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[NickH8]

I love this kind of thread. It's almost like the (actually fun) pissing contest sports fan get into where it's like, "Name a random Red Wing (or whatever team)".

"Derek Meech"
"Oh yeah?... Doug Janik"
"Wendell Clark"
"Dude, Clark's not a random... Bro was a beast."
"Yeah but don't act like you remember he played for the Red Wings."
"Brett Lebda"
"Ugh... Dude, not cool."

Mattias Ritola

 

[Ricelund]

I love this kind of thread. It's almost like the (actually fun) pissing contest sports fan get into where it's like, "Name a random Red Wing (or whatever team)".

"Derek Meech"
"Oh yeah?... Doug Janik"
"Wendell Clark"
"Dude, Clark's not a random... Bro was a beast."
"Yeah but don't act like you remember he played for the Red Wings."
"Brett Lebda"
"Ugh... Dude, not cool."

https://x.com/i/web/status/1415513767337762817

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Remember having Almquist, Marchenko, Sproul, Ouellet, Smith and Kindl, thinking we had a stacked D pipeline?

 

[Hockeyville USA]

I never hear anyone, Red Wings fans or not, bring up Brooks Macek. Decent Dub scorer who stagnated post draft, flourished in European Pro in both the DEL and the K.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Remember having Almquist, Marchenko, Sproul, Ouellet, Smith and Kindl, thinking we had a stacked D pipeline?

Still hurts after 10 years.

 

[KJoe88]

Remember having Almquist, Marchenko, Sproul, Ouellet, Smith and Kindl, thinking we had a stacked D pipeline?

Dude…

Sproul especially hurts.

Marchenko was really interesting to me though

 

[dalem177]

I still miss Drew Miller's hair.

 

[Retire91]

That was around the same time we thought Nyquivst and Tartar were the next one two punch and Jurco had hands of gold.

 

[FabricDetails]

I remember when Hakan Andersson described Dick Axelsson's game as, "When he's playing well, he's NHL-good. When he's not playing well, he's American-league bad." I've described so many young prospects like that for all Detroit sports.

That was around the same time we thought Nyquivst and Tartar were the next one two punch and Jurco had hands of gold.

With Jurco some of us saw the "Hossa-like skills" description and really didn't understand how that was meant to be a hedge.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I guess my posts should implicate that he was overvalued going into his draft because of his birthday (plus his statistical profile wasn't that impressive for the Q). Of course, as you said, he had physical limitations that prevented him from taking another step.

I do think it's worth noting that if he's born on August 27th instead of November 27th, he's eligible for the 2017 Draft and we're talking about him as a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder that Cam Robinson, Scott Wheeler, and/or Tony Ferrari like as a potential good value pick, instead of the overhyped "top 3, NHL-ready talent" he was purported to be before the 2018 Draft. Extra year allows for time to inflate the resume.

I do agree with pretty well everything you’re saying.

I’m VERY weary of late birthday draft picks, especially ones who weren’t already very good at 17. It’s why I’ve never been a fan of Danielson

 

[nbwingsfan]

Remember having Almquist, Marchenko, Sproul, Ouellet, Smith and Kindl, thinking we had a stacked D pipeline?

Neither Sproul nor Ouellet amounting to anything at all still haunts me.

I have very bad feeling we will be saying the same things about Wallinder, AlJo, Viro, McIsaac (lol), Buium, etc

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I do agree with pretty well everything you’re saying.

I’m VERY weary of late birthday draft picks, especially ones who weren’t already very good at 17. It’s why I’ve never been a fan of Danielson

Late birthday doesn’t indicate a bust, just like being young for the draft doesn’t mean a player is going to be a superstar. There’s plenty of outliers on both sides.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Late birthday doesn’t indicate a bust, just like being young for the draft doesn’t mean a player is going to be a superstar. There’s plenty of outliers on both sides.

