GDT: Well, at least it's not those other #%($!~& guys again. CAR/CHI 3/30/2021

[Joe McGrath]

I think they need to assess if TT is coming back this regular season or not. If it’s up in the air, put him on LTIR and bring in someone who is better than Jesper Fast. No disrespect to the job he’s done, but he’s not what they need in the top 6. Lindholm would be a perfect fit next to Svech and Aho if you wanted to go back to the old Tro line. Rod would probably play him with Staal though

 

[hockeynjune]

Our best 5v5 offense is the fast break, and if teams are going to take that away, we'll struggle a bit. But the last 2 periods last night were on a whole different level. Agreed that we should have done enough in the first to have essentially won the game, but some nights you're just going to run into a good goalie, and you have to keep the pressure up til he cracks. Hell, we did that to Vasilevsky just a couple nights ago with a much tougher team.

Something the guys said in the postgame last night really stood out to me in that Florida did such a good job of rallying around the Ekblad injury and taking Detroit seriously and not overlooking them to the next games. Sometimes, I do think we overlook weaker opponents.

Our future opponents are paying attn ,tape will be studied and adjustments made for these things . When I ventured into the Chi thread last night before the game someone made a comment about us folding when teams get in our face. Look for teams to key on this going forward.

 

[bleedgreen]

Our future opponents are paying attn ,tape will be studied and adjustments made for these things . When I ventured into the Chi thread last night before the game someone made a comment about us folding when teams get in our face. Look for teams to key on this going forward.

That’s been an issue for years. The first year under Rod we were better about it but that’s how the Bruins have beaten us twice now. It’s no secret we’re generally a soft team. This year we might have enough depth when healthy, as well as good years from some guys who can make a difference that way. Trocheck doesn’t shrink. Angry Staal and a scoring Nino are improvements.

We may overpay for Sam Bennett. I assume they’re asking the prices Tampa paid last year for guys like this.

 

[Stickpucker]

A wise man once told me when you stop getting better you stop being good.

Even if we were in 1st, I'd still be annoyed with a game like this, because we just stunk ass out there. Lots of room for improvement from that shit burger of a game.

In the spirit of this board....

How did you know he was a wise man and not just some dummy giving you bad advice and spluttering platitudes?? :makesyouthink:

 

[Svechhammer]

In the spirit of this board....

How did you know he was a wise man and not just some dummy giving you bad advice and spluttering platitudes?? :makesyouthink:

Head of a company I used to work for, whom I got to know and respected.

Died about 15 years ago

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I think they need to assess if TT is coming back this regular season or not. If it’s up in the air, put him on LTIR and bring in someone who is better than Jesper Fast. No disrespect to the job he’s done, but he’s not what they need in the top 6. Lindholm would be a perfect fit next to Svech and Aho if you wanted to go back to the old Tro line. Rod would probably play him with Staal though

If we go the LTIR route this year, we would have to wait until the trade deadline to save our cap space.

 

[Stickpucker]

Can anyone share the 5v5 gf/60 for Dmen? It felt like Bean was out there a lot with the 4th line and I get that is normal....but I'd be curious if he could help our 5v5 scoring in a positive manner getting some time behind Aho or Tro's lines.

I'm also curious how Hamboy's points break down at 5v5 or on the PP.

 

[hockeynjune]

In the spirit of this board....

How did you know he was a wise man and not just some dummy giving you bad advice and spluttering platitudes?? :makesyouthink:

Because , rest assured if you don't get better your opponents will. That's a fact not a platitude.

 

[emptyNedder]

The Pesce play looked atrocious. But there is a fine line between good and disaster.

I watched the play in split-second increments. When Pesce receives the puck, Staal is directly in front of him. Staal even tried to move his stick to create a lane to clear the puck, but in that 1/2 second or so Soderberg has closed on Pesce. Pesce rotates to shoot the puck off the open right boards to get it completely out of the zone. However, turning his shoulders allows Kane to lift his stick.

Had the puck deflected off Staal or been stopped by Soderberg it would have also looked atrocious. In fact, what looked like the good play to Pesce—the one player he can't see is Kane—ends up being the worst as it allows Kane to close on Pesce and also for DeBrincat to end up open in front of the net as Slavin skates up ice, likely to make a change.

So definitely not a good play by Pesce, but in reality more of the type of play that makes Kane one of the best.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Can anyone share the 5v5 gf/60 for Dmen? It felt like Bean was out there a lot with the 4th line and I get that is normal....but I'd be curious if he could help our 5v5 scoring in a positive manner getting some time behind Aho or Tro's lines.

I'm also curious how Hamboy's points break down at 5v5 or on the PP.

