Why do I have to be "really good" at distancing myself to not judge people for being on their phones? Again, that's pretty absurd.
Movies: What are the Biggest Oscar Snubs Ever?
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sully1410
#EggosForEleven
It may not be on any kind of grand scheme, but you know if it's existence. So it has affected you.
At a very tertiary level maybe. Like how knowing the thing on the tip of your shoe lace is called an Aglet has affected me. And in that sense everything affects everyone. It's too bad we don't have Oscar nominated movies about aglets, because "you know of it's existence".
RandV
It's a wolf v2.0
The Hurt Locker over Avatar.
...But seriously though, when I did unintentionally end up seeing Hurt Locker I was so underwhelmed that they may as well have given it to Avatar.
...But seriously though, when I did unintentionally end up seeing Hurt Locker I was so underwhelmed that they may as well have given it to Avatar.
sully1410
#EggosForEleven
Your view on it doesn't change that it was a well made movie.
Facebook is a much much much bigger deal than knowing what an aglet is.
End on a Hinote
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Both films were severely overrated, IMO.
I always felt that 2009 was an rather underwhelming year for movies, especially since I felt 2008 was by far the best year of the decade for them. If not the best since the mid-90's.
My thoughts exactly - what a bizarre response. You'd have to be a Jedi to appreciate Star Wars too, I guess?
If you live in the same world we do, facebook affects you. Heroin affects you too.
If you've travelled across borders, or paid taxes, you've been affected by heroin.
If you've been excluded from social interaction of your friends/family, because they use facebook as a vehicle for passive or active communication, you have been affected. If your livelihood relies on social interaction in any way (marketing, support, etc), you've been affected. If you've had friends/family, dated, etc, you've been affected.
Get real.
Ralph Spoilsport
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If you've lurked an internet forum with pop-up ads that reflect your recent browsing history and demographic profile you've been affected by Facebook. They wrote the book on online marketing.
But The Social Network isn't "the Facebook movie" any more than Citizen Kane is "the Rosebud movie". The Social Network portrayed Zuckerberg as a modern day Charles Foster Kane. It may not be as radical stylistically but it at least nailed its portrait of ego-driven ambition and success gained at the expense of one's humanity perhaps more poignantly than any movie since Kane.
But back on topic…
1985…The Color Purple bags eleven nominations, but Steven Spielberg is conspicuously absent from the nominees list. Then the movie gets shut out in every category.
1977…Saturday Night Fever should dominate the Best Song category, instead the Bee Gees are disqualified on some technicality which I've never understood. "You Light up My Life" beats out "Nobody Does It Better" and three other nominees we'll probably never hear again.
But The Social Network isn't "the Facebook movie" any more than Citizen Kane is "the Rosebud movie". The Social Network portrayed Zuckerberg as a modern day Charles Foster Kane. It may not be as radical stylistically but it at least nailed its portrait of ego-driven ambition and success gained at the expense of one's humanity perhaps more poignantly than any movie since Kane.
But back on topic…
1985…The Color Purple bags eleven nominations, but Steven Spielberg is conspicuously absent from the nominees list. Then the movie gets shut out in every category.
1977…Saturday Night Fever should dominate the Best Song category, instead the Bee Gees are disqualified on some technicality which I've never understood. "You Light up My Life" beats out "Nobody Does It Better" and three other nominees we'll probably never hear again.
Shareefruck
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THAT'S the analogy I was looking for. The Social Network isn't about (or hinges on your interest of) Facebook anymore than Citizen Kane is about (or hinges on your interest of) the newspaper industry. That's perfect.
It's incredibly silly to only look at what something is superficially about at face value and to dismiss the actual crux of the film as "some other things." The latter is intentionally a significantly more important and defining aspect of the movie than the former.
I think it would be perfectly valid to say that you're not interested in the themes and ideas that the movie's concerned with (I'm not, to be honest), but this other reasoning's pretty messed up. It's like saying you're not interested in Citizen Kane because you don't care about the newspaper industry or saying There Will Be Blood isn't relevant to your concerns because you don't care about what it's like being an oil-man. The fact that one is fictional and the other is associated to a real person/brand doesn't make a helluva big difference.
That's literally what it is. It's not silly at all. It's about the creation of Facebook and it's creator.
"But they talked about some other things too!"
It's incredibly silly to only look at what something is superficially about at face value and to dismiss the actual crux of the film as "some other things." The latter is intentionally a significantly more important and defining aspect of the movie than the former.
I think it would be perfectly valid to say that you're not interested in the themes and ideas that the movie's concerned with (I'm not, to be honest), but this other reasoning's pretty messed up. It's like saying you're not interested in Citizen Kane because you don't care about the newspaper industry or saying There Will Be Blood isn't relevant to your concerns because you don't care about what it's like being an oil-man. The fact that one is fictional and the other is associated to a real person/brand doesn't make a helluva big difference.
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Voight
#winning
Facebook has had a huge impact on the world as as Zuckerberg. It may not in your life but its impacted literally billions of people and done some great things like reconnect old friends, let people keep in contact with relatives from another country (better than email; can't Skype 24/7) and helped raise awareness for many causes. It also gave millenials and the like the inspiration to do great things, they saw how Zuck put an idea into action without any formal education and now 12 years later we have Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat etc.