Of course it doesn't. If you're a late birthday who was a rockstar in their 17 year old season (Kessel, Kane, Eichel, Matthews), the extra year doesn't matter. The late birthday types who matter are the ones who are merely good or not even that as 17 year olds but then have good to very good production as 18 year olds, therefore padding their resume. There are outliers, as Leon Draisaitl was merely good as a 17 year old before becoming great as an 18 year old. He's gotten better every year and it helps to play with/on the same team as the best player in the league of course.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Late birthday doesn’t indicate a bust, just like being young for the draft doesn’t mean a player is going to be a superstar. There’s plenty of outliers on both sides.

Correct.

But from my admittedly very quick analysis, a player who wasn’t great at 17 but then kind of took off the next season in his draft year don’t tend to end up being worth where they were picked

 

[Frk It]

I do agree with pretty well everything you’re saying.

I’m VERY weary of late birthday draft picks, especially ones who weren’t already very good at 17. It’s why I’ve never been a fan of Danielson

78 pts in 68 games on a bad team is not anything I would consider concerning.

Correct.

But from my admittedly very quick analysis, a player who wasn’t great at 17 but then kind of took off the next season in his draft year don’t tend to end up being worth where they were picked

Cale Makar, Brady Tkachuk, and Leon Draisaitl say hi.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

About once a year I watch this and I am a Sharks fan. I think they are clowned more than any other team, but what can you do?

 

[nbwingsfan]

78 pts in 68 games on a bad team is not anything I would consider concerning.


Cale Makar, Brady Tkachuk, and Leon Draisaitl say hi.

He had 57 in 53 games in what would have been his draft year if not for the NHL cut off date. That is very, very average and this place would have lost their minds had they picked him top 10 that year if he were eligible.

Of course there’s outliers and I’m not saying Danielson will bust, but as I said I’m very wary of late birthdays who weren’t standouts at either 17 or 18.

 

[Frk It]

He had 57 in 53 games in what would have been his draft year if not for the NHL cut off date. That is very, very average and this place would have lost their minds had they picked him top 10 that year if he were eligible.

Of course there’s outliers and I’m not saying Danielson will bust, but as I said I’m very wary of late birthdays who weren’t standouts at either 17 or 18.

Ah ok, I was looking at the wrong year. I see what you’re saying now. Well this is why I think looking at actual draft year and not the theoretical draft year is the way to go… but to each their own.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Ah ok, I was looking at the wrong year. I see what you’re saying now. Well this is why I think looking at actual draft year and not the theoretical draft year is the way to go… but to each their own.

To each their own, but a guy born September 18th and September 1st of the same year will have entirely different draft years despite having played hockey together their whole lives.

The guy with the September 18th birthday “should” have much better stats in his draft year as he’s a full year older and more experienced, which is why there has to be context when evaluationg guys who are late birthdays

 

[Frk It]

To each their own, but a guy born September 18th and September 1st of the same year will have entirely different draft years despite having played hockey together their whole lives.

The guy with the September 18th birthday “should” have much better stats in his draft year as he’s a full year older and more experienced, which is why there has to be context when evaluationg guys who are late birthdays

Yeah, I can understand the thought process for when you are talking about players at the extreme ends of the spectrum. But me personally I would still give strong prioritization to the players actual draft season.

 

[FabricDetails]

About once a year I watch this and I am a Sharks fan. I think they are clowned more than any other team, but what can you do?

Ask Preds fans, hehe.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

How did Cory Emmerton go from 90 points in 66 games in his DY with Kingston in the O to bottom 6 no offense type in the NHL? Bad skater, injuries, didn't progress following the draft, Chris Stewart merchant in junior, or other?

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

How did Cory Emmerton go from 90 points in 66 games in his DY with Kingston in the O to bottom 6 no offense type in the NHL? Bad skater, injuries, didn't progress following the draft, Chris Stewart merchant in junior, or other?

Confidence can make or break a player

 

[odin1981]

About once a year I watch this and I am a Sharks fan. I think they are clowned more than any other team, but what can you do?

In all reality when we where in the West, you and Anaheim saw us the most because of numerous playoff series plus regular season.

I'd say Nashville was the most he went off on. But I think it meant a little more when we played them plus he often matched up against the Suter/Webber pairing.

 

[Killerjas]

What happened to Kadeykin?