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The Zetterberg Era

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Surprised it took this long to say Mr. Silver Lining.

Jan Mursak, has been very good in Europe, I still think he was a NHL player that just never caught a break injury wise while over here. He did make the NHL though, so maybe a little off in terms of theme we are going for, though other NHL guys have been listed too.
 
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The Zetterberg Era

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Then Babcock nailed him to the press box. :laugh:
This is a good one. Draper loved him when they made the pick but he hasn’t done much since.

For some reason, one that always sticks in my mind is Nick Oslund. I remember an LGW poster raving about him around the time he was drafted.

Also, who can forget Brendan Smith? Hard to believe he’s still in the league.

I wonder what would’ve happened to Grigorenko had he not been in the car accident.

People can say other things on it, but I don't think anyone will ever convince me that Babcock was anything but pretty detrimental to Smith's development. The small caveat I always thought him having to be Shanahan's example to prove league discipline changed his game a little for a while. I just never understood the games it felt like Babcock was playing with Smith, we took away a bunch of his strengths and almost all of his confidence. He still played a long time, but man he had top pairing qualities, I know everyone thinks dumb player but you didn't see that until Babcock got a hold of him and shattered a ton of his potential.
 

SoupNazi

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People can say other things on it, but I don't think anyone will ever convince me that Babcock was anything but pretty detrimental to Smith's development. The small caveat I always thought him having to be Shanahan's example to prove league discipline changed his game a little for a while. I just never understood the games it felt like Babcock was playing with Smith, we took away a bunch of his strengths and almost all of his confidence. He still played a long time, but man he had top pairing qualities, I know everyone thinks dumb player but you didn't see that until Babcock got a hold of him and shattered a ton of his potential.
I know Holland isn't a popular person around here, and he shoulders much of the blame for the state of the team, but I really wonder how much better off we'd have been in the 2010s had our coach been someone other than Babcock. It's amazing how many guys were never the same after he got his grubby paws on them.
 

RabidBadger

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Sproul and Pulkkinen come to mind because a lot of us had such high hopes for them. On a personel level, I was high on Malte Setkov and Alec Regula...no big losses there.
 

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Sproul and Pulkkinen come to mind because a lot of us had such high hopes for them. On a personel level, I was high on Malte Setkov and Alec Regula...no big losses there.
Yeah, I had high hopes for Sproul after he won CHL d-man of the year. He just couldn't figure out the defense part of being a defenseman.
 

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Guys I liked who've had good pro but not NHL careers
Grigorenko
Pulkkinen
Saarijarvi
Ryno
Almqvuist
Mursak
Hat trick Dick Axelsson
Mikale Johansson
Miro Blatak
Seluyanov


Guys I liked who just died
Lofberg - My first suspicion that maybe Matt Wuest was just a propagandist :)
Backman
Joakim Andersson

Guys who I'm still surprised didn't make somehow
Ferraro
Emmerton
 

Frk It

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People can say other things on it, but I don't think anyone will ever convince me that Babcock was anything but pretty detrimental to Smith's development. The small caveat I always thought him having to be Shanahan's example to prove league discipline changed his game a little for a while. I just never understood the games it felt like Babcock was playing with Smith, we took away a bunch of his strengths and almost all of his confidence. He still played a long time, but man he had top pairing qualities, I know everyone thinks dumb player but you didn't see that until Babcock got a hold of him and shattered a ton of his potential.
And Kindl.
 

dalem177

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Kinda hard to stay off the sauce when you're retired and have nothing to do especially since he has a family history of alcoholism.

Hate to say it, but it's probably gonna be an ongoing thing with him. Best of luck to him though, at least he made the first dozen games interesting.

Yeah I've known plenty of addicts and my best friend for a while was a junkie. All that's made me pretty callous but you still hate to see it happen.
 

ManwithNoIdentity

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Seems like there’s a reoccurring theme that we overrate many of our prospects

Damien Brunner and Ville Leino were two guys I was highly interested in. Brunner disappeared from the league and leino got that insane contract
 
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Run the Jewels

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We had two prospects who met tragic ends.
Stefan Liv died in the Lokomotiv plane crash that also claimed the life of Ruslan Salei
Bryan Rufenach died in Switzerland in a freak accident
 

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Wuest on Lofberg.
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At some point, there was a Kopitar comparison

Anyway, here's the article
There is obvious excitement in Hakan Andersson’s voice when he talks about Christofer Lofberg’s future.

When you think you’ve landed a 6-foot-3, 195-pound center who can skate like the wind with the 80th overall selection in the National Hockey League entry draft, you’ve got a pretty good reason to be pumped up.

