Post-Game Talk: We're only gonna need a moderately sized boat

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Looking at the Sharks they need help in every direction. Yeah they have some fine young forwards but their goal and defense situations are a mess. They're not likely to get much help in free agency either. Quality is thin and guys that might help them are likely going to look elsewhere first because no one wants to play for a team that's going to lose, lose, lose. They have to rely pretty much on player development which brings us back to goal and defense. There's all that much to work with. The one top flight defender they have coming is Sam Dickinson but he's a teenager still. You also need to be able to properly slot guys and this will be an ongoing problem with them for at least the next 2/3 years.
isnt Askarov doing well in the AHL?
 
San Jose has Askarov. He is unproven yet at the NHL level, but he has been very good in the AHL and among prospects, he's one of the best. He might struggle a bit the next couple years, especially if the defense is hanging him out to dry, but he should be a quality backstop for a long time.

Defensively, you're right. They don't seem to have anyone of significance outside of Dickinson. I don't know much about the rest of their defensive prospects. There are a couple who were drafted in the 2nd round, but none are names I recognize.

The UFA market is weak, but they have the assets and the cap space to make trades. They can take on vets that other teams are looking to dump. They won't be long-term solutions, but they can potentially improve the team a bit until they can find better options.

If they end up drafting Schaefer, he could help them out considerably. They also have Dallas' 1st this year, Edmonton's 1st next year, and 4 2nd rounds picks. They might be able to snag another good dman or two with those picks. Of course, it will take time for those players to develop, but their forward group is still very young and developing as well.

Three years from now, they could be a very strong team with the right moves.
So there is a CHANCE they will be good three years from now while being mired in the rebuild from around the Rangers’ letter time? Ouch. If this is a proper rebuild (along with Buffalo, Detroit, Anaheim, Chicago, Phil, Utah etc) I don’t think I want it. (And I know your post wasn’t intended to be advocating for the Rangers to do it this way)
 
That's fine but calling someone a franchise player off a rookie season that very good but not elite is a bit much. And you could be a franchise forward at 30 it just won't last as long.
You don’t need to look at stats, which are favorable to him in the first place, to understand that celebrini is a special player and a franchise level talent.
 
So the Sharks are in a similar boat to us they were good in the early 2000s, had a down year or two, traded for Joe Thornton and we're good for over a decade but didn't win a cup. As their fans if they prefer that or being the door mat of the NHL for years hoping Celebrini pulls them out of it.
 
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So the Sharks are in a similar boat to us they were good in the early 2000s, had a down year or two, traded for Joe Thornton and we're good for over a decade but didn't win a cup. As their fans if they prefer that or being the door mat of the NHL for years hoping Celebrini pulls them out of it.
I'm not understanding your position here. What choice did they really have? They were relevant for over a decade & made a finals appearance with a bunch of other deep runs. They kept running it back until it was clear as day they were never winning with that group. So they sold off everything except Logan Couture & set themselves up for a nice bounce back in 2-3 years, while getting lucky by acquiring the most difficult piece of the puzzle early in their rebuild. They're in a pretty enviable position if you ask me. They were never Buffalo. They actually look like they have a plan.
 
Habs and Isles have tough ones today. Hope they both burn one of their 2 games in hand on us today.
 
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So there is a CHANCE they will be good three years from now while being mired in the rebuild from around the Rangers’ letter time? Ouch. If this is a proper rebuild (along with Buffalo, Detroit, Anaheim, Chicago, Phil, Utah etc) I don’t think I want it. (And I know your post wasn’t intended to be advocating for the Rangers to do it this way)
Grier was named GM on July 5th of 2022, only 2 days prior to the draft, so he really hasn't had much time to put his stamp on the team.

Doug Wilson left him with a mess. Instead of trading Hertl, he signed him and then was fired 3 weeks later, and they still have Vlasic for another year.

San Jose has some decent vets to insulate the kids, a strong prospect pool that will only get stronger over the next 2 years, and a ton of cap space.

It remains to be seen if any of his picks outside the 1st round pan out, and he'll have to make smart decisions going forward, but I think he's doing about as well as can be expected. He might have been able to turn it around more quickly had he gone the Rangers' route of building the core around high-priced vets, but as we can see, that doesn't set the team up for long-term success.
 
