HF Habs: What are your initial impressions of the Habs 2023 Draft class?

[Twisted Sinister]

I got that part of the idea but that doesn't mean Molson will step in and say" Hey that's enough of you going after your ex-clients! "

Well, of course Molson wouldn't step in and question all the nepotism going on (even other than Newhook). He hasn't exactly been very good on the owner front.

 

[Belial]

Well, of course Molson wouldn't step in and question all the nepotism going on (even other than Newhook). He hasn't exactly been very good on the owner front.

You seem quite triggered by the recent moves, aren't you?

So what move made by so-called nepotism triggers you the most?

 

[KevSkillz4]

More the days advance, the Reinbacher pick looks sooo goood, I'm very hype about Hutson - Reinbacher pairing, I think they can truly become a dominate top pairing.

Imagine having Guhle with Mailloux as a second pairing... that's incredible on paper, I'm 100% confident with Mailloux to become a really good defenseman at NHL level.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

He's saying it was nepotism. Seems to be a lot of that going on in this org.

Has Hughes hired his nephew a la Nick Carriere yet?

 

[Twisted Sinister]

You seem quite triggered by the recent moves, aren't you?

So what move made by so-called nepotism triggers you the most?

Bobrov.

 

[Bombshell11]

You seem quite triggered by the recent moves, aren't you?

So what move made by so-called nepotism triggers you the most?

The problem with your comments is that you're extrapolating on someone's opinions alot.

Someone says A is good and you're replying with so you think B, C, D, F, G,... Z are bad?

Like come on man that's not how normal people argue. Politicians sure, but this is not a debate. The goal is not to win arguments but to exchange thoughts.

 

[Bombshell11]

I got that part of the idea but that doesn't mean Molson will step in and say" Hey that's enough of you going after your ex-clients! "

You can hire your ex-clients, friends and families but you need to make sure their added value will be better than what you traded for.

A late 1st and an early 2nd are pretty nice picks which can fetch you a Subban or a Pleckanec. You basicly have 2 shots at a key player for your organisation. Newhook will have to be at least as good as one of the 2 potential players we sacrificed for him. If in 3 years he flops and the 2 picks who we would have picked end up being 2 top6/top4 players than at that point you gotta look at your GM and be wtf you did?

 

[Milhouse40]

You can hire your ex-clients, friends and families but you need to make sure their added value will be better than what you traded for.

A late 1st and an early 2nd are pretty nice picks which can fetch you a Subban or a Pleckanec. You basicly have 2 shots at a key player for your organisation. Newhook will have to be at least as good as one of the 2 potential players we sacrificed for him. If in 3 years he flops and the 2 picks who we would have picked end up being 2 top6/top4 players than at that point you gotta look at your GM and be wtf you did?

Each picks hold about 5% chance of hitting on a good NHLer. There's also value in adding Newhook right away versus waiting 2-3 years before knowing if those prospects will even make the NHL.

It's easy to say 2-3 years after the fact and cherry picked players that would have been available with those picks, but it doesn't means the Habs was going to pick them anyway. Newhook is an NHL, we already hit with those pick.

 

[Bombshell11]

Each picks hold about 5% chance of hitting on a good NHLer. There's also value in adding Newhook right away versus waiting 2-3 years before knowing if those prospects will even make the NHL.

It's easy to say 2-3 years after the fact and cherry picked players that would have been available with those picks, but it doesn't means the Habs was going to pick them anyway. Newhook is an NHL, we already hit with those pick.

Tha habs had a list of players, there's no cherry picking here, they know who they would have picked at 31 and 37 based on what was available. If those 2 guys they had planned to pick pan out and become top players AND Newhook stinks, it's an issue.

 

[LaP]

Each picks hold about 5% chance of hitting on a good NHLer. There's also value in adding Newhook right away versus waiting 2-3 years before knowing if those prospects will even make the NHL.
It's easy to say 2-3 years after the fact and cherry picked players that would have been available with those picks, but it doesn't means the Habs was going to pick them anyway. Newhook is an NHL, we already hit with those pick.

Newhook will need to become more than the 3r liner he has been so far for it to be a good trade though. 3rd liners are relatively easy to acquire. When the caps won their 3rd line was made of guys like Eller and Conolly two guys acquire via trade. Pens had guys like Bonino and Cullen in their depth when they won again acquired from other teams. The guys hard to get are Ovy, Crosby, Kane, Pietrangelo, ... At this point in time we are not in a position to give two "2nd round" picks for a 3rd liner so Newhook has to develop and become and quality top 6 player if we want to rate this as a good trade.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Tha habs had a list of players, there's no cherry picking here, they know who they would have picked at 31 and 37 based on what was available. If those 2 guys they had planned to pick pan out and become top players AND Newhook stinks, it's an issue.

