Pre-Game Talk: Week of Make a F***ing Save, Damnit! vs NYI (Mon 7PM); vs BOS (Wed 7:30PM); vs ANA (Fri 7PM); @ SJ (Sun 6PM)

RECKLESS · 2024-10-15T12:22:25-0400

Book it and mark my words, Avs win Boston next game.

Day off. Re-set. Welcome an east-coast heavyweight (this I mean literally, biggest boys of the league) to altitude, and f***ing skate around them.

henchman21 · 2024-10-15T12:24:19-0400

RECKLESS said:
Book it and mark my words, Avs win Boston next game.

Day off. Re-set. Welcome an east-coast heavyweight (this I mean literally, biggest boys of the league) to altitude, and f***ing skate around them.

Given how soft the Avs are, this is more scary than hopeful.

S E P H · 2024-10-15T12:26:39-0400

henchman21 said:
Is this bad? It feels bad.

It's definitely a mixture of Georgiev being horrific and Avs playing rubbish defence in front of him. I just point this out due to the Dallas Stars and LA Kings goalers being in the top 10.

henchman21 · 2024-10-15T12:34:09-0400

S E P H said:
It's definitely a mixture of Georgiev being horrific and Avs playing rubbish defence in front of him. I just point this out due to the Dallas Stars and LA Kings goalers being in the top 10.

To me, last night was the first truly bad game the team had defensively and they weren't horrific... just bad. All situations, the Avs sit 10th in xGA/60. That's roughly where they should probably be.

I honestly think it is undersold on how horrific the goaltending is. The Avs' GAA is 6.67. Their xGAA is 2.68. Which means they are 3.99 per game over expectation. The next worst in the league is Edmonton at 2.25. Excluding the Avs, there are only 7 other teams giving up more than 3.99 per game period. 5 of those are practically tied with it at exactly 4. Meaning only 2 teams have an actual GAA materially worse than what the Avs are giving up over expectation. Washington and Edmonton are those two teams.

Ceremony · 2024-10-15T12:38:10-0400

At what point do we write off the season?

RECKLESS · 2024-10-15T12:38:28-0400

henchman21 said:
Given how soft the Avs are, this is more scary than hopeful.

Was my initial thought and I watched the Boston-Florida game last night. That Bruins team over there sure is big n nasty, but given the schedule and them travelling to Denver we have at least the decent possibility to counter.

I guess what I'm saying is
I WANT TO BELIEVE

The Moops · 2024-10-15T12:39:01-0400

Ceremony said:
At what point do we write off the season?

I did after the first pre-season game

henchman21 · 2024-10-15T12:41:05-0400

RECKLESS said:
Was my initial thought and I watched the Boston-Florida game last night. That Bruins team over there sure is big n nasty, but given the schedule and them travelling to Denver we have at least the decent possibility to counter.

I guess what I'm saying is
I WANT TO BELIEVE

At some point, the Avs will come up with a big win. Might as well be against Boston!

The Moops · 2024-10-15T12:41:54-0400

henchman21 said:
At some point, the Avs will come up with a big win. Might as well be against Boston!

Even teams like Boston will have let down games once in a while. Might as well be against us

RockLobster · 2024-10-15T13:08:09-0400

Ceremony said:
At what point do we write off the season?

S E P H · 2024-10-15T14:25:50-0400

henchman21 said:
To me, last night was the first truly bad game the team had defensively and they weren't horrific... just bad. All situations, the Avs sit 10th in xGA/60. That's roughly where they should probably be.

I honestly think it is undersold on how horrific the goaltending is. The Avs' GAA is 6.67. Their xGAA is 2.68. Which means they are 3.99 per game over expectation. The next worst in the league is Edmonton at 2.25. Excluding the Avs, there are only 7 other teams giving up more than 3.99 per game period. 5 of those are practically tied with it at exactly 4. Meaning only 2 teams have an actual GAA materially worse than what the Avs are giving up over expectation. Washington and Edmonton are those two teams.