I'm not understanding your position here. What choice did they really have? They were relevant for over a decade & made a finals appearance with a bunch of other deep runs. They kept running it back until it was clear as day they were never winning with that group. So they sold off everything except Logan Couture & set themselves up for a nice bounce back in 2-3 years, while getting lucky by acquiring the most difficult piece of the puzzle early in their rebuild. They're in a pretty enviable position if you ask me. They were never Buffalo. They actually look like they have a plan.
I'm pretty sure I read very similar things about Buffalo after they drafted Eichel.
 
I'm pretty sure I read very similar things about Buffalo after they drafted Eichel.
Everyone fearmongers about Buffalo when we talk about drafting top talent but we never talk about Colorado drafting MacKinnon, Florida drafting Barkov, or Tampa drafting Stamkos. Those don't fit the narrative. Hell, Edmonton made a Finals and looks poised to contend forever.

Toronto easily could have been a contender too, but they spent a bunch of cap space on John Tavares because he was a Leafs fan instead of getting a defenseman. They've made the playoffs 69 years a row.

The only team that drafted high-end talent and did absolutely nothing with it is Buffalo.
 
Everyone fearmongers about Buffalo when we talk about drafting top talent but we never talk about Colorado drafting MacKinnon, Florida drafting Barkov, or Tampa drafting Stamkos. Those don't fit the narrative. Hell, Edmonton made a Finals and looks poised to contend forever.

Toronto easily could have been a contender too, but they spent a bunch of cap space on John Tavares because he was a Leafs fan instead of getting a defenseman. They've made the playoffs 69 years a row.

The only team that drafted high-end talent and did absolutely nothing with it is Buffalo.

This fanbase is frustrating. All of a sudden, for SOME reason, rebuilds suck and are complete luck, but let's just give ONE example to fit the narrative that rebuilds don't go the way a team wants it to go. Especially the one team that burned bridges with their franchise player.
 
Everyone fearmongers about Buffalo when we talk about drafting top talent but we never talk about Colorado drafting MacKinnon, Florida drafting Barkov, or Tampa drafting Stamkos. Those don't fit the narrative. Hell, Edmonton made a Finals and looks poised to contend forever.

Toronto easily could have been a contender too, but they spent a bunch of cap space on John Tavares because he was a Leafs fan instead of getting a defenseman. They've made the playoffs 69 years a row.

The only team that drafted high-end talent and did absolutely nothing with it is Buffalo.
I don't know about the only example, but anyway, I just found it funny to say the Sharks surely are no Buffalo, when Buffalo was in pretty much the same position as San Jose is now. They came off a long period with regular playoff appearances and some deeper playoff runs, without ever winning it all. They finally tore it down and got lucky with a franchise center in Eichel.
 
I don't know about the only example, but anyway, I just found it funny to say the Sharks surely are no Buffalo, when Buffalo was in pretty much the same position as San Jose is now. They came off a long period with regular playoff appearances and some deeper playoff runs, without ever winning it all. They finally tore it down and got lucky with a franchise center in Eichel.
Buffalo struggles because nobody wants to play in a village that gets 2,000 feet of snow every winter. San Jose won't have that problem.
 
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So the Sharks are in a similar boat to us they were good in the early 2000s, had a down year or two, traded for Joe Thornton and we're good for over a decade but didn't win a cup. As their fans if they prefer that or being the door mat of the NHL for years hoping Celebrini pulls them out of it.
I think their fans probably prefer having the success they did and being poised to have more in the next 10 years with the cornerstone cemented

talking this crazy while the Rangers haven’t won shit in over 3 decades is wild lol
 
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This fanbase is frustrating. All of a sudden, for SOME reason, rebuilds suck and are complete luck, but let's just give ONE example to fit the narrative that rebuilds don't go the way a team wants it to go. Especially the one team that burned bridges with their franchise player.
Actually I have another example of a rebuild not working: the 2017-18 Rangers somehow ending up with one of the oldest rosters in the NHL within five years.
 
Actually I have another example of a rebuild not working: the 2017-18 Rangers somehow ending up with one of the oldest rosters in the NHL within five years.

LOL. I swear at the time we had like 8-12 thirty year olds on that team and no "teens" on the roster. I might be wrong tho.
 
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This fanbase is frustrating. All of a sudden, for SOME reason, rebuilds suck and are complete luck, but let's just give ONE example to fit the narrative that rebuilds don't go the way a team wants it to go. Especially the one team that burned bridges with their franchise player.

1 Cup in soon to be 85 years but yes, the NYR should clearly continue what they have been doing.
 
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