What are your thoughts on the Rantanen trade?

[expatriatedtexan]

”My understanding is that Rantanen was willing to take less than what a July 1 market number looked like to stay in Colorado, but even so, his number was not in the same realm as where the Avs were.

Meaning, I don’t think Rantanen was stuck at $14 million a year. He would have taken less to stay in Denver. But I would imagine even being around the $12.6 million MacKinnon average annual value was seen as too much by the Avs.”

LeBrun: Unpacking the Mikko Rantanen trade — a rare NHL in-season blockbuster

Where does the NHL's biggest in-season trade in decades leave the Canes, Avs and Blackhawks ... and the Canucks and Rangers? Let's dig in.

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Mikko might have stayed with 12,6 mill I guess.

Mikko may have also declined an offer of 13.5M thinking that was 250K too much of a discount.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

It's out of love

Yeah. We appreciate what you do. When you're gone the absence is noticeable. Unlike Mitts. When he got benched nobody realized it for the entire game. Not even his linemates.

i know ! i didnt even remember the last comment i made on here . When i saw the alert i thought: oh someone quoted me .

.... it was disappointing when i saw the reason of the alert

 

[MaKarter]

I think this trade is not all about the money Rantanen would or wouldn't take. It seemed to me CMac knew we weren't good enough again and he used his best trade chip to get what he could while he still had the value. We'll see how he is able to patch the remaining holes in the roster but we are still currently not a deep enough team.

Mikko was definitely used as a trade chip and it sucks that him and MacKinnon are upset about that. CMac pushed the f*** around and find out button.

 

[blundluntman]

Too drunk to have thoughts. I do have feelings (of despair) though

 

[Golden Foppa]

Sounds like either Mikko or his agent priced him out of staying with the Avs. It was pretty easy to read between the lines today. MacFarland mentioned that he had the UFA card and state sponsored media on Altitude were spinning that it was either take the Canes leading scorer, a young 3C, and two draft picks or watch him walk for nothing in the summer.

I think the franchise did the right thing. That said, the team appears to be emotionally broken from this.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Too drunk to have thoughts. I do have feelings (of despair) though

Come back to us and share when you do though

 

[NorthernAvsFan]

I think this trade is not all about the money Rantanen would or wouldn't take. It seemed to me CMac knew we weren't good enough again and he used his best trade chip to get what he could while he still had the value. We'll see how he is able to patch the remaining holes in the roster but we are still currently not a deep enough team.

Mikko was definitely used as a trade chip and it sucks that him and MacKinnon are upset about that. CMac pushed the f*** around and find out button.

Agree here.

I think the construction of a 3 player team is something they wanted to get away from. It’s been compounded by the injuries, but that’s what it’s felt like this year.

I also saw the MacKinnon interview… honestly it didn’t seem like he was mad. More sad, to see his buddy go. He seems ready to move forward with the current group.

 

[MaKarter]

Agree here.

I think the construction of a 3 player team is something they wanted to get away from. It’s been compounded by the injuries, but that’s what it’s felt like this year.

I also saw the MacKinnon interview… honestly it didn’t seem like he was mad. More sad, to see his buddy go. He seems ready to move forward with the current group.

Got to move forward. Sakic knows it, and these guys are learning it. I hope the MacKinnon and Makar duo win 1 more Cup together.

 

[The Abusement Park]

The team is just straight up worse than it was yesterday... It will take some time to find out if this trade was good or not but CMac has to hit on his following moves to shore up the depth.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Agree here.

I think the construction of a 3 player team is something they wanted to get away from. It’s been compounded by the injuries, but that’s what it’s felt like this year.

I also saw the MacKinnon interview… honestly it didn’t seem like he was mad. More sad, to see his buddy go. He seems ready to move forward with the current group.

f*** their feelings, Darwin is a bitch.


Fulfill your contract or we move on.

Stanley doesn't converse with bitches

 

[expatriatedtexan]

My thoughts are always on the absurd and not on the actual hockey. I'm wondering how many of y'all are going to be lurking in Carolina's GDT's ready to pounce and shower them with five pages of Moose gifs that we've accumulated over the years when he nets his first goal.

Or are we still in the "F dem pansies, they can make their own gifs" stage?

 

[PAZ]

My feelings have changed over the course of the season. I don't think Rants deserves the same salary as Mack, but with the rumors the salary cap jumping up significantly it changes things. If Rants is making $12.5 mil you can still ice a competitive roster if the salary cap is going to be $95-100 mil in the next few years.

If he wants more than $13 mil, I agree with the trade. Maybe Rants might've signed for under $13 mil in the 11th hour, but it's hard to pass up on a player like Necas to potentially re-sign Rants.

But it will ultimately depend on what they do with the extra cap space. If they get another impact player like Jones or Miller with the cap they're saving this year and next year i'll give it to CMac. But if all the trades fall through and we're left with just Necas and Drury, i'll be disappointed.

 

[RECKLESS]

Heart says no, head says yes.

In a vacuum we're not better now than two days ago. But with all the movables, we can be better by the deadline and beyond the next seasons than with keeping Mikko.

I see it as, having all of Nate, Mikko and Cale was the luxury we simply can't afford to have going forward. One had to go and the one had to be Mikko.

 

[pelderhostiga]

I'm curious what you think about the rumors that the Avs managment saw 11.75 mil as the absolute ceiling for a new contract? I think that shows how little Rantanen was appreciated, and MacFarland basically confirmed in an interview that he was used as a trade asset. People here talk about a price tag of 13-14 million, but I don't think it would've been impossible to build a team if Mikko got the 12-12.5 million deal he has clearly earned.