There are mobsters and organized crime in Hamilton so, yes. You really don't have to think about it too hard.
It's not strange at all. I don't care about The Blind Side because it's irrelevant to me. I'm sure there are many things you don't care about.
So have cell phones, that doesn't mean I want to sit through a 2 hr advertisment on Nokia.
Causes I have taken up because of Facebook: 0
I'd say it's another tool to keep the rich and popular at the top and keep the Serfs down. Especially if you disagree with someone or something.
Example: I'm banned from a thread for calling out the NHL on one of its owners. In a thread about that owner.
I have never used SnapChat or Instagram and I have no desire to. "Great Things" is really a matter of perspective: Neither SnapChat nor Instagram have tangibly impacted my life. They're as relevant to my day-to-day life as I am to yours.
When I need a lesson on targeted marketing I'll call you.
Hate Citizen Kane. CFK gets treated like a goof by everyone- his real parents, his adoptive parent, his wife, etc. and then they paint him as the villain. The guy bends over backwards for people and you call it "ego-driven ambition". He just wants to be loved.
RandV
It's a wolf v2.0
I thinky ou're confusing being influenced by something with being affected by something.
So I should pay attention to the history of Facebook because the movie's not ACTUALLY about that? It's just about how things I don't care about don't really impact me?
It's much worse to read into things more than they're worth. Give me an Internet connection and wikipedia I could argue for any movie being great. Plan 9 From Outer Space should be seen by everyone.
Not messed up at all, it's messed up to think everyone has to see the same movies as you. I don't have to be interested in every topic either, especially one as tertiary to my life as Social Media.
Have you seen EVERY movie? Why not?
You're right, because I don't care either way. I care about them as much as I care about those Slow Loris or Ice Bucket Challenge videos (which is not at all).
Ainec
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I don't think there's another year better than 2007 (21st century)
Ratatouille
No Country for Old Men
There Will Be Blood
Zodiac
Superbad
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
The Diving Bell and the Butterfly
+ a whole bunch of HMs
Ratatouille
No Country for Old Men
There Will Be Blood
Zodiac
Superbad
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
The Diving Bell and the Butterfly
+ a whole bunch of HMs
You realize Influence and Affect are synonyms for one another, yes?
The difference is splitting hairs. If you do something and I have little to no response to it then my apathy and indifference should be readily apparent.
Shareefruck
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I'm not encouraging you to see or care about or be interested in the movie. I don't even care all that much about it. I don't think it's a "great" movie, and if I wanted to encourage people to see something, I wouldn't waste it on that. I'm just pointing out that the thing you're expressing indifference to isn't even the thing that the movie's primarily concerned with.
I don't particularly care about Citizen Kane, and nothing anyone explains to me about it is likely to change that, nor should it, but if I told people that the reason I don't care about Citizen Kane is because the newspaper industry doesn't interest me, that would be pretty ludicrous reasoning that people should scoff at.
If you're suggesting that the primary subject/idea behind every movie is the physical thing that's on the surface, and that anything that tries to be otherwise is pretentious wan-kery, that's pretty baffling. But even so, if your reason for not having interest in The Social Network was instead that you don't care for the try-hard pretentious wan-kery of the themes that it's trying to convey, at least that would be well directed at a real target and make sense.
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I guess it's a good thing the movie's called "Citizen Kane" instead of "The Printing Press" unlike "The Facebook Movie".
When I want an in depth look at the social constructs of society through a Social Medium I'll watch it. I have better ways of waisting my time and being entertained at the moment- such as watching Aliens right now.
I think it's pretty pretentious to assume things have to have a higher meaning, myself. You're talking to writer, give me an hour and I can give you a new meaning to almost anything. Go over-analyze in Poli-Sci class.
Shareefruck
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... And that would be a great and absolutely perfectly reasonable reason to give for why you don't care for the movie. The one you gave earlier, however, was misdirected at something that the movie itself isn't primarily interested in in the first place. Either way, don't watch it, but that's the point I'm communicating.
It's possible to read into things too much, but in this case, there's no assumption necessary-- The movie spells it right out for you and plays with the same obvious ideas from beginning to end.
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RandV
It's a wolf v2.0
Whoops, I meant effect, not affect! Damn subtle differences
Point is though, while you may not care what happens on Facebook, one facet you can look at is it's shaped the way marketing and advertising is done on the internet. Google, for example, went through a significant paradigm shift some 5+ years ago specifically because of Facebook. And it's much harder to avoid Google than it is Facebook.
And even if you got to the lengths required to evade Facebook or Google's data collection and advertising hooks, it has to be very intentional so your behaviour through a few degrees of separation is still being effected by Facebook.
RandV
It's a wolf v2.0
Speaking of The Social Network though, I really don't have the capacity, knowledge, and/or will to pick up on all the subtle things that others here are saying makes it a worthy contender.
To me it's literally just "The Facebook Movie".
To me it's literally just "The Facebook Movie".
