What do you want em to do?
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ranold26
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- May 28, 2003
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Our prospects/futures rank at the bottom of the league. This is catching up with us already.
Too many times we let UFAs simply walk away for nothing or trade them for next to nothing.
Time to fill the cupboard back up.
Too many times we let UFAs simply walk away for nothing or trade them for next to nothing.
Time to fill the cupboard back up.
Bruin4
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Bruins could make deals and still miss, time to restock the cupboards.
Just wished Sweeney wasn’t the one doing the shopping!
Just wished Sweeney wasn’t the one doing the shopping!
bruinmann77
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DKH
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- Feb 27, 2002
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Trade all 20 players
Sabres blue print
Tage
Tuch
Peterka
Cozins
Kulich
Quinn
Power
Dahlin
Bowman
Rosen
Ostlund
Benson
Helenius
This is what the Bruins need - young freakin talent
14 years forget it but 5-7 we can do
Build it right ~ gotta pick top 5 like Pens
5 Ryan Whitney
1 Fleury
1 Crosby
2 Malkin
2 Staal
I’d rather do the Penguins approach
Sabres blue print
Tage
Tuch
Peterka
Cozins
Kulich
Quinn
Power
Dahlin
Bowman
Rosen
Ostlund
Benson
Helenius
This is what the Bruins need - young freakin talent
14 years forget it but 5-7 we can do
Build it right ~ gotta pick top 5 like Pens
5 Ryan Whitney
1 Fleury
1 Crosby
2 Malkin
2 Staal
I’d rather do the Penguins approach
PlayMakers
Registered User
It would have been simpler if you just used the other thread/poll.
Blowfish
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Mr. Make-Believe
The happy genius of my household
This one
Speculation: Thread 'Do the Bruins make the playoffs?'
EDIT: Reopened with different context.
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Mr. Make-Believe
The happy genius of my household
In the spirit…
I WANT the Bruins to make the playoffs. I never want to see them out. I don’t like it when they suck. I wanted to see more of a shakeup in the offseason when Coyle looked like an asset (coming off a big season) and Carlo could have been dealt without question in an effort to reshape the defense and add a couple of players who could move the puck.
But when that didn’t happen and my worst fears about the roster were worse than I imagined… I still wanted Sweeney to TRY to mix it up. Make a play to diversify the Bruins skillsets. I still don’t believe this is a bad roster - just too one-dimensional to be successful. I looked at the team and I didn’t see one that was missing the playoffs. Just one that could struggle especially if they got behind the score.
But now? I think it’s too late. Empty suit behind the bench. A total inability to build on the few good games they’ve had. Massive regression from players who were reliable just one season ago. There’s no saving them now. Too far gone.
So if he doesn’t factor in to a future vision of the team - dump him. That’s players by the deadline. That’s eventually coaching and management. Give the Bruins a shot at turning this around next season and get back into the playoffs. Eye on the draft. Eye on 2025-2026 and beyond. They blew it this year both by what they did in the offseason… and what they failed or were unwilling to do during the season.
I WANT the Bruins to make the playoffs. I never want to see them out. I don’t like it when they suck. I wanted to see more of a shakeup in the offseason when Coyle looked like an asset (coming off a big season) and Carlo could have been dealt without question in an effort to reshape the defense and add a couple of players who could move the puck.
But when that didn’t happen and my worst fears about the roster were worse than I imagined… I still wanted Sweeney to TRY to mix it up. Make a play to diversify the Bruins skillsets. I still don’t believe this is a bad roster - just too one-dimensional to be successful. I looked at the team and I didn’t see one that was missing the playoffs. Just one that could struggle especially if they got behind the score.
But now? I think it’s too late. Empty suit behind the bench. A total inability to build on the few good games they’ve had. Massive regression from players who were reliable just one season ago. There’s no saving them now. Too far gone.