“He was one of my top names for Europe, overall,” said Andersson, the Detroit Red Wings director of European scouting. “I think he has a lot of potential. Very exciting upside.”

Andersson went for a home run when he selected Lofberg, because if the big Swede makes it, he’s going to be an impact player.

Lofberg finished seventh in Swedish under-20 league scoring last season, piling up 21 goals and 14 assists for 34 points in 30 games. He finished close behind highly-touted Anze Kopitar, and even outscored fellow Red Wings prospect Anton Axelsson — who is a year older.

Andersson rates Lofberg’s skating just shy of five on a five-point scale, and puts his skill-level not far behind.

“Speed and soft hands are his best assets,” said Andersson. “He has very good wheels and he can beat guys 1-on-1 really, really well.

“I would say he is a little bit more of a scorer, but he is not one of those guys who will only score goals. I’ve seen him make a lot of very nice plays and he makes very good passes.”

Lofberg is believed to have the size and skill to play in the Swedish Elite League with Djurgaden immediately — a rarity for a mid-round pick at that age. He already earned a one-game audition with the club last year, and is currently practicing with the team.

So how does a forward like Lofberg go unrated by Central Scouting and a variety of draft preview publications? Andersson isn’t sure, but said that being left off of Sweden’s junior national team didn’t help his cause.

“I think the coach was making a big mistake, but at the same time I was happy because there was less exposure (to other scouts),” said Andersson. “His (Djurgarden) teammates on the national team couldn’t believe Lofberg didn’t make it. Somehow, the coach had something against him.”

Lofberg’s size is a terrific asset, but Andersson admits he’s not the type of guy who will throw his weight around.

“He’s not a punishing hitter or anything,” said Andersson. “He’ll take a hit to get to the net but he’s not a guy who comes up with big hits himself.”

Andersson said the Red Wings’ philosophy in late rounds recently has been to draft smaller players with good skills and hope they grow and add strength. That plan worked with Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk.

This year, with Lofberg — and to a lesser extent Johan Ryno and Mattias Ritola — the Red Wings got both, and Andersson is thrilled.

“Usually you don’t have that get that talent level with that size where we pick,” said Andersson. “I said to my people in Detroit, ‘I think these three guys have the same kind of talent that we’re looking for, but they’re all a good size. That’s why I’m so excited about this draft.”
 

Frk It

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Wuest on Lofberg.
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At some point, there was a Kopitar comparison

Anyway, here's the article
There is obvious excitement in Hakan Andersson’s voice when he talks about Christofer Lofberg’s future.

When you think you’ve landed a 6-foot-3, 195-pound center who can skate like the wind with the 80th overall selection in the National Hockey League entry draft, you’ve got a pretty good reason to be pumped up.

“He was one of my top names for Europe, overall,” said Andersson, the Detroit Red Wings director of European scouting. “I think he has a lot of potential. Very exciting upside.”

Andersson went for a home run when he selected Lofberg, because if the big Swede makes it, he’s going to be an impact player.

Lofberg finished seventh in Swedish under-20 league scoring last season, piling up 21 goals and 14 assists for 34 points in 30 games. He finished close behind highly-touted Anze Kopitar, and even outscored fellow Red Wings prospect Anton Axelsson — who is a year older.

Andersson rates Lofberg’s skating just shy of five on a five-point scale, and puts his skill-level not far behind.

“Speed and soft hands are his best assets,” said Andersson. “He has very good wheels and he can beat guys 1-on-1 really, really well.

“I would say he is a little bit more of a scorer, but he is not one of those guys who will only score goals. I’ve seen him make a lot of very nice plays and he makes very good passes.”

Lofberg is believed to have the size and skill to play in the Swedish Elite League with Djurgaden immediately — a rarity for a mid-round pick at that age. He already earned a one-game audition with the club last year, and is currently practicing with the team.

So how does a forward like Lofberg go unrated by Central Scouting and a variety of draft preview publications? Andersson isn’t sure, but said that being left off of Sweden’s junior national team didn’t help his cause.

“I think the coach was making a big mistake, but at the same time I was happy because there was less exposure (to other scouts),” said Andersson. “His (Djurgarden) teammates on the national team couldn’t believe Lofberg didn’t make it. Somehow, the coach had something against him.”

Lofberg’s size is a terrific asset, but Andersson admits he’s not the type of guy who will throw his weight around.

“He’s not a punishing hitter or anything,” said Andersson. “He’ll take a hit to get to the net but he’s not a guy who comes up with big hits himself.”

Andersson said the Red Wings’ philosophy in late rounds recently has been to draft smaller players with good skills and hope they grow and add strength. That plan worked with Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk.

