What are the Ducks doing?

FiveTacos

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Yet another prime exhibit in the "you should never go full teardown rebuild" case

What was the option? Re-sign Rakell, Lindholm, and Manson? Go buy some UFAs? Trade the young players like Terry and Zegras for immediate help?

Ultimately the problem was they had a dry stretch of drafting during the good years, and it left a talent gap between the veterans and the kids. Those are the 25-30 year olds that should be the core guys now, but of that group only Terry panned out. So they had to choose ... go all in with a decent veteran group that lacked any elite talent, or tear it down.
 

Mr Rogers

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Murray was in 're-tool' mode all the way up to his dismissal in late 2021. There's a reason why he never traded guys like Lindholm, Manson and Rakell - it's because in his head, he wasn't performing a rebuild as others have echoed. Bob actually had success doing a re-tool of sorts in the early to mid 2010s so he probably thought he could do it again, only he didn't have a prime Getz and Perry to work with.

The Sabres haven't made the playoffs for a decade and a half, the Ducks are a long way from becoming like that. Even if you consider drafting Eichel the beginning for Buffalo, it's still been 9 years - nothing like Anaheim's situation.
 

salsa man

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was with you up until this sentence. The Ducks have been probably the worst team at drafting in the last decade plus.

I mean seriously Carlsson over Fantilli?

Sennecke over Demidov and all those Defensemen?

these are the kinds of draft choices that keep teams out of the playoffs for longer than they should.

Absolutely ridiculous post that shows nothing but ignorance. Carlsson has looked better than Fantilli. The Ducks have drafted quite well for years now.
 

FiveTacos

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Doubt it, hes looked fine.... just snake bit/cold... .needs to get that first goal monkey off his back

Pretty sweet little assist last night.

He's getting in position for plenty of shots. He's actually leading the league (!!) in shot attempts/60, and he's had a few really close ones, but I think he's rushing to pull the trigger just a little.
 

Stephen

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Feels like the Florida Panthers and Anaheim Ducks had a Freaky Friday and swapped franchise identities. Now it's Florida that's the killer franchise and Anaheim turned into a sunny place where high picks go to take it easy.
 

SimpleJack

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Feels like the Florida Panthers and Anaheim Ducks had a Freaky Friday and swapped franchise identities. Now it's Florida that's the killer franchise and Anaheim turned into a sunny place where high picks go to take it easy.

I prefer "Captain Ginyu" rather than "Freaky Friday"....but all the same. Point taken.
 

FiveTacos

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Feels like the Florida Panthers and Anaheim Ducks had a Freaky Friday and swapped franchise identities. Now it's Florida that's the killer franchise and Anaheim turned into a sunny place where high picks go to take it easy.

Nah, the Ducks just paid the price for not drafting any replacements for their aging guys for a long stretch. Granted they were mostly not picking very high because they were mostly contending, at some point that catches up to you, but from '13-17 the only player of note drafted who is still on the roster is Terry. Theodore was lost to expansion, Montour didn't pan out until he was long gone, Steele the same.

Those are guys who, if you got a bunch of good picks banked, would now be 25-30 years old, right in their prime. They don't have that. So their best talent is super young.

Not saying it's quite the same, but consider a team with the following:
Sakic, 22
Sundin, 20
Nolan, 19
Foote, 20
Leschyshyn, 22
Rucinsky, 20
That team finished 20-48-12, despite BOTH Sakic and Sundin being very productive offensive players. And that was an improvement from previous seasons.

I know this started as a prospect board, but the reality is that teams where the most talented guys are under 23 is likely to suck.

Even young players who are blossom offensively are rarely aces defensively until they have years of experience, at least compared to veterans ... at best they're usually "adequate". For proof, ask yourself how often you see a coach call on his talented 21 year old to kill a critical penalty in the playoffs, instead of a veteran. It happens, but those players are the exceptions. Also ask yourself how often a GM tries to trade veterans to another contender for young NHL ready prospects at the deadline.
 
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Steppin Razor

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The problem is Greg Cronin makes Dallas Eakins look like Scotty Bowman. In 25+ years of watching Ducks hockey I've never watched a team play such fundamentally poor hockey for such a long period of time.
 

LuGBuG

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was with you up until this sentence. The Ducks have been probably the worst team at drafting in the last decade plus.

I mean seriously Carlsson over Fantilli?

Sennecke over Demidov and all those Defensemen?

these are the kinds of draft choices that keep teams out of the playoffs for longer than they should.
Oh Demidov confirmed better already? Wow that was fast.
 

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