuming they're gonna play Gudbranson on the 3rd pair and not HS). It would make sense if they entertained the idea of moving one of them.
 

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There's a lingering suspicion that that "kicking the door down" moment may be at the start of this year. That's most of what prompts it. Either way, though, that still suggests a "wait and see" approach.

(Also, Blankenburg is wonderful and awesome and doesn't deserve demotion but he just can't stay healthy... :( )

Fair enough i guess. And if Jiricek is ready, he's ready. I just don't think it'd be all that harmful to his development to let him get some more AHL games in while they figure out exactly what they have with this new mix of everything.

Peeke without the puck is fantastic. He shuts down plays and eats pucks like Savard did.

He's just really bad on breakouts, last year he was asked to do a lot of long tape to tape passes and he couldn't find them. He needs to be allowed to give it to his D partner or have a simple up the wall breakout. We weren't doing that last year and it killed his game, just as it would if say, Brandon Carlo was put in that position.

I think properly used he's a fine #4 D, the type a lot of teams could really use.



Have you seen Severson and Gudbranson's contracts? Then you've got Boqvist, Blankenburg, and Jiricek coming up at RD.



That might be our lineup ultimately - I'd be really curious to see a Provorov-Peeke pair and Babs has talked him up. But it's not really easy peasy to scratch Adam Boqvist or Blanks. We're not even sure if we'll be able to send Jiricek down if he takes a step this summer.

I don't really care too much about maximizing assets at this point late in the rebuild, so it's a good problem to have, but one of Boqvist or Peeke is likely to be sitting a lot and that will hurt the asset value.

I feel like this is where Peeke could end up being a real "Babcock guy". He's not going to be asked to make wild or super dynamic plays. Babcock loves a defenceman who can can just stick to the system and make the structured play. Peeke seems like a guy who could fit that like a glove.


IMO, Boqvist is the odd man out.

To me, this feels like the real answer. I just don't see a smallish, soft, powerplay specialist defenceman being part of Babcocks "core". I don't really know what you get in return for him...because that Boqvist sort of player isn't really in most coaches favourite realm.

I feel like CBJ are going to wait until Babs can work with everyone to see who he wants. I feel like Bean is the odd man out. If it is Peeke though I think a 2nd would suffice.

Peeke makes more sense but he just seems like a Babcock type player.

Yeah, definitely. I think Peeke is also the sort of player who can benefit from playing in a system like Babcock employs. Structured, simple, effective sort of play from the defencemen. Peeke has all the attributes to become a big favourite.

LD depth chart for next year will probably look something like this:

Werenski - established 1LD
Provorov - established 2LD
Bean - could be anything between 3LD and AHL D

Svozil - likely an AHL guy next year, but has 2LD upside
Christiansen - likely a career AHLer, 6/7D upside
Knazko - same as Christiansen

And in the pipeline there's of course a high-end prospect Mateychuk (2LD upside) who will be heading back to WHL for another year, and at least a couple solid B/C-level prospects (Makarov, Richard).

I don't know a lot about Rathbone and Truscott, but judging by a brief search I suspect they don't hold much more value than Christiansen and Knazko. I think the Jackets would be more interested to add a >6'1 LD with higher upside and better shut-down skills than any of the aforementioned 4 prospects seem to possess.

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Do you think would Allvin consider trading Vancouver's '24 1st (with protection) for Peeke and CBJ '24 2nd?

I don't think Vancouver is in any position to be trading that 1st, even with protection. Not unless they're getting back a lot more of a "sure thing" than Peeke. They've also already got Hronek who they just paid a big price for and Myers still around as RHD. So you'd basically have to be banking on the idea that he's gonna mesh with Hughes for it to even make any sense. I don't think that works at all.


This is interesting though, in that i could actually see Columbus moving someone like Peeke for a similar caliber LHD though. RHD are generally coveted around the league and Peeke would have significant value for sure...but as much as CBJ have shored up the LHD situation with Werenski-Provorov...they could still probably upgrade on Bean in the 3rd spot. They might be in a weird position to swap a RHD like Peeke for a good LHD.


Eh, that's the thing. Last season he ran the PP better than Werenski ever has and showed that if he could stay healthy he's capable of scoring 20 goals.

This upcoming season is definitely a make or break season for him in union blue though, so it's definitely possible he's the odd man out of Jiricek shows he's truly ready in both ends on the ice next season.

I just don't know if running the PP is enough to keep Boqvist in the mix. The idea of a PP specialist defenceman is kind of dead. And it's not like Werenski sucks at it. He's more than good enough to quarterback a top powerplay unit.
 
