What does Marchand need to be 1st ballot HHOFer?

[The Hanging Jowl]

Nothing. Compared to some players in the HHOF, he's a lock and should be first ballot.

 

[bobholly39]

lol Brad Marchand isn't going into the hall of fame.

 

[Barrie22]

Do you think either Sedin brother was a better player than Marchand?

Yes both were, and they have the actual hardware to prove it. Both have an art ross, 1 has a hart and the other has a pearson. 1 has 1 king clancy and the other has 2 king clancy awards.

 

[Ghost of Murph]

He's obviously a lock to get in. Anyone thinking he won't get in is letting their dislike of Marchand cloud their common sense. His numbers are clearly HHOF worthy. Then there's what a great all-around player he has been, including his stupid great ability on the PK and penchant for scoring game winners.

So-called first ballot? Depends on what his numbers are when he retires and who else is eligible. Very few players are a lock to get in as soon as they are eligible.

 

[GMR]

Yes both were, and they have the actual hardware to prove it. Both have an art ross, 1 has a hart and the other has a pearson. 1 has 1 king clancy and the other has 2 king clancy awards.

I know they have individual awards. If that were enough, both Sedins would be above Yzerman or Dionne.

I think Marchand is a better overall player than either Sedin. Better playoff performer, more difficult to play against, and a better two-way threat.

 

[Jumptheshark]

So he's definitely making the HOF (sorry if that makes you mad and/or sad). That much seems fated (as per below).

He's at 940 pts now with gas in the tank. Let's say he settles in around 1050. That's ahead of Richard, Sedin, Bergeron, Getzlaf, Lafontaine. That's 2 pts behind Denis Potvin.

That would put him 3rd all time for an original 6 team, behind only Bourque and Bucyk (both in the HOF). Espo, Orr, and everyone in his rear view are in the HOF.

He's presently tied with Kane at 45th all time for playoff points. If I'm not mistaken, only Brian Propp in the list ahead of him isn't in the HOF. He has more playoff points than Jumbo Joe, Richard (both), Bobby Hull, Robitaille, etc.

He's now 3rd all time in overtime winners in league history (regular season). Probably only McDavid and Drai bump him in this group. Maybe a few others.

Cup winner, world cup winner, two time world juniors gold, dominant left winger for at least a 5 year span, 200 foot player, and now team captain.

So how close is that to first ballot?

I reject that notion he is a sure fire hall of famer.

He is close but as other have said. He has never been the best player on his team and he personally trophy case is empty

 

[22Brad Park]

Hall of very good.

Whoever put Guy Carbonneau in the Hall should be there to hold door open for Marchand.

 

[HabsCode]

Whoever put Guy Carbonneau in the Hall should be there to hold door open for Marchand.

Never saw the guy play so can’t express my opinion on the guy, other than I’ve read and heard multiple times that he was one of the best defensive forward to ever play the game.

 

[Crow]

Can't believe 950 points, 1 cup, one 100 point season, and no individual awards of any kind gets you into the hall these days ...

Marchand to me is in the hall of very very good right alongside Toews and Backstrom

Toews has a conn smythe, selke, 2 Olympic gold medals, a few junior championships, and 3 cups. Don’t think he really compares that well to brad or even backstrom.

I know they have individual awards. If that were enough, both Sedins would be above Yzerman or Dionne.

I think Marchand is a better overall player than either Sedin. Better playoff performer, more difficult to play against, and a better two-way threat.

Well it’s not a hall of how good you are. It’s a hall of fame. Individual awards matter quite a bit.

Marchand does have a lot going for him anyway. I think he might get in eventually but I don’t see him as a first year type of lock.

 

[jgatie]

Never saw the guy play so can’t express my opinion on the guy, other than I’ve read and heard multiple times that he was one of the best defensive forward to ever play the game.

So was Steve Kasper, but he didn't wear a CH on his chest.

 

[ItWasJustified]

I sorta feel like Theo Fleury will get in before he does.



Off-ice antics aside, but aren't they the exact same player on the ice?

Theo Fleury was a much better player.

 

[HabsCode]

So was Steve Kasper, but he didn't wear a CH on his chest.

One had 1 Selke, the other had 3. I guess it was because of the CH on his crest, you tell me.

 

[WestCoast CyberG]

Change his name to Sidney Crosby.

 

[CascadiaPuck]

Do you think either Sedin brother was a better player than Marchand?

I believe Marchand makes it in to the HHOF. It’s definitely a hot take to suggest he was a better player than the Sedins. I don’t say that to denigrate Marchand - hate the guy, but he’s got a great track record without doubt. The personal accolades of the Sedins are just more though.

As to “first ballot”, depends on the year (as others have noted) and the rose tinted glasses/ collective amnesia of the voters. He cleaned up his act but his rep is still with him and that certainly can’t help.

 

[Ford Prefect]

So he's definitely making the HOF (sorry if that makes you mad and/or sad). That much seems fated (as per below).

He's at 940 pts now with gas in the tank. Let's say he settles in around 1050. That's ahead of Richard, Sedin, Bergeron, Getzlaf, Lafontaine. That's 2 pts behind Denis Potvin.

That would put him 3rd all time for an original 6 team, behind only Bourque and Bucyk (both in the HOF). Espo, Orr, and everyone in his rear view are in the HOF.

He's presently tied with Kane at 45th all time for playoff points. If I'm not mistaken, only Brian Propp in the list ahead of him isn't in the HOF. He has more playoff points than Jumbo Joe, Richard (both), Bobby Hull, Robitaille, etc.

He's now 3rd all time in overtime winners in league history (regular season). Probably only McDavid and Drai bump him in this group. Maybe a few others.

Cup winner, world cup winner, two time world juniors gold, dominant left winger for at least a 5 year span, 200 foot player, and now team captain.

So how close is that to first ballot?

I'm going to say he needs about... 12 inches.

Flaccid.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

If he were on a small market team his name would never even come up in hall of fame discussions. Playing for Boston probably gets him in eventually even though he shouldn't be in. Had a really good like 4-5 year stretch but other than that his career has been nothing remotely special. Rounds out to hall of very good

 

[Toby91ca]

1st ballot isn't a real thing in hockey. This isn't baseball where it's a recorded accomplishment and voters explicitly take it into account when inducting players.

He's making into the hall. But half the voters don't even know about 1st ballot distinction. I know Americans are desperate for it to exist, but the HHOF just isn't Cooperstown despite how much you want it to be.

Totally agree with this....hate when I see is so and so a "first ballot" hall of famer....it's not a thing for hockey. That said....do I think he'll get in the HHOF in his first year of eligibility? No, I don't think he has much of a chance at all....close to 0%. He's borderline HHOF in my mind, not a lock, but regardless, I don't see it's possible he's in right away....all the stars would have to align.....he'd need to retire in a year when none of the other locks are retiring and then there would have to be no obvious guys that haven't gotten in yet as well....just don't see that happening.

 

[norrisnick]

A time machine at the very least...

 

[Toby91ca]

I know they have individual awards. If that were enough, both Sedins would be above Yzerman or Dionne.

How so?

 

[wetcoast]

Nothing as there are no ballots and this is yet another lazy term stolen from baseball and just like the deadpuck era it doesn't translate well either.

Marchand is going into the HHOF and players are either in or out there is no second ballot.

 

[GMR]

How so?

In Yzerman’s case at least, he never won a Hart or Art Ross.

 

[Toby91ca]

In Yzerman’s case at least, he never won a Hart or Art Ross.

Yeah, but I thought they were simply pointing to number of awards