I'll add that another small forward with an upper-midcard ceiling just isn't what the organization needed at all, regardless of his skating ability.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Newhook will need to become more than the 3r liner he has been so far for it to be a good trade though. 3rd liners are relatively easy to acquire. When the caps won their 3rd line was made of guys like Eller and Conolly two guys acquire via trade. Pens had guys like Bonino and Cullen in their depth when they won again acquired from other teams. The guys hard to get are Ovy, Crosby, Kane, Pietrangelo, ... At this point in time we are not in a position to give two "2nd round" picks for a 3rd liner so Newhook has to develop and become and quality top 6 player if we want to rate this as a good trade.

Eller was traded for 2 2nd round picks and was further along in his development. The Habs paid slightly more for Newhook because they believe he can be more.

Just cause you see him as a 3rd liner at 22 doesn't mean they do.

 

[Bombshell11]

Eller was traded for 2 2nd round picks and was further along in his development. The Habs paid slightly more for Newhook because they believe he can be more.

Just cause you see him as a 3rd liner at 22 doesn't mean they do.

Of course,

Every parent sees their kid as the next Crosby, doesn't mean it's true.

 

[Milhouse40]

Tha habs had a list of players, there's no cherry picking here, they know who they would have picked at 31 and 37 based on what was available. If those 2 guys they had planned to pick pan out and become top players AND Newhook stinks, it's an issue.

I meant as Fans.
We don't have that list, so we will never know who they would have picked.

Newhook will need to become more than the 3r liner he has been so far for it to be a good trade though. 3rd liners are relatively easy to acquire. When the caps won their 3rd line was made of guys like Eller and Conolly two guys acquire via trade. Pens had guys like Bonino and Cullen in their depth when they won again acquired from other teams. The guys hard to get are Ovy, Crosby, Kane, Pietrangelo, ... At this point in time we are not in a position to give two "2nd round" picks for a 3rd liner so Newhook has to develop and become and quality top 6 player if we want to rate this as a good trade.

Your chance of getting one of those guys hard to get with a low 1st and early 2nd are like 1%. I think there's a better chance to develop Newhook, which is a 16th overall into something better than those lower picks.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

So in your opinion, Hughes got Newhook just for his own personal interest? and what that interest would be? Make Newhook rich?

I don't even understand where are you trying to go with this.

I fear Newhook will become the new whipping boy for a segment of our fanbase.

 

[1909]

I fear Newhook will become the new whipping boy for a segment of our fanbase.

He will if he cannot crack the top-six and-or get a minimum of 50-60 points per season.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I fear Newhook will become the new whipping boy for a segment of our fanbase.

Ah we got a few of them

 

[Paddy17]

in my 20+ years on this site, I've had people threaten my life by showing they found out where I lived, I had a stalker because I kept saying how terrible Lefebvre was and he didn't like it. I've been called a Nazi and a French lover or hater depending on which side the poster was on that I gave them a warning (all this was back in the day, very different HF and mod stuff has really changed for the better in terms of not having to get into it with posters like that. As on this board it was if you warned the poster and he was say bashing French players, then I was just a French loving player and vise versa.

Man, so many people are unhinged... that's totally crazy!

 

[dcyhabs]

Well, of course Molson wouldn't step in and question all the nepotism going on (even other than Newhook). He hasn't exactly been very good on the owner front.

Nepotism is when someone fires people working for them and hires family. Houle is sort of habs family, but not related to any current guys, and Lefebvre was the last actual family hire I can remember.

It's pretty common for new execs to bring in a bunch of their own people either because the people are good or because of loyalty one or both ways. It's not necessarily a good or a bad thing. I've known good business people who do it and bad business people who do it. Good ones won't bring dead wood along, or at least won't let them do anything important.

I've known some people who bring in their own guys because they are terrible and they like yes men, and I've known some who would track down good people they had worked with and ask them to sign on. I don't have much faith in Bobrov, but I don't see a problem with Hughes dealing for ex-clients, as he should know them well and there shouldn't be any conflict of interest now that he is no longer their agent.

It will become a problem if the habs end up with a GM who would rather lose with a bunch of incompetent foxhole buddies rather than hiring some people with actual competence who might not suck up as much. It's unfortunate that it won't become obvious until it is too late to change if it's wrong, but it's not reasonable to start replacing people a year or two in.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Nepotism is when someone fires people working for them and hires family. Houle is sort of habs family, but not related to any current guys, and Lefebvre was the last actual family hire I can remember.