So if he doesn’t factor in to a future vision of the team - dump him. That’s players by the deadline. That’s eventually coaching and management. Give the Bruins a shot at turning this around next season and get back into the playoffs. Eye on the draft. Eye on 2025-2026 and beyond. They blew it this year both by what they did in the offseason… and what they failed or were unwilling to do during the season.
Blowfish
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McGarnagle
Yes.
- Aug 5, 2017
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The last two weeks knocked them out of realistic contention. It's time to sell.
Smells like TD Garden on an average day.
Warmed over "food" and ass.
I'll make it simple for you:
I want them to lose, keep losing, and lose yet more. I want them to crater. Finish dead last in the league.
I want there to be no question -- none -- that Don Sweeney and Cam Neely must go. In season? Of course not.
A week after they DNQ or get booted in the first round?
Yes please.
There is no question in my mind what this team is, and who needs to go:
*Anyone on this roster, including Brad, Swayman, McAvoy & Pastrnak.*
Will this happen?
No.
Sweeney will "evaluate" until evaluation is no longer tenable.
If there is the slightest iota of mathematical possibility Boston can make the playoffs to match his witless wishful thinking, he will seek to slip into the second season.
The Smartest Guy in the Room will unload Frederic and some minor actors who won't be here next year anyway.
Then, to paraphrase Evan Marinofsky, he will "rent mid."
A spare part here, a spare part there.
Will Don bring up Merkulov or Lysell?
Probably not.
Why?
I don't know why. You'd have to ask him. As soon as he emerges from hiding under his desk or exposes himself to soft balls lobbed his way by the crew @ TNT.
(Did you see that? A collective groan & sigh from my wing of The lunatic fringe.)
I'm sure Don, Cam and Charlie want and sincerely work toward a Stanley Cup.
Don Sweeney deserves great credit for becoming a damn good manager over time, for giving Jim Montgomery a second chance, and pushing all his chips forward in 2022-2023.
But the bottom line remains the bottom line.
"Just win, baby"?
Non.
"Just make the playoffs" ($).
That is the ultimate mandate from Buffalo.
Which leads, largely, to nibbling around the edges and refusing to see what everyone else sees: a roster deficient in nearly every category that must change, dramatically.
Unfortunately, SweeNeely are Sinden Lite.
"Harry doesn't play to win," a fellow GM once remarked.
"He plays not to lose."
*That* is the mentality.
Until they lose money, nothing of import will occur.
Big Z, stand back and stand by.
Warmed over "food" and ass.
I'll make it simple for you:
I want them to lose, keep losing, and lose yet more. I want them to crater. Finish dead last in the league.
I want there to be no question -- none -- that Don Sweeney and Cam Neely must go. In season? Of course not.
A week after they DNQ or get booted in the first round?
Yes please.
There is no question in my mind what this team is, and who needs to go:
*Anyone on this roster, including Brad, Swayman, McAvoy & Pastrnak.*
Will this happen?
No.
Sweeney will "evaluate" until evaluation is no longer tenable.
If there is the slightest iota of mathematical possibility Boston can make the playoffs to match his witless wishful thinking, he will seek to slip into the second season.
The Smartest Guy in the Room will unload Frederic and some minor actors who won't be here next year anyway.
Then, to paraphrase Evan Marinofsky, he will "rent mid."
A spare part here, a spare part there.
Will Don bring up Merkulov or Lysell?
Probably not.
Why?
I don't know why. You'd have to ask him. As soon as he emerges from hiding under his desk or exposes himself to soft balls lobbed his way by the crew @ TNT.
(Did you see that? A collective groan & sigh from my wing of The lunatic fringe.)
I'm sure Don, Cam and Charlie want and sincerely work toward a Stanley Cup.
Don Sweeney deserves great credit for becoming a damn good manager over time, for giving Jim Montgomery a second chance, and pushing all his chips forward in 2022-2023.
But the bottom line remains the bottom line.
"Just win, baby"?
Non.
"Just make the playoffs" ($).
That is the ultimate mandate from Buffalo.
Which leads, largely, to nibbling around the edges and refusing to see what everyone else sees: a roster deficient in nearly every category that must change, dramatically.
