What are the Ducks doing?

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It's easy to point to the coach, and for all I know he could be a major problem. But I liked him when he was an assistant with Toronto. I don't think he is so obviously terrible that it's killing the whole team's talent.

I think a huge issue is just a lack of vet presence and leadership. At forward they have who? Killorn and Ryan Strome?

On defence, I love Fowler. But he's not a superstar. And I don't think Gudas is captain material. I know Ducks fans like him in that role, and that's great. But I don't see it. Doesn't seem like his tenure is off to a great start. And there's not much depth after that.

The Ducks need more experience on their roster so that everything isn't just left to the young guys. They're expecting too much from Zegras/ McTavish.
 
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Why are people in this thread acting like the Ducks allow alot of goals? If anything they have a good defensive system. Step 1 to having a good team. To me ANA is more advanced than MTL and other rebuilding teams in that aspect. Letting your young guys play run n gun and finish the year -28 breeds bad habits. If you can't produce in a defensive system, maybe you are just not a key NHL player (erm erm Zegras)
Lol the Ducks allow the most shots on goal by a whole two more shots per game to the next worst team and my mans is saying they have a good defensive system :biglaugh:

My brother in christ I am begging you to watch just one Ducks game and come back and say that again.
 

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It's easy to point to the coach, and for all I know he could be a major problem. But I liked him when he was an assistant with Toronto. I don't think he is so obviously terrible that it's killing the whole team's talent.

I think a huge issue is just a lack of vet presence and leadership. At forward they have who? Killorn and Ryan Strome?

On defence, I love Fowler. But he's not a superstar. And I don't think Gudas is captain material. I know Ducks fans like him in that role, and that's great. But I don't see it. Doesn't seem like his tenure is off to a great start. And there's not much depth after that.

The Ducks need more experience on their roster so that everything isn't just left to the young guys. They're expecting too much from Zegras/ McTavish.
Vets they have
Killorn strome fabbri Vatrano mcginn
Gudas dumo Fowler

A lot of it seems system issues, and the vets we do have are not doing much

Vatrano and killorn have been awful

Fabbri at least bringing energy, strome is alright.
 

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Lol the Ducks allow the most shots on goal by a whole two more shots per game to the next worst team and my mans is saying they have a good defensive system :biglaugh:

My brother in christ I am begging you to watch just one Ducks game and come back and say that again.
The Ducks are a club that appears to be fun to play against.
 
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There is always risk in making a poor player the Captain.. How many teams have that? But it is not just that, it is a bit of everything.

Last night I listened to the game on the way home.. Zegras gets the big chance, his bread and butter. A penalty shot.. No goal.

Powerplay seemed a bit like the Leafs. No threat at the top so teams sag low , take seams and get in lanes to take away dangerous shots and low plays. Can't get into the bumper because the PK is so tight.

Dostal is their saving grace and if he has a hint of an off night, which he did (for him), it is curtains.
 

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It's easy to point to the coach, and for all I know he could be a major problem. But I liked him when he was an assistant with Toronto. I don't think he is so obviously terrible that it's killing the whole team's talent.

I think a huge issue is just a lack of vet presence and leadership. At forward they have who? Killorn and Ryan Strome?

On defence, I love Fowler. But he's not a superstar. And I don't think Gudas is captain material. I know Ducks fans like him in that role, and that's great. But I don't see it. Doesn't seem like his tenure is off to a great start. And there's not much depth after that.

The Ducks need more experience on their roster so that everything isn't just left to the young guys. They're expecting too much from Zegras/ McTavish.
Sure better veterans would help. But better veterans wouldn't change the fact that Cronin's systems are ineffective in today's NHL and even to the extent that they are suboptimal in this league he also doesn't drill them properly as the team routinely struggles to connect on passes and just throw it away under the most basic defensive pressure with two veteran forwards recently admitting that they rarely know where their linemates are going to be which is not helped by Cronin constantly throwing the lines in a blender because he routinely says he doesn't know how to fix the team's issues.

And the lack of cohesion, synergy, and panic under basic pressure being a symptom of poor systems and poor drilling of systems is backed up by Ilya Lybushkin's comments to the media that Cronin spent more time making the team watch motivational videos than drilling fundamentals and systems. On top of Terry and Killorn's comments about never knowing where their linemates are.

Better vets aren't really going to help the fact that Anaheim's promising youth have seen their development stagnate under Cronin. Rather than seeing gradual improvements every week, the Greg Cronin approach to being a development coach seems to be "repetition of failure is the best and only teacher these kids need" because every game the kids, even McTavish keep making the same f***ing mistakes without any discernible improvements in their game. And it wouldn't surprise me if Cronin's approach was really just "let the kids get experience and learn to play the right way by making mistakes" because he admitted that in the last 20 games of last season he stopped coaching to observe what the players would do and how they would improve if left to figure it out for themselves. A development coach. A DEVELOPMENT. COACH. thought it was a good idea to not develop his young players for 20 GAMES and just let them "figure it out" that should have been a firable offense on its own. That's 1/4 a season and a huge chunk of a number of these kids' careers that a development coach intentionally didn't do his f***ing job.

