Weekes: UTH interested in Cossa

[jkutswings]

Ya cool he showed up on all star roster …. Irl he bitches and complains his gm does nothing when he vanishes yearly march and beyond

Trading him will end up being the best thing longterm. Should have been dealt away years ago

Yep. The ex girlfriend is the worst human on the planet, and whatever guy is unlucky enough to date her after you is in for a whirlwind.

Or maybe she's just flawed, and it took two people to truly sour the relationship, whether that was 50/50 or 80/20.

Hopefully Yzerman nails this trade. And follows it up with additional really good moves. But he's had a whole lot of crappy decisions over the last few years, so we'll see.

 

[Oddbob]

Holy cow Hayton is already 26.

I mean he has had a couple 40 pt seasons. It's not earth shattering but better than a 2nd.

Is it? We are already unimpressed with Compher level players, that is all Hayton is as well. He isn't even as good as Compher's best seasons and doesn't appear to be improving. I wouldn't trade really anything for Hayton, we have seen enough of this level of player on Detroit. He also just had a 25 pt season in 67 games.

 

[Oddbob]

I don't want Cossa traded but I think Hayton could be a decent return.

It would be terrible. It is younger Compher, but not even as good as Compher.

 

[Oddbob]

He's everything you want Kasper to be but isn't.

Likely just exposes how bad our Center prospects are.

I want Kasper to be far better than Hayton. If Kasper is Hayton it is bust city. What player are you guys that like Hayton looking at here? His stats aren't good.

Is there another Barrett Hayton I don't know of or something. 2 ok seasons, and 3 and a half really bad seasons, including this last season.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

I want Kasper to be far better than Hayton. If Kasper is Hayton it is bust city. What player are you guys that like Hayton looking at here? His stats aren't good.

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Is there another Barrett Hayton I don't know of or something. 2 ok seasons, and 3 and a half really bad seasons, including this last season.

But see, he has a different name than JT Compher.

And he was taken one pick before Filip Zadina and only one pick after Brady Tkachuk!

 

[Oddbob]

But see, he has a different name than JT Compher.

And he was taken one pick before Filip Zadina and only one pick after Brady Tkachuk!

Ah:

 

[DetroitRed]

We’ve had goalies come up from the minors and perform well filling in for one of our NHL goalies. Sometimes you bring a goalie prospect up and he’s ready, other times it takes a season or two. That’s normal. What is not normal is not having the balls to try. I don’t think we lack the ability to train goalies, I think we lack the balls to finally bring them and see.

 

[Henkka]

It would be terrible. It is younger Compher, but not even as good as Compher.

They are quite different players.

Just wonder that Hayton finishing ability. I saw him as great finisher at junior age. Laser shots. Then nothing has gone in at NHL.

Hayton is pretty good 5-on-5 player. And that's a need for a middle6. That's definitely a try I would make, if a different team could cause different results.

 

[Oddbob]

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They are quite different players.

Just wonder that Hayton finishing ability. I saw him as great finisher at junior age. Laser shots. Then nothing has gone in at NHL.

Hayton is pretty good 5-on-5 player. And that's a need for a middle6. That's definitely a try I would make, if a different team could cause different results.

Could care less about these nonsense charts. He is just a younger and different named Compher level player. He doesn't improve our team and certainly not for a good prospect.

 

[Henkka]

Could care less about these nonsense charts.

You just can't read them. That's too bad. Others can. It gives you some information.

 

[Oddbob]

You just can't read them. That's too bad. Others can. It gives you some information.

In hockey those charts mean next to nothing. You know whether players are good or not, by watching them play. Also, it wasn't a stylistic comparison, it was a level of player comparison. Their impact to the team they play on is identical. Both lowish pt, ok defence, small team impact.

There are also plenty of bad bad players that have good fancy stats.

 

[jkutswings]

Ah:

Kudos for using Will Ferrell on both posts.

 

[newfy]

Has there been any news Larkin might want to go to Utah?

I remain pretty skeptical that even if he expands his list he would include Utah.

Well there's been some talk from a few people I've seen, not sure anything has been said by someone like Friedman or Lebrun. Jeff Marek who actually is legit (just not the level of the other 2) came out on his podcast and both him and his co host both said they heard Utah was on it.

Since Larkin seems to want to play with USA Olympians maybe Keller has sold him on it or something

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Is it? We are already unimpressed with Compher level players, that is all Hayton is as well. He isn't even as good as Compher's best seasons and doesn't appear to be improving. I wouldn't trade really anything for Hayton, we have seen enough of this level of player on Detroit. He also just had a 25 pt season in 67 games.

I mean we needed good bottom six players, I'm not exactly high on another Yzerman 2nd round pick. I'd rather take the NHLer.

 

[ricky0034]

**Refrain from drafting, signing and trading for centres who fit the Compher/Copp archetypes or draw 5 cards**

Yzerman;

Larkin's leaving but maybe we can make up for it by having a Copp on EVERY LINE

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I want Kasper to be far better than Hayton. If Kasper is Hayton it is bust city. What player are you guys that like Hayton looking at here? His stats aren't good.