Bean, like our 4th liners, is/are protected with a 55+% O zone start. Bean gets about 12.5 minutes of 5v5 time a game.
GF 10
GA 7
xGF 11.6
xGA 10.8

edit: realized you asked for per 60 rates.
His rate is 2 Gf/60 which is 16th among all roster players and 6th of 7 for defenders (Fleury is last)
Pesce:2.47
Skjei:2.46
Dougie:2.41
Slavin:2.36
Gardiner:2.31
Bean:2
Fleury:1.42

 

[bleedgreen]

The Pesce play looked atrocious. But there is a fine line between good and disaster.

I watched the play in split-second increments. When Pesce receives the puck, Staal is directly in front of him. Staal even tried to move his stick to create a lane to clear the puck, but in that 1/2 second or so Soderberg has closed on Pesce. Pesce rotates to shoot the puck off the open right boards to get it completely out of the zone. However, turning his shoulders allows Kane to lift his stick.

Had the puck deflected off Staal or been stopped by Soderberg it would have also looked atrocious. In fact, what looked like the good play to Pesce—the one player he can't see is Kane—ends up being the worst as it allows Kane to close on Pesce and also for DeBrincat to end up open in front of the net as Slavin skates up ice, likely to make a change.

So definitely not a good play by Pesce, but in reality more of the type of play that makes Kane one of the best.

It was nothing. Hockey is a game of errors and Pesce made a lot of big plays last night defensively. I listened from the Hawks side last night, a lot of respect for Pesce there. They focused on Dougie, flat out said he’s not effective defensively and the Hawks need to attack him. They said it early before the penalties, and it played out last night. Wasn’t his best. Other than that we just didn’t click enough offensively. Trocheck was saddled with Svech augering himself into the ice and the first line just didn’t have it. Quietest game we’ve had from Necas in a while. Hawks knew where to focus and once they rode out our early storm they had us. We really needed to score early.

 

[GoldiFox]

Can anyone share the 5v5 gf/60 for Dmen? It felt like Bean was out there a lot with the 4th line and I get that is normal....but I'd be curious if he could help our 5v5 scoring in a positive manner getting some time behind Aho or Tro's lines.

I'm also curious how Hamboy's points break down at 5v5 or on the PP.

It is what you would expect. It is hard to measure Bean's 5v5 minutes relative to Hamilton's because they play different roles. Think about the situations where Hamilton would be deployed with the 4th line versus Bean. But, in general, Bean elevates good players offensively relative to Hamilton while Hamilton elevates bad players.

5v5 With	TOI With	Bean GF/60	Bean GF% With	Hamilton GF/60	Hamilton GF%
Teuvo Teravainen	8	7.71	100	2.7	60
Martin Necas	89	4.04	100	1.63	80
Sebastian Aho	63	3.79	80	2.72	75
Nino Niederreiter	89	3.36	83.33	2.71	77.78
Warren Foegele	57	2.09	100	2.37	62.5
Andrei Svechnikov	66	1.81	50	2.66	52.94
Vincent Trocheck	66	1.81	66.67	1.76	60
Brock McGinn	67	1.79	100	2.36	60
Jordan Martinook	80	1.49	33.33	3.4	62.5
Jordan Staal	49	1.22	100	2.47	50
Jesper Fast	60	1	25	2.7	50
Cedric Paquette	69	0.87	25	1.29	50
Steven Lorentz	70	0.86	25	1.97	66.67
Morgan Geekie	39	0	0	1.55	25

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Bean + Necas 4.04 5v5 GF/60 in 89 minutes - just as a comparison - Cale Makar sits at 4.06 GF/60 in 384 total minutes this year. McDavid is 4.04 GF/60 in 624 minutes. So that small slice is comparable to how the best 2 players in the league play all the time. Only 6 goals for Bean+Necas versus 26 for Makar and 42 for McDavid.

Hamilton has 2 goals and 8 assists 5v5. Four secondary assists so 6 primary points. In comparison Brett Pesce has 13 points (9 primary) in similar minutes.
Hamilton leads the team with 14 PP points. All assists with half of them secondary. Hamilton has a point on 63.4% of his PP's goals which pretty good. Of the 19 NHL D with more than 100 PP minutes, Hamilton is tied for #5 with Quinn Hughes and Tyson Barrie. By PP P/60 Hamilton is #2 behind Hedman on this list of 19.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Because , rest assured if you don't get better your opponents will. That's a fact not a platitude.

Well, Some of Buffalo's opponents didn't get better over the years, and the Sabres still got worse.

 

[hockeynjune]

Well, Some of Buffalo's opponents didn't get better over the years, and the Sabres still got worse.

They got better than Buffalo did.

 

[hblueridgegal]

I don't understand having Martinook out there at the end when we're trying to score for a comeback. There was no other offensive threat to utilize?

 

[MinJaBen]

I don't understand having Martinook out there at the end when we're trying to score for a comeback. There was no other offensive threat to utilize?

"Hi, I'm Rod and I'm a 4th-line-oholic."

"HI ROD!"