It's pretty common for new execs to bring in a bunch of their own people either because the people are good or because of loyalty one or both ways. It's not necessarily a good or a bad thing. I've known good business people who do it and bad business people who do it. Good ones won't bring dead wood along, or at least won't let them do anything important.

I've known some people who bring in their own guys because they are terrible and they like yes men, and I've known some who would track down good people they had worked with and ask them to sign on. I don't have much faith in Bobrov, but I don't see a problem with Hughes dealing for ex-clients, as he should know them well and there shouldn't be any conflict of interest now that he is no longer their agent.

It will become a problem if the habs end up with a GM who would rather lose with a bunch of incompetent foxhole buddies rather than hiring some people with actual competence who might not suck up as much. It's unfortunate that it won't become obvious until it is too late to change if it's wrong, but it's not reasonable to start replacing people a year or two in.

In this case it referred to hiring buddies and trading for former clients that make no sense for the team. It can also extend to friends.

https://www.inc.com/encyclopedia/nepotism.html#:~:text=In%20the%20business%20world%2C%20nepotism,is%20a%20form%20of%20nepotism.

I'd rather just hiring the best people for the job... And Bobrov wasn't it.

 

[Gustave]

in my 20+ years on this site, I've had people threaten my life by showing they found out where I lived, I had a stalker because I kept saying how terrible Lefebvre was and he didn't like it. I've been called a Nazi and a French lover or hater depending on which side the poster was on that I gave them a warning (all this was back in the day, very different HF and mod stuff has really changed for the better in terms of not having to get into it with posters like that. As on this board it was if you warned the poster and he was say bashing French players, then I was just a French loving player and vise versa.

Jesus man… the internet is a WILD place.. sorry for all that shit

Keep up the great work, you’re appreciated.

 

[Miller Time]

In this case it referred to hiring buddies and trading for former clients that make no sense for the team. It can also extend to friends.

https://www.inc.com/encyclopedia/nepotism.html#:~:text=In%20the%20business%20world%2C%20nepotism,is%20a%20form%20of%20nepotism.

I'd rather just hiring the best people for the job... And Bobrov wasn't it.

You are conflating opinion for fact.

He will if he cannot crack the top-six and-or get a minimum of 50-60 points per season.

He, Barron and Slaf will have to Duke it out for that...

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[BehindTheTimes]

Yes. We had some terrific steal those years. We were so incredibly lucky to snag Collberg at 33!

You know what is considered a steal post draft?

Picking a player ranked 30-40th by public list at 150 is considered a steal.

In other words, a player EVERYONE KNOWS is a 1st RD talent but for some dubious reason NHL teams skips him and he is available in the 6th RD. Thats a steal

It doesnt make any f***ing sense, i agree.

really, The jury is still out and we don't know anything yet about the futures except they havent drafted our beloved child wright and michkov so their draft is at best a C- because they hate talent and overestimate size.


If Reinbacher becomes a top pair RD, if Newhook becomes a top 6 contributor, lets say he average 50-60 over the next 4 years. And if just one of the goalie hit...

Thats an A right?

Sure, the likelihood isn’t great though. It’s about probability. I really like Reinbacher, I wanted a forward for the simple fact that as far as roster building goes our team has tremendous depth in d and we are sorely lacking elite forward talent, unfortunately there were no surprises and the top 4 went off the board as predicted.

I understand passing on Michkov even though I wouldn’t have, I understand why they did. It’s frustrating being a fan of a team who has been so risk adverse for 30 years and almost completely without elite talent during that time.

The draft was underwhelming considering all the picks we had, but I’ve had time to think about it and it’s not as bad as I felt on draft night.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I'm not sure Newhook was even worth the second round pick, nevermind the first.

The guy needs to prove he isn't a bust because all indications suggest he is.

At 22 you would hope he'd be firmly established in the top 6, and because he hasn't done that you are trading for him with the very real possibility that he's a 3rd line player.

Here's another way of looking at it. Do you think the Blackhawks or Rangers would trade Moore or Perreault straight up for Newhook? I sure don't.

I realize the 31 pick isn't as high as 19, but we also added the 37 pick and that's pretty tough to swallow given he's entering his D+5 and still hasn't shown he can play on the top two lines yet.

This trade reminds me a lot of the Dvorak trade, where we just overpaid based on need.

Exactly how I feel.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

You are conflating opinion for fact.



He, Barron and Slaf will have to Duke it out for that...

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Do I have to write "in my opinion" at the beginning of every post I make or is it not implied that everyone posting on here is usually stating their opinion?

Nitpicking as a debating tactic is pretty weaksauce, dude.