Unfortunately, SweeNeely are Sinden Lite.
"Harry doesn't play to win," a fellow GM once remarked.
"He plays not to lose."
*That* is the mentality.
Until they lose money, nothing of import will occur.
Big Z, stand back and stand by.
Forester65
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- Jan 31, 2019
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If you can make a trade to bring in a player who can help improve the PP, it may be worth doing. An experienced scorer for the power play a la someone like a Marchessault, Verhaege or Anders Lee.
The PK needs help more than ever. Getting rid of limp-wristed Carlo who can't seem to clear a puck might be addition by subtraction. Please don't reply that because he shoots right he's an asset. His shot looks like a butterfly going toward the net...
The PK needs help more than ever. Getting rid of limp-wristed Carlo who can't seem to clear a puck might be addition by subtraction. Please don't reply that because he shoots right he's an asset. His shot looks like a butterfly going toward the net...
PlayMakers
Registered User
I want to see them retool, with an eye towards contending in the next 1-4 years.
I want them to make moves that hurt us in the next 3-4 months, but set us up well for the next 3-4 years.
I don't want to see them rebuild. To me that means selling off players for picks that won't help us for 5 years. If you can do that around the periphery, if you can move a guy who's not that important for a 3rd ok go ahead, another lottery ticket. But don't move Carlo for a pick if you can get a young player or NHL ready prospect instead. I only move Marchand if I KNOW I can get him back on July 1st. IMO, he's part of the next 4 years.
I also don't want to see the Bruins trade futures. They need to start building their next core and to do that they need to make their picks. I would love to see them drop into the top10 so they can get a Desnoyers or McQueen who I think will be in the NHL within 2 years.
Honestly, I think the Bruins have a good core, there are some good young players in progress, and there's a good supporting cast here. Use the deadline to change the mix, get younger if you can, get more skilled if you can, and free up cap space for July 1st.
I want them to make moves that hurt us in the next 3-4 months, but set us up well for the next 3-4 years.
I don't want to see them rebuild. To me that means selling off players for picks that won't help us for 5 years. If you can do that around the periphery, if you can move a guy who's not that important for a 3rd ok go ahead, another lottery ticket. But don't move Carlo for a pick if you can get a young player or NHL ready prospect instead. I only move Marchand if I KNOW I can get him back on July 1st. IMO, he's part of the next 4 years.
I also don't want to see the Bruins trade futures. They need to start building their next core and to do that they need to make their picks. I would love to see them drop into the top10 so they can get a Desnoyers or McQueen who I think will be in the NHL within 2 years.
Honestly, I think the Bruins have a good core, there are some good young players in progress, and there's a good supporting cast here. Use the deadline to change the mix, get younger if you can, get more skilled if you can, and free up cap space for July 1st.
Get a fresh perspective behind the bench. New coaching staff is the first thing I'm doing. This team has 9-10 players that you can build around, but our forward depth is non-existent and our prospect pool is thin. That's gotta be fixed at the deadline and over the summer. its time to move the UFAs for picks/prospects and restock the cupboard.
A coaching change will fix the special teams. Adding some scoring depth shouldn't be too difficult either over the summer. We don't need a blockbuster move, just a couple of guys you can depend on to pot 20+ goals. We f***ed this roster up over one summer, and we can fix it over one summer as well. At least we can fix it enough to get back into the playoffs.....Get there first, and build from there.
A coaching change will fix the special teams. Adding some scoring depth shouldn't be too difficult either over the summer. We don't need a blockbuster move, just a couple of guys you can depend on to pot 20+ goals. We f***ed this roster up over one summer, and we can fix it over one summer as well. At least we can fix it enough to get back into the playoffs.....Get there first, and build from there.
TheReal13Linseman
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I’m gonna go out on a limb here and state that The Don Godfather is the only vote so far for choice number 3.
Post of the Year.
Thank you.
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Just an opinion. Everyone has one.