 

[Joe McGrath]

I don't understand having Martinook out there at the end when we're trying to score for a comeback. There was no other offensive threat to utilize?

They called timeout with almost 3 minutes left and sent out Staal/Aho/Necas/Svech for forwards. They got tired eventually and he put out Nino/Tro/Fast/Martinook. I mean take your pick of McGinn/McLovin/Lorentz/Pacquette, or 3D? I don’t want any of them out there but that’s reality without TT.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

They got better than Buffalo did.

They already were better.

I’m mostly being facetious here, but how much better we get can also have little impact on opponents.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

The Pesce play looked atrocious. But there is a fine line between good and disaster.

I watched the play in split-second increments. When Pesce receives the puck, Staal is directly in front of him. Staal even tried to move his stick to create a lane to clear the puck, but in that 1/2 second or so Soderberg has closed on Pesce. Pesce rotates to shoot the puck off the open right boards to get it completely out of the zone. However, turning his shoulders allows Kane to lift his stick.

Had the puck deflected off Staal or been stopped by Soderberg it would have also looked atrocious. In fact, what looked like the good play to Pesce—the one player he can't see is Kane—ends up being the worst as it allows Kane to close on Pesce and also for DeBrincat to end up open in front of the net as Slavin skates up ice, likely to make a change.

So definitely not a good play by Pesce, but in reality more of the type of play that makes Kane one of the best.

Frankly, it was a very Datsyukian play... And there's a reason those types of plays are named after one of the best to ever play the game. Rough one for Pesce but like you said, it was an incredible play by Kane.

I actually thought Pesce's play on the 2 on 1 goal earlier in the game was worse, I know it was Skjei's pinch that left him in that position and that was bad, but Brett seemed to be indecisive about how to play the 2 on 1 and didn't completely take away the pass until it was too late, making it tough for Ned to just play the shooter. It probably should've been saved as it was kind of a weak shot, but it was not a good play by Pesce either.

Rough game from Pesce and Skjei, but I do think that was just a one off -- not concerned about either of them going forward.

 

[hockeynjune]

They already were better.

I’m mostly being facetious here, but how much better we get can also have little impact on opponents.

I know and my point is illustrated by your point. If you are not constantly working and looking to get better you will stay the same or get worse but those of your competition that are doing those things will leave you behind.

 

[surfzone365]

We need these losses now instead of the playoffs. We don’t need to be offensively frustrated like we were last night during the postseason. Figure it out now while we’re still in a good position.

 

[hblueridgegal]

They called timeout with almost 3 minutes left and sent out Staal/Aho/Necas/Svech for forwards. They got tired eventually and he put out Nino/Tro/Fast/Martinook. I mean take your pick of McGinn/McLovin/Lorentz/Pacquette, or 3D? I don’t want any of them out there but that’s reality without TT.

I hear what you're saying but, of that list, he'd be my last choice. At least, the others have scored or been closer to scoring in recent memory.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

The Pesce play looked atrocious. But there is a fine line between good and disaster.

I watched the play in split-second increments. When Pesce receives the puck, Staal is directly in front of him. Staal even tried to move his stick to create a lane to clear the puck, but in that 1/2 second or so Soderberg has closed on Pesce. Pesce rotates to shoot the puck off the open right boards to get it completely out of the zone. However, turning his shoulders allows Kane to lift his stick.

Had the puck deflected off Staal or been stopped by Soderberg it would have also looked atrocious. In fact, what looked like the good play to Pesce—the one player he can't see is Kane—ends up being the worst as it allows Kane to close on Pesce and also for DeBrincat to end up open in front of the net as Slavin skates up ice, likely to make a change.

So definitely not a good play by Pesce, but in reality more of the type of play that makes Kane one of the best.

No. The Pesce turnover was terrible and no amount of analysis to ‘justify’ why he did what he did or paint it as a rock and a hard place no win situation is letting him off the hook.

You have the puck on your stick with control on the pk your only job is getting it out. End of story. Mistakes happen but the puck should have been cleared. That’s why the rest of the pk unit let up because it was on Pesces stick and he should have been able to do something better than let Kane steal it from him right in front of the goalie.

The puck came from the corner into the slot right to Pesce. Kane was in the corner where the puck came from and he was skating towards Pesce. There’s no way he shouldn’t have been able to see Kane coming at him. Pesce tried to be too perfect and it burned him and the team big time.

 

[Chrispy]

Yes there were a couple of bad plays on D. I thought the first one was on Ned but I can see Pesce having some blame, I'd need to see it again.

All that said, scoring one goal in 60 minutes isn't going to get you many points.

 

[Roboturner913]

Some of yall turn one game (in this case, two periods of a game) into a "trend" so fast it makes me dizzy.

Team scored 4 goals the previous game, another 4 goals the game before that, and won 3-0 the game before that, but suddenly we have struggles offensively.

I mean.....gee whiz, drama club