What do you think should happen with Derek Lalonde?

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Which is all well and fine, but if we were going to sign guys to fill holes for one or two years, why not just extend Perron for a year or two, and/or not trade Fabbri? It'd have had the same effect, without breaking chemistry.

Steve obviously thought he was signing upgrades on those guys, which in my eyes means Steve thought we'd at least contend this year.

I don't think it's obvious that Yzerman thought he was signing upgrades.

Perron got a 2-year deal with Ottawa. Yzerman may not have wanted to give more than one, which I can't blame him for. I like Perron's puck-battling skills and leadership but there's not a lot else there and he's only gonna get slower. Ghost got 3 years with Carolina, which I would not want him around for that long.

I always liked Fabbri but don't know that we miss him either.

I guess it depends on what you mean by contend. Contend for a playoff spot? Sure maybe. With some of the kids coming in and based on last year I think that's reasonable.

Contend for anything more than being 1st round fodder? I don't think so.

 

[Run the Jewels]

We can go young and trade them all except Mo, Razor, Kasper, Ed and Larkin. If we are going to suck anyway we need to be way younger than this...

If you are going to tank and hope to compete in 3-4 years then Larkin becomes expendable. His play will start to drop off when he's in his early 30s.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

If you are going to tank and hope to compete in 3-4 years then Larkin becomes expendable. His play will start to drop off when he's in his early 30s.

I didn't want to say it but I would flip him for like a Logan Cooley tier player plus picks.

 

[lilidk]

I know its going to suck but if we punt this season, sell at the deadline and have another strong draft we might be set up better in 3-4 years...

I like to trade for something Chiarot, Rasmussen, Kane and Tarasenko and replace them with Lombardi, Mazur and Soderblom .
Cat Larkin Raymond
Lombardi Kasper Mazur
Soderblom Compher Berggren
Motte Fischer Veleno
Ed Seider
Who cares
Who cares
Bring ASP , Danielson and MBN next season. Bring solid #3 defenseman next summer, bring new coach and I don't think we wait for 3-4 years, we could be good next season.

I didn't want to say it but I would flip him for like a Logan Cooley tier player plus picks.

No way , Larkin is just like Raymond or Seider, untouchable, without him team will be suck for next 5 or so years

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

I don't think it's obvious that Yzerman thought he was signing upgrades.

Perron got a 2-year deal with Ottawa. Yzerman may not have wanted to give more than one, which I can't blame him for. I like Perron's puck-battling skills and leadership but there's not a lot else there and he's only gonna get slower. Ghost got 3 years with Carolina, which I would not want him around for that long.

I always liked Fabbri but don't know that we miss him either.

I guess it depends on what you mean by contend. Contend for a playoff spot? Sure maybe. With some of the kids coming in and based on last year I think that's reasonable.

Contend for anything more than being 1st round fodder? I don't think so.

My point still stands. If Steve was already considering this 2024/2025 season another rebuild year, why bother signing aging free agents? Why not just re-sign the guys we had (Ghost excluded) for a year or two? Could've thrown Perron in the press box when his legs really fell off. Hell, even Sprong got league minimum for one year.

 

[sepster]

My point still stands. If Steve was already considering this 2024/2025 season another rebuild year, why bother signing aging free agents? Why not just re-sign the guys we had (Ghost excluded) for a year or two? Could've thrown Perron in the press box when his legs really fell off. Hell, even Sprong got league minimum for one year.

And then was immediately traded away for nothing.

 

[Frk It]

My brother in Christ, we're 5 years into Yzermans rebuild, 8 years into the rebuild altogether. 25 years of playoffs started well before I was born. I get "have patience", but why give deals to Kane and Tank and Gus when we had dudes waiting to fill those spots in the lineup?

Sounds more like Steve had higher expectations for where we should be. And in that case, why not make a coaching change?

I would have had upgrading the blueline way higher on the priority list than signing Kane or Tarasenko. So I feel you there.

My guess is they opted for Tarasenko and Kane because they wanted to come here and some of the defenseman that were available did not. At least I can only hope that was the case.

I don't know what Yzerman's expectations were for this season. If they had high expectations for the team this year I would have thought they would done more this off season than what we got. In particular the lack of urgency around upgrading the blue line. To me that gives me the impression this season did not have that high of expectations.

 

[Winger98]

And then was immediately traded away for nothing.

really, it should be noted that of the UFA we let walk Ghost is the only one doing well. For as bad as Tank has been I think he's arguably been better than Perron, Fabbri, and Sprong. I know that doesn't mean we had to sign Tank at all, but the guys we let go have pretty clearly not taken off elsewhere, either.

 

[saska sault]

really, it should be noted that of the UFA we let walk Ghost is the only one doing well. For as bad as Tank has been I think he's arguably been better than Perron, Fabbri, and Sprong. I know that doesn't mean we had to sign Tank at all, but the guys we let go have pretty clearly not taken off elsewhere, either.

Add Fabbri to the list also.

Just noticed he's injured. Guy has zero luck.

 

[SoupNazi]

Add Fabbri to the list also.

Just noticed he's injured. Guy has zero luck.

The injuries have been the knock on him going back to his draft year, haven't they?

I seem to recall there being a huge argument on this board for a couple years after he was drafted because people wanted him, but the guy just hasn't been able to stay consistently healthy even going back to his days in the OHL.

 

[Oddbob]

Add Fabbri to the list also.

Just noticed he's injured. Guy has zero luck.

Also another leg injury I believe.

 

[Henkka]

Guys who have been healthy scratches at this season, and at same time they reported about the "flu bug going on".

- Tarasenko
- Compher
- Veleno

Those are our biggest underachievers, they look like all of them have lost the ability/stamina for skating they once had.

I just can't stop thinking it's the flu bug which has really been bothering them, the most serious onces, because they had to miss games thanks to that. And it has been the reason for the whole poor season.

This team has lost something from the physical side of things, because too many of former players are a lot slower and/or exhausted in the games earlier than they were on last year.

 

[SantosHalper]

Fire Fester, fire Boughner, fire Varady. Make Tanguay interim coach for rest of the season and bring in Paul MacLean and Dave Lewis as assistants. Hire Todd Nelson next off-season.

 

[schuelma24]

Keep him, play Husso in goal and tank to have a shot at Misa.

 

[Gniwder]

5-6-2

Tied for 3rd worst home record this season. Can't even use home ice to his advantage.

 

[Pavels Dog]

If the PK was functional we'd be like 8-1 the last 9.

 

[Winger98]

If the PK was functional we'd be like 8-1 the last 9.

The PK has been awful.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

The PK has been awful.

65% baby!

 

[WingedWheel1987]

65% baby!

 

[SirloinUB]

Can anyone think of any times an assistant coach has been fired mid season?

Right or wrong it feel like at the very least someone like Boughner should be fired over the PK results.

 

[lilidk]

How strange, our pk is horrible, still Raymond and Larkin are regulars at pk. I could understand if they create something and scores, but they didn't.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

How strange, our pk is horrible, still Raymond and Larkin are regulars at pk. I could understand if they create something and scores, but they didn't.

yeah I don't know if they want them out there for speed or what. Compher and Motte are the leading PK guys but Larkin and Raymond are close behind.

Last season the top 3 PK guys were Compher, Copp and Ras. That's back when the PK was pretty decent (79%). I'm not sure what the thinking is in changing it but it's clearly not working.

 

[GMR]

What is their record since this thread was started?

Doesn’t seem to be helping.