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Fair enough i guess. And if Jiricek is ready, he's ready. I just don't think it'd be all that harmful to his development to let him get some more AHL games in while they figure out exactly what they have with this new mix of everything.



I feel like this is where Peeke could end up being a real "Babcock guy". He's not going to be asked to make wild or super dynamic plays. Babcock loves a defenceman who can can just stick to the system and make the structured play. Peeke seems like a guy who could fit that like a glove.




To me, this feels like the real answer. I just don't see a smallish, soft, powerplay specialist defenceman being part of Babcocks "core". I don't really know what you get in return for him...because that Boqvist sort of player isn't really in most coaches favourite realm.



Yeah, definitely. I think Peeke is also the sort of player who can benefit from playing in a system like Babcock employs. Structured, simple, effective sort of play from the defencemen. Peeke has all the attributes to become a big favourite.



I don't think Vancouver is in any position to be trading that 1st, even with protection. Not unless they're getting back a lot more of a "sure thing" than Peeke. They've also already got Hronek who they just paid a big price for and Myers still around as RHD. So you'd basically have to be banking on the idea that he's gonna mesh with Hughes for it to even make any sense. I don't think that works at all.


This is interesting though, in that i could actually see Columbus moving someone like Peeke for a similar caliber LHD though. RHD are generally coveted around the league and Peeke would have significant value for sure...but as much as CBJ have shored up the LHD situation with Werenski-Provorov...they could still probably upgrade on Bean in the 3rd spot. They might be in a weird position to swap a RHD like Peeke for a good LHD.




I just don't know if running the PP is enough to keep Boqvist in the mix. The idea of a PP specialist defenceman is kind of dead. And it's not like Werenski sucks at it. He's more than good enough to quarterback a top powerplay unit.
Its not that we think Werenski is a bad PPQB its that hes a lefty on a righty PP. The play slows down too much through him and its problem. I also dont think Boqvist is just a PP specialist, hes also a good 5v5 threat and while his defense isnt amazing he improved this year. The injuries sucked but he seemed to take his offseason training more serious last year and it showed so I hope to see more of that. I think rushing to deal Peeke or Boqvist is a mistake unless Boqvist can be used in a package deal for a top 6C
 
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Peeke without the puck is fantastic. He shuts down plays and eats pucks like Savard did.

He's just really bad on breakouts, last year he was asked to do a lot of long tape to tape passes and he couldn't find them. He needs to be allowed to give it to his D partner or have a simple up the wall breakout. We weren't doing that last year and it killed his game, just as it would if say, Brandon Carlo was put in that position.

I think properly used he's a fine #4 D, the type a lot of teams could really use.



Have you seen Severson and Gudbranson's contracts? Then you've got Boqvist, Blankenburg, and Jiricek coming up at RD.



That might be our lineup ultimately - I'd be really curious to see a Provorov-Peeke pair and Babs has talked him up. But it's not really easy peasy to scratch Adam Boqvist or Blanks. We're not even sure if we'll be able to send Jiricek down if he takes a step this summer.

I don't really care too much about maximizing assets at this point late in the rebuild, so it's a good problem to have, but one of Boqvist or Peeke is likely to be sitting a lot and that will hurt the asset value.
Oh cool a reasonable post

And a good one too
 

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Its not that we think Werenski is a bad PPQB its that hes a lefty on a righty PP. The play slows down too much through him and its problem. I also dont think Boqvist is just a PP specialist, hes also a good 5v5 threat and while his defense isnt amazing he improved this year. The injuries sucked but he seemed to take his offseason training more serious last year and it showed so I hope to see more of that. I think rushing to deal Peeke or Boqvist is a mistake unless Boqvist can be used in a package deal for a top 6C

I agree in that i just don't see any reason to rush a decision on this.

It'll take a minute to figure out who is going to thrive and survive under Babcock. That's going to influence the future.

I don't necessarily agree on the value of Boqvist and i don't see much if any value in him as a trade guy. But to me, he's my best guess on an "odd man out" at RHD.


Even that powerplay is going to look very different than it has previously, with Werenski back in the fold. He had barely any chance to play there with Gaudreau.
 

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I agree in that i just don't see any reason to rush a decision on this.

It'll take a minute to figure out who is going to thrive and survive under Babcock. That's going to influence the future.

I don't necessarily agree on the value of Boqvist and i don't see much if any value in him as a trade guy. But to me, he's my best guess on an "odd man out" at RHD.