 

[Jasenr]

I'm curious what you think about the rumors that the Avs managment saw 11.75 mil as the absolute ceiling for a new contract? I think that shows how little Rantanen was appreciated, and MacFarland basically confirmed in an interview that he was used as a trade asset. People here talk about a price tag of 13-14 million, but I don't think it would've been impossible to build a team if Mikko got the 12-12.5 million deal he has clearly earned.

Im more convinced they were never gonna pay anyone more. That was the Avs limit roster construction and extending window in mind no matter what.

Mikko just got too good over the years to be in the team no matter how much it hurts.

Yes he could have taken 11.75mil, but that was always gonna be a team friendly deal from his caliber guy with the incoming cap in mind.

Maybe in the end Mikko would have accepted it even with his manager and/or NHLPA telling otherwise behind him, but we will never know.

Canes gave offer too good to not accept it and the rest is history.

 

[LOFIN]

I'm curious what you think about the rumors that the Avs managment saw 11.75 mil as the absolute ceiling for a new contract? I think that shows how little Rantanen was appreciated, and MacFarland basically confirmed in an interview that he was used as a trade asset. People here talk about a price tag of 13-14 million, but I don't think it would've been impossible to build a team if Mikko got the 12-12.5 million deal he has clearly earned.

When he eventually signs a new contract, we can look back at it more objectively. Right now it's just a pissing contest with the Rantanen lovers like me, who are convinced that the Avs didn't offer enough (and if the number is 11.75 I think they should've gone higher), and those who think Rantanen is greedy and was dead set on making 13-14M.

We'll revisit when the time comes. Now, its more important to focus on making the other moves. Because this can't be the only one. And even more importantly, maybe Sakic and CMac should call the coaching staff to a meeting and tell them that someone is going to fix the powerplay. It can be the current coaching staff, or someone coming on from the outside. Choice is theirs.

 

[Grigowski]

It hurts to watch the big fella in another jersey... Honestly.

Still think this trade could have been avoided......

 

[Miri]

One thing is sure, just like in 2006, when we lost Forsberg, we are once again getting f***ed by salary cap.

This time, at least we still have couple of competitive years ahead, so maybe we manage to retool and nick one more Cup. When Foppa left, it was obvious we were done. Now i still have hope.

 

[John Mandalorian]

When he eventually signs a new contract, we can look back at it more objectively. Right now it's just a pissing contest with the Rantanen lovers like me, who are convinced that the Avs didn't offer enough (and if the number is 11.75 I think they should've gone higher), and those who think Rantanen is greedy and was dead set on making 13-14M.

We'll revisit when the time comes. Now, its more important to focus on making the other moves. Because this can't be the only one. And even more importantly, maybe Sakic and CMac should call the coaching staff to a meeting and tell them that someone is going to fix the powerplay. It can be the current coaching staff, or someone coming on from the outside. Choice is theirs.

If Ranatanen’s agent was in the low 12s don’t you think there would be more of a conversation or a desire to delay a trade? And keep in mind that 12.25 is the 98 over 8 years which many here have mentioned many times. It seems like Rantanen was allowing his agent to run their playbook. That playbook includes calculus relating to how most GMs react and how that affects negotiating timelines. It seems like Rantanens representation misread this (or didn’t care) and now Rantanen and the Avs have to live with it.

It seems like he was traded because they weren’t even close. If this was because of negotiating tactic and Rantanen didn’t want this outcome, then he needs to have a conversation with his agent.

If Rantanen was willing to eventually come down to the low 12s, his agent really bungled this. Whatever number Rantanen is holding out for, it’s coming from his agent. It’s hard to call Rantanen greedy for listening to his agent.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

It hurts to watch the big fella in another jersey... Honestly.

Still think this trade could have been avoided......

That red jersey doesn´t fit Rantanen at all, looks like AI created video on the other way Necas looking sharp in white red blue. Still better to lose Rantanen than Makar.

 

[Metallo]

For the Avs current front office it's a fact and they will regret it. But the Question is "Would you have traded Mikko Rantanen?".
How can anyone answer "He priced himself out" not knowing what was Rantanen's number?

He priced himself out because the Avs were not confident they could get a reasonable deal out of Mikko and time was running out. I don't need to know the number, the Avs know the number and acted accordingly.

 

[katfude]

Named my dog after mikko and i still woulda traded him based on what we currently believe to know. Losing him for nothing would be madness. Paying him too much keeps us as a 1 line team for a long time. Mikko here was not going to win us another cup this year anyway. Not with our 2C playing like a boat anchor that could stop the titanic.

 

[nightonthesun]

No one gets it.

Radiohead fans, man. Every time

 

[The Pwnerer]

It's going to come down to what he signs for in the offseason. I doubt he gets the 14 since he's not a center but he definitely becomes the highest paid winger in the NHL. Somewhere in that 11.7-13 million range beating out Panarin. At that range I think we're going to see a quite divided bunch with a closer even split.

Also Marners is UFA this offseason. Anything he makes you know Rantanens camp will up big time. That was something Cmac wasn't willing to take a risk on.

 

[Grackle Party]

I still remember how bad it sucked to lose Paul Stastny for nothing to FA (and a rival no less). I think that was a real possibility here and would have been 1000% worse with Mikko