Dennis Bonvie
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Mostly agree, but there is one thing I don't think can be fixed in just one summer. Can't challenge for a Cup without a proper 1C, and the Bruins don't have one. And when you look at the current market heading into the coming offseason, and look at what assets the Bruins have to work with, getting one anytime really soon looks like it's going to be very difficult. Perhaps they'll spring something really good but it feels very unlikely in this regard.
After all, if you go back 8 months, Sweeney is not stupid. He has to have known the question marks around Elias Lindholm and his recent form. But his center options were essentially him and Chandler Stephenson. So he took a calculated chance rather than get nothing. Which perhaps was a mistake, especially given the size of the contract, but an understandable one. Point is there are not many legit 1Cs around and when a sensible team gets one they wisely hold on very tight.
But otherwise I think you're on the right track. In the first instance, sort out the coaching, get some dependable scoring depth, inject some speed, tinker with the D, and that should do a lot to steady things and make the team competitive again next season. And then, as you say, build from there, make the team a more attractive proposition, and hope that sooner rather than later you can land a C truly worth his salt. This is maybe a 2-3 year project but there's nothing wrong with that, as long as it's managed well.
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neelynugs
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same. i look at what washington did and it's impressive (and doable). they have zero players in the 4 nations tournament.
the GM just made a lot of very savvy moves and took a crusty roster and revitalized it.
i look at what vancouver does regularly and when things aren't working they find ways to make it work. in boston i see a
GM who likes to observe, observe more, observe more, still do nothing...lacks creativity, is too in love with his own players.
retool on the fly is the way to go. move out the freddy/coyle/carlo faction and use all that capital to get better now and in
the long run. it's not only doable but it's smart business. but what do i expect? more of the same.
RiverbottomChuck
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I understand not wanting to become a team in a perpetual rebuild as that's just as bas as perpetual mediocrity but look around the league, if my memory is right the Bruins are only beaten by Pittsburgh in their time not picking top 3 and they got Fleury, Crosby, and Malkin out of their picks compared to the Bruins with Seguin. They need to trade for a new core piece that is the age to contribute now and the future or draft one imo it's time.
The Bruins can't be fixed by present management, they're the ones that dug the hole in the first place.
New management is needed. Everyone from Neely down has to go with 2 exceptions: Evan Gold and Bob Essensa. I think Gold has done an excellent job managing the cap for the Bruins & Goalie Bob is the best goaltending coach in the NHL.
The new GM will have to be creative with trades & UFA signings which are 2 areas in which Sweeney has not been overly successful to put it mildly. The Bs drafting position is what it is. JJ probably will not go for tanking a few years in order to improve it so the team has to do better at finding good players throughout each draft.
It's time for another thorough housecleaning- once with a high pressure steam hose and then once with a flamethrower. It's the only way to be sure.
New management is needed. Everyone from Neely down has to go with 2 exceptions: Evan Gold and Bob Essensa. I think Gold has done an excellent job managing the cap for the Bruins & Goalie Bob is the best goaltending coach in the NHL.
The new GM will have to be creative with trades & UFA signings which are 2 areas in which Sweeney has not been overly successful to put it mildly. The Bs drafting position is what it is. JJ probably will not go for tanking a few years in order to improve it so the team has to do better at finding good players throughout each draft.
It's time for another thorough housecleaning- once with a high pressure steam hose and then once with a flamethrower. It's the only way to be sure.
PlayMakers
Registered User
I agree, but I'm not ready to say this GM can't do it. He took over a team that was over the cap and out of the playoffs and retooled it into a team that would go to the finals 4 years later, and win more games than any team in the last 8 years. He's been retooling this team for years and just last year they put up 109 points. He's also let guys go that he picked, like DeBrusk and Ullmark so I don't think he's afraid to trade Freddy or Coyle. He's brought in McAvoy, Swayman, Hampus, Carlo, Lohrei, Zadorov, Zacha, Geekie, Coyle, Frederic, Poitras, Kastelic... There's a lot to like there.
I think he's earned the chance to right the ship once again.