Of course Cronin isn't the only problem. But the Ducks have finally put together a group of young players that could form the core of a team that eventually escapes a prolonged rebuild of they are developed properly. They seemingly aren't being developed on an individual basis and are surrounded by team wide ineptitude as their basis for learning how to be better players. Cronin is a f***ing disaster who admits publicly that he doesn't know what he's doing. He needs to go. Teams like Columbus, Chicago, San Jose are still bad, but they've made measurable improvements from last year. All you have to do is watch them, watch the Ducks this year and try to find a game from the last 20 games last year, and you'll see it. At best the team has completely stagnated but I would argue they have gotten worse.
 
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Reminds me of the Decade of Darkness in Edmonton.

1. Completely tear it down
2. Hire inexperienced GM
3. Inexperienced GM hires inexperienced coach
4. Replace all important roles with <23 year olds
5. Don't surround young talent with old talent
6. Fill defense depth with fringe NHLers
7. Expect success
This is exactly what happened in Anaheim.
 
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As an outsider that has watched them a couple times this year there looks to be a real disconnect with putting people in places to succeed vs setting players up to fail

Some of the veteran additions are not good NHLers and there should have been a more concerted effort to add players that can insulate the young players until they are ready. This would serve 2 fold as high dollar short term contracts could be exchanged for draft picks as you move off them at deadlines and the vetrans that you did sign with more term would be willing to play harder if they weren't saddled with ineptitude

Anyone 22 or younger should be either having a positive impact and success in some capacity or in the AHL having that success. When i see Gauthier without a single goal, Mintyukov having some growing pains at 20 and Zegras centering a 3rd line and without PP1 opportunity it begs the question what the hell are you doing? Either move them or put them in a posiition to have success? And i understand that maybe the thought is they will eventually but the NHL is not a development league and acting that way will do much more harm than good.

Sounds also like Cronin has lost the room and it's sad to see how much life has been sucked out of some of the young guys by demoting to 4th lines and secondary offensive roles.
 

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The Ducks are so funny. We often like to comment on the Sharks board how all Cutter Gauthier does is shoot mindlessly. Teammate wide open? Shoot. 90 feet from the goalie? Shoot.
 
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As an outsider that has watched them a couple times this year there looks to be a real disconnect with putting people in places to succeed vs setting players up to fail

Some of the veteran additions are not good NHLers and there should have been a more concerted effort to add players that can insulate the young players until they are ready. This would serve 2 fold as high dollar short term contracts could be exchanged for draft picks as you move off them at deadlines and the vetrans that you did sign with more term would be willing to play harder if they weren't saddled with ineptitude

Anyone 22 or younger should be either having a positive impact and success in some capacity or in the AHL having that success. When i see Gauthier without a single goal, Mintyukov having some growing pains at 20 and Zegras centering a 3rd line and without PP1 opportunity it begs the question what the hell are you doing? Either move them or put them in a posiition to have success? And i understand that maybe the thought is they will eventually but the NHL is not a development league and acting that way will do much more harm than good.

Sounds also like Cronin has lost the room and it's sad to see how much life has been sucked out of some of the young guys by demoting to 4th lines and secondary offensive roles.
Yeah, a big part of what mystified me early on was they were an offensively-starved team, and they were committed to diluting their talent across two mediocre PP units instead of putting together they best players so they could at least have a PP to generate some confidence. But no, Killorn and Strome would be out there to start every PP.

Seems like recently they have Vatrano, McTavish and Carlsson all on PP1 which is a good thing.

Since posting this thread I saw an interview clip with Cronin basically saying he doesn't know how to address the lack of offence. That's a yikes.

Any smoke from the team about changing the coach? Or is the feeling that they would rather take the high pick and make a change in the off-season?
 
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This should be an organization that has an elite AHL team.
They should be developing Gauthier and Mintyukov in San Diego and be 7 deep at every position to scale players properly. Obviously the top2 spots will have holes

McTavish and Zegras should be playing more prominent roles not PP2 and 4C after showing what they have in the past.

If not cash out and move on....plenty of teams would be willing to entertain fresh starts and send back a similar situation. If you cant trust your pro scouting you need to fire your GM and scouting staff heads. If the coach is trying to punish players for extended periods he needs to go or the player does.

It's not about winning or making playoffs right now it's about building an identity and culture that will foster winning.

As someone else mentioned at this stage it looks set up like the Oilers game plan when the entitled party kids ran the Oilers all the PP and offensive soft deployment and not a single good veteran in the NHL wanted to be there. The good news is the Ducks are not there yet but you cant let the situation fester
 

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Rebuilds often end up a one step forward, two steps back situation. Ducks have as much young talent as anyone but they don’t have the systems or coaching to expedite things.

Adding a true top-pair TWD should be at the top of their list. They have a ton of puck-movers but no real defenders besides Gudas, who is ideally a #4/5. I’d move Zellweger + for a real shutdown guy and hire a new coach
 

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I honestly think Boudreau would be a great transitional coach for them. No more than 2 years, give the kids leeway to use their natural offensive talents and let them learn how to score. There’ll probably be no sort of defensive structure but at this point if your young offensive talent aren’t able to learn how to score in the NHL, then how do you expect them to produce?

Guys like McTavish, Carlsson, Gauthier are top 5 picks. Mintyukov is a top 10 pick. They need to learn to how produce. They need to show it as well.
 

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They're like Buffalo but Buffalo was actually able to develop Eichel, Reinhart, Mittelstadt, O'Reilly into something before handing them off to teams to win cups with. Just feels like complete amateurs are running that org now even though the drafting has been on point.
 

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