Series Discussion Western Conference Finals - Dallas vs. Edmonton | Oilers lead 3-2

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Dynamite Time

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Props to the Stars coaching staff for not rushing Hintz back (obviously needed to heal) cause he was great last night while giving Robertson a slap; boys are good together.

Seguin has also been really good this postseason and him taking Pavelski’ spot next to Robo/Hintz clicked last night.

Go Stars!
 

Elysian

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Props to the Stars coaching staff for not rushing Hintz back (obviously needed to heal) cause he was great last night while giving Robertson a slap; boys are good together.

Seguin has also been really good this postseason and him taking Pavelski’ spot next to Robo/Hintz clicked last night.

Go Stars!
The Seguinassance really started in the plaioffs
 
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Troy McClure

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If you click the link to the TSN article, what he's getting at is the Oilers best players are walloping the Stars best players. What's not said in the TSN article is this series is tied because the Stars depth isn't coming through to push past the top-end talent disparity.

Anyone would expect McDavid and Draisaitl to be better than and out-produce any Stars forwards, but the Stars entering the playoffs with eight 20-goal scorers made them terrifying because they'd be getting offense from the whole lineup. But they're not. Duchene, Pavelski, Marchment, and Harley are giving them absolutely nothing. Those four have combined for 62 GP, 5 goals, and 17 points (0.27 PPG) in the playoffs.* Against the Oilers, it drops to a combined 16 GP, 1 goal, and 2 points (0.14 PPG).

Other guys are also underperforming, but these are the worst offenders. Since the Stars don't have those dominating and unstoppable superstar talents up front, they depend on the waves of offense, and they essentially have one of their three offensive lines being completely shut out and one of their two offensive d-men also unable to contribute.

If the Stars fail to advance, it will be because the depth hasn't shown up.




* For comparison's sake, the four most productive Oilers each have 17+ points in the playoffs so far. McDavid, Draisaitl, Bouchard, and Hyman are each scoring more than the combined efforts of four guys the Stars expect to get offense from.
 

roryjones

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That’s the problem and some guys need to be called out. The key to Dallas winning this year was supposed to be the depth. The depth has not shown up. DeBoer needs to call out pavelski and duchene and even Harley. If the depth does not start showing up Dallas will not move on.

Also, it’s not like these guys are going against their top guys and getting shut down. The 3rd and 4th lines of Dallas should be able to dominate the garbage bottom 6 of Edmonton.
 

Azzuri

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can make a real argument that Mavs and Del would be more speed and scoring to this lineup than Duche and Pavs. Gambling on vets stepping up is a gamble. And if we go out this round you can definitely 100% say we needed more speed and less old guys without a cup.
 

Kcb12345

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can make a real argument that Mavs and Del would be more speed and scoring to this lineup than Duche and Pavs. Gambling on vets stepping up is a gamble. And if we go out this round you can definitely 100% say we needed more speed and less old guys without a cup.

There's a 0% chance either of those guys would be better than Duchene. Not shot I'm taking one of our only fast players out of the lineup
 

roryjones

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If Duchene and Pavelski want their Cup, they're gonna have to earn it by doing their part, not just ride the coattails of others.
It’s crazy how pavelski was 2nd on the team in scoring in the regular season and is now 12th in the playoffs. He has the same amount of points as Suter. Duchene was 5th in the regular season and is now 9th in the playoffs.

I get not scoring goals sometimes but no reason pavelski and duchene are not racking up assists.

Hintz also needs to pick it up as well. Too many guys have dropped off in the playoffs. Although he is the only one at this point I can see picking up the pace.
 

Roo Returns

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Rangers fan here in peace. Sending good vibes and hoping you guys have a monster game 6.

I've always appreciated how Nill and his stache build a team.

BTW sorry Nils is kind of a diva playing his way back to SEL.
 
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roccerfeller

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Mavs are moving on to the finals. Hope stars can join them. Even without Tanev this team still was the 2nd best team in the NHL. They can beat Edmonton. They have the talent and the depth needs to show up.

Jets fan in peace … you guys took down the Knights and the Avs…

Remember when you were down in the Vegas series and everyone was saying Stars are done?

They look hungrier last 2 games yes but Canucks were also up 3-2 and lost their series.

Here’s hoping the stars team that took it to the defending cup champs can come back. Oilers have been playing very well - but haven’t looked unbeatable the way many of their fans on social media will have you believe
 

LT

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Rangers fan here in peace. Sending good vibes and hoping you guys have a monster game 6.

I've always appreciated how Nill and his stache build a team.

BTW sorry Nils is kind of a diva playing his way back to SEL.

Most of us blame DeBoer for Nils, not Nils himself.

He's just not consistent enough defensively
 
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Troy McClure

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Most of us blame DeBoer for Nils, not Nils himself.

He's just not consistent enough defensively
I don’t think he’s a diva. Thats not fair. There’s not been any hint of a problem with his attitude. In fact, the Stars made a big deal about him putting on ten pounds of muscle last summer and praised his work ethic to do so. Unfortunately, he’s just not very good and the added muscle didn’t show up on the ice.

The only shame here is Nill wasted a first round pick on a guy who has lost his NHL job three seasons in a row and who was passed on the depth chart by a younger Harley last season and has now fallen below a guy drafted four years after him in Bichsel. Nill has a solid trade record, but this was an ugly whiff.

He’s about to turn 24 which isn’t old or anything, but the problem is he’s an RFA. He's also been useless come playoff time, so do you waste a roster spot on a guy again all hoping he magically gets better over the summer?
 
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Kcb12345

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This Rangers-Panthers series has mirrored the Stars-Oilers series so far. Rangers went up 2-1 in the series, now they're gonna get eliminated after losing 3 straight and they never looked very good in any of those 3 losses.

Every Panthers win in this series has been followed by an Oilers win.

Hope we can change that, but man the way the Panthers are controlling play and dominating at times really reminds me of our series. Rangers look like us and their top talent isn't producing either.
 

roryjones

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Yeah I don’t have much hope they will win. They look done. That reporter was correct to call them lifeless cause they were for most of that game and game 4. Not sure they can all of the sudden turn it on.
 

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