Even that powerplay is going to look very different than it has previously, with Werenski back in the fold. He had barely any chance to play there with Gaudreau.
Either way, Werenski isn't the ideal guy to run that PP, I think Boqvist and potentially even Jiricek would be much better suited there. Z puts up decent numbers, but Columbus hasn't had a good powerplay with Z running it. I think we were in the top half of the league with our PP the last half of the season with Boqvist running it.
 
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Weird to think a team that averaged 4 goals against per game last year also has a spoil of riches at RD
 

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Is Peeke even worth much, he seems like just a guy who got played a ton of minutes on a team with no Defense.

Seems like a #5-#6 who just got played a ton.
 

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Is Peeke even worth much, he seems like just a guy who got played a ton of minutes on a team with no Defense.

Seems like a #5-#6 who just got played a ton.
Pretty much but thats not a non valuable piece. We talk about him as maybe 2 2nds or 2nd+3rd. Either way I think a decent portion of the fanbase would rather see him in Babcocks system and properly slotted before the team makes any rushed moves. Even on the 2nd pair with Provorov who can do the puck moving is a lot better than what he was asked to do last year. Plus being a big righty will draw attention from a few GMs whether hes a high end guy or not
 

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Weird to think a team that averaged 4 goals against per game last year also has a spoil of riches at RD
tbf, the left side was the weak point last year (werenski only played 13 games, bean played 14 games, gavrikov got traded). tim berni – a guy who's probably a #4 in the AHL – played 59 games at LD.

the right side had fewer injuries, although blankenburg (36gp) and boqvist (46gp) both missed like half of the season. gudbranson (70gp) and peeke (80gp) were the only relatively healthy defensemen on the roster.

now all four of those RHD are healthy and they added severson, who jumps to the front of the line. jiricek has the best long-term ceiling of the group and is close to NHL ready. so that gives them six (6) RHD, five of which are guaranteed to be on the roster if not traded… which is too many, unless they're going to carry eight defensemen.

Is Peeke even worth much, he seems like just a guy who got played a ton of minutes on a team with no Defense.

Seems like a #5-#6 who just got played a ton.
i don't think the 5/6 thing is totally off-base, but his value is higher than some because:
  1. he's young
  2. he has term and a low AAV
  3. he's big
  4. he's mobile
  5. he's physical
  6. he blocks shots
  7. he's right handed
his advanced stats are bad, but so were gavrikov's for similar reasons (big minutes on a bad team) – he's probably a low-end second-pair defenseman who should appeal to teams that have a puck-moving LHD on the second pair.
 
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Is Peeke even worth much, he seems like just a guy who got played a ton of minutes on a team with no Defense.

Seems like a #5-#6 who just got played a ton.

That's pretty much what they all look like on bad teams. Gavrikov had a bottom pair profile last year before going to L.A. and then looked like one of their best players there.

Peeke doesn't have that kind of track record though, we're all wondering what he'd look like on a competent team. The big thing with him is that he needs to be paired with a puckmover who can do the outlets for him.
 

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Where do Blue Jackets' fans feel like Peeke would slot in as a defenceman on a good team?

#4, #5?
 

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A few of us on the Avs board were expecting a Peeke to Colorado trade earlier in the summer... I guess it's still possible now but not sure what that deal would look like.
Sean Behrens for Peeke?

Where does Peeke fit on their blue line?

Does he get traded?

Also, I assume Blankenburg is sent to the AHL, but Bjork is probably waived and most likely claimed.

Does Peeke for Garland work? Van has a bit need for RHD here - maybe even with a small retention to work the $ - maybe they add a mid rd. pick.

I think Vancouver and Columbus make solid trade partners.
I’d be stunned if anyone traded value for the negative value Garland contract. Columbus says no.

But flip that to Anthony Beauvillier, and maybe you have something. Also matches term of the two contracts traded.
 
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Where do Blue Jackets' fans feel like Peeke would slot in as a defenceman on a good team?

#4, #5?
In that neighborhood. His biggest deficiencies involve getting the puck out of the zone so he needs to be paired with someone who can cover that. He's otherwise fine as a stay-at-home guy.

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But flip that to Anthony Beauvillier, and maybe you have something. Also matches term of the two contracts traded.
The value might be there but there are no Vancouver forwards - or players at any position - that we need or want outside of the obvious core guys that have no place in a Peeke discussion.
 

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Wasn't peekes play quite poor last season, I don't want to say he's a cap dump cause he isnt but you would think that should play a role in his trade value.
 

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Wasn't peekes play quite poor last season, I don't want to say he's a cap dump cause he isnt but you would think that should play a role in his trade value.
Just like Gavrikov's was before his trade, pretty much why there is no reason to rush a trade. Columbus is actually a team with some capspace
 

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