I understand the analytics show the Avs' defence is a lot better than we think it is, but I just can't come to that conclusion. It has been awful since the Cup win and some of that is losing personnel as well as players being overplayed along with our system being adjusted to by opposing teams. Our defence doesn't excuse Georgiev because we agree that he is mentally broken, but I've noticed a ton more dangerous chances against him, especially off the rush than what Kuemper or Francouz have had to deal with. Most of those chances are happening when teams cycling against us.

Anders Cain · 2024-10-15T14:51:14-0400

henchman21 said:
Given how soft the Avs are, this is more scary than hopeful.

Last night I was like f*** this in skipping the next game...

I wont. But the angry thought was there lol. I've missed watching only a handful of avs games in the last 10 years.. Even thru the terrible post cap years where everything was bad and arnason was top line center lighting up Edmonton and only Edmonton.. I can't help myself lol

henchman21 · 2024-10-15T14:51:16-0400

S E P H said:
I understand the analytics show the Avs' defence is a lot better than we think it is, but I just can't come to that conclusion. It has been awful since the Cup win and some of that is losing personnel as well as players being overplayed along with our system being adjusted to by opposing teams. Our defence doesn't excuse Georgiev because we agree that he is mentally broken, but I've noticed a ton more dangerous chances against him, especially off the rush than what Kuemper or Francouz have had to deal with. Most of those chances are happening when teams cycling against us.

I think it is human nature that when things go wrong, we start seeing the bad more than the good. Pointing that out more and latching onto it. Then when things are going good, you ignore a lot of the bad. Just take the winning streaks from last year... there was still plenty going wrong, it was just covered up by some puck luck and hot streaks.

I just fail to see a team that has these stats is abysmal defensively.

SA/60 27.33
CA/60 46.67
SCA/60 23.33
HDCA/60 11
xGA/60 2.68

Certainly there have been mistakes and lapses. Those happen all the time. All of those numbers though are an improvement on the last two seasons' teams. Maybe more surprisingly for people, they are actually better than the Cup team's numbers. Last night wasn't good, but the first two games were spectacular defensively. You can point to errors, but any game you can do that.

I don't think this team is perfect or playing perfect defense. As whole though, if the defense plays at this level (I don't think this holds personally), the expectation should be a lot of wins. Coaches dream of ~27 shots and 11 high danger chances. That's dead puck era danger.

Grigowski · 2024-10-15T15:36:43-0400

Ceremony said:
At what point do we write off the season?

At this rate i would say we can waive the flag at thanksgiving....If not earlier.....

Balthazar · 2024-10-15T15:51:16-0400

henchman21 said:
Given how soft the Avs are, this is more scary than hopeful.

I was thinking about that yesterday, we are always on the soft side but this was possibly the softest version of the Avs I've ever seen.

The Moops said:
I did after the first pre-season game

Smart
Avs are 1-8-0 including pre-season.

henchman21 · 2024-10-15T16:47:25-0400

Balthazar said:
I was thinking about that yesterday, we are always on the soft side but this was possibly the softest version of the Avs I've ever seen.

It is concerning on the back end more than anything, and games like last night illustrate that. This defense can get bullied pretty easily and they wilted instead of stepping up. Up front was fine last night, but the defense was allergic to the physical play and played afraid.

forsbergavs32 · 2024-10-15T17:16:42-0400

henchman21 said:
It is concerning on the back end more than anything, and games like last night illustrate that. This defense can get bullied pretty easily and they wilted instead of stepping up. Up front was fine last night, but the defense was allergic to the physical play and played afraid.

I was alright with Ludvig last night, but I didn't see that physical play people were talking about. The only physical guy on the back end is Manson. Hell, Makar used to lay people out but that's even gone away.

SoundwaveIsCharisma · 2024-10-15T17:39:10-0400

forsbergavs32 said:
I was alright with Ludvig last night, but I didn't see that physical play people were talking about. The only physical guy on the back end is Manson. Hell, Makar used to lay people out but that's even gone away.

I feel like nice guy Cale has PTSD from wrecking McCann

henchman21 · 2024-10-15T17:53:58-0400

forsbergavs32 said:
I was alright with Ludvig last night, but I didn't see that physical play people were talking about. The only physical guy on the back end is Manson. Hell, Makar used to lay people