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Is there another Barrett Hayton I don't know of or something. 2 ok seasons, and 3 and a half really bad seasons, including this last season.

Cossa isn't worth that much now that he is no longer waiver eligible.

 

[Oddbob]

I mean we needed good bottom six players, I'm not exactly high on another Yzerman 2nd round pick. I'd rather take the NHLer.

Are we happy Compher is here? Same level player, the only difference is we would now have a new name to not be impressed by. Is that all you want, a new name(s) to be the spacegoat(s)?

I don't want to trade Cossa, Postava or Augustine until we know one is actually good in the NHL and certainly not for a bottom 6 player who doesn't improve our team at all. I'd rather risk finding out and getting nothing in return if it doesn't work out.

 

[Oddbob]

Cossa isn't worth that much now that he is no longer waiver eligible.

Neither is Hayton. We complain about Compher level players on Detroit all the time. Wanting Hayton just reads as wanting a new spacegoat to me. We spent assets to move up to 15 to get Cossa, Cossa has done nothing to not earn an NHL shot, and now we are trading him for a nothing player and some are acting like this is a good outcome, I don't get it.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Neither is Hayton. We complain about Compher level players on Detroit all the time. Wanting Hayton just reads as wanting a new spacegoat to me. We spent assets to move up to 15 to get Cossa, Cossa has done nothing to not earn an NHL shot, and now we are trading him for a nothing player and some are acting like this is a good outcome, I don't get it.

I said I would rather just ride and see what Cossa is, you're putting words in my mouth.

I would rather have something way more than Hayton, but I'm being realistic on what you can get if they do trade him. It's not like I'm banging the table for it and gonna get a Hayton jersey day one. I'd just rather have him than a 2nd gun to my head.

 

[Oddbob]

I said I would rather just ride and see what Cossa is, you're putting words in my mouth.

I would rather have something way more than Hayton, but I'm being realistic on what you can get if they do trade him. It's not like I'm banging the table for it and gonna get a Hayton jersey day one. I'd just rather have him than a 2nd gun to my head.

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, but even mentioning him as something for Cossa or any prospect is not something to be excited or interested about.

 

[drw02]

I think Postava is pretty darn good. That was a savvy pluck from the Czech league. He and Augustine are definitely why Cossa is being shopped, but IMO the return needs to be a late first or equivalent (at worst). Goalies often reach their peak around their mid-late 20s, Cossa is 23.

Franchise just can’t get out of their own way. Spend a 1st and 5 years developing a guy only to cast him aside for some guy out of the Czech league with no pedigree who merely had an outlier season in minor league hockey

 

[JediOrderPizza]

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, but even mentioning him as something for Cossa or any prospect is not something to be excited or interested about.

Your right it's not, and goalies just get crap returns.

It just looks like they wanna do this, I'm at least hoping he in the Larkin deal as well to get a better package.

 

[Oddbob]

Your right it's not, and goalies just get crap returns.

It just looks like they wanna do this, I'm at least hoping he in the Larkin deal as well to get a better package.

Agreed, goalie returns even with a Patrick Roy level are not good at all, which is exactly why I just want to ride this out and see what Cossa has at this level. I find it weird that a professional GM would not see what they have first before making a move. If Postava had 15-30 games with the Wings or something than I would at least get trying to move one, but the 3 hopefuls have been given 45 minutes in relief, which on a rebuilding team is ridiculous, especially since we missed the playoffs yet again.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Neither is Hayton. We complain about Compher level players on Detroit all the time. Wanting Hayton just reads as wanting a new spacegoat to me. We spent assets to move up to 15 to get Cossa, Cossa has done nothing to not earn an NHL shot, and now we are trading him for a nothing player and some are acting like this is a good outcome, I don't get it.

I do not agree with trading Cossa at the moment. That said, I don't think his trade value is as high as some are suggesting.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Are we happy Compher is here? Same level player, the only difference is we would now have a new name to not be impressed by. Is that all you want, a new name(s) to be the spacegoat(s)?

I don't want to trade Cossa, Postava or Augustine until we know one is actually good in the NHL and certainly not for a bottom 6 player who doesn't improve our team at all. I'd rather risk finding out and getting nothing in return if it doesn't work out.

I'll be honest, I am.

But that's because I am just a CCM fanboy and was over the moon when Motte was here and was so pissed that we couldn't also acquire Kyle Connor.

I do love the Michigan players that have come through because from like 2011 or so on, they have started to get real legit studs running through that program on the regular.

And I do actually think if we had a better 2C when Larkin was the 1C and only one of Copp or Compher, we'd really appreciate either one of them more. We dislike the pair as overpaid and worthless because they're low end 2Cs and optimally really good 3Cs or 2Ws... and if we only had one of them and instead replaced the other with... prime Val Filppula or somethingwe'd like them a lot more.