This year, with Lofberg — and to a lesser extent Johan Ryno and Mattias Ritola — the Red Wings got both, and Andersson is thrilled.

“Usually you don’t have that get that talent level with that size where we pick,” said Andersson. “I said to my people in Detroit, ‘I think these three guys have the same kind of talent that we’re looking for, but they’re all a good size. That’s why I’m so excited about this draft.”
Malik used to talk about Willie Coetzee at prospect camp like he was Wayne Gretzky.
 

chances14

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Surprised it took this long to say Mr. Silver Lining.

Jan Mursak, has been very good in Europe, I still think he was a NHL player that just never caught a break injury wise while over here. He did make the NHL though, so maybe a little off in terms of theme we are going for, though other NHL guys have been listed too.
searched jan mursak on youtube and this is the second video that pops up :laugh:

 

Air Budd Dwyer

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I thought Jurco was going to be the next Hossa.

I was also a huge Tvrdon guy. Thought he had 40 goal power forward potential.

I was convinced Oulette was going to be a potential Norris candidate.

Frk/Pulkkinen were both supposed to be the next Brett Hull, bad skaters with great shots and goal scoring ability. Pulkkinen just couldn’t figure out how to take less than the entire season to get his damn shot off every time he came down the ice.

Nedomlel I thought was going to be a nice surprise.

What the hell is Backman up to these days?

Darryl Bootland was supposed to be a younger McCarty except it turned out he didn’t have the talent and was just a league punching bag.
 

ricky0034

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Surprised it took this long to say Mr. Silver Lining.

Jan Mursak, has been very good in Europe, I still think he was a NHL player that just never caught a break injury wise while over here. He did make the NHL though, so maybe a little off in terms of theme we are going for, though other NHL guys have been listed too.

I still remember calling him "Helm with hands" when a friend asked me about him back in the day before Tyler Wright brought that term into the spotlight
 

Dotter

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Guys I liked who just died
Lofberg - My first suspicion that maybe Matt Wuest was just a propagandist :)
Backman
Joakim Andersson

Guys who I'm still surprised didn't make somehow
Ferraro
Emmerton

these guys just died? I remember Joakim Andersson. he's too young
 

izlez

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We had two prospects who met tragic ends.
Stefan Liv died in the Lokomotiv plane crash that also claimed the life of Ruslan Salei
Bryan Rufenach died in Switzerland in a freak accident
I was going through this thread trying to figure out who that was. Whenever I see Max Nicastro's name I think it was him
 

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People can say other things on it, but I don't think anyone will ever convince me that Babcock was anything but pretty detrimental to Smith's development. The small caveat I always thought him having to be Shanahan's example to prove league discipline changed his game a little for a while. I just never understood the games it felt like Babcock was playing with Smith, we took away a bunch of his strengths and almost all of his confidence. He still played a long time, but man he had top pairing qualities, I know everyone thinks dumb player but you didn't see that until Babcock got a hold of him and shattered a ton of his potential.

110% agree with all of this. Smith got shit on a ton and everyone wanted to shoot him into the sun but there was a god damn good hockey player there at one point that had a VERY high ceiling. Even after Babcock tried smash the square peg into a round hole by making him some sort of defensive stalwart that he wasn't there were always flashes. He was the only defenseman post Lidstrom that I would see consistently retrieve the puck with his feet moving and head up looking up the ice to make an outlet pass. What he did with it wasn't always great but the kid knew what to do. There are so many examples of high hockey IQ breaks he made to break plays up in the neutral zone with his speed and anticipation. There's not a person that can convince me that Brendan Smith was a low IQ/stupid hockey player based on the mistakes he made under Babcock. There was too much there to convince me otherwise.

Just a few examples. These are not low hockey IQ plays. These are Mo Seider level plays.



 

Frk It

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110% agree with all of this. Smith got shit on a ton and everyone wanted to shoot him into the sun but there was a god damn good hockey player there at one point that had a VERY high ceiling. Even after Babcock tried smash the square peg into a round hole by making him some sort of defensive stalwart that he wasn't there were always flashes. He was the only defenseman post Lidstrom that I would see consistently retrieve the puck with his feet moving and head up looking up the ice to make an outlet pass. What he did with it wasn't always great but the kid knew what to do. There are so many examples of high hockey IQ breaks he made to break plays up in the neutral zone with his speed and anticipation. There's not a person that can convince me that Brendan Smith was a low IQ/stupid hockey player based on the mistakes he made under Babcock. There was too much there to convince me otherwise.

Just a few examples. These are not low hockey IQ plays. These are Mo Seider level plays.




Then again... he is the only guy I have ever seen play a puck from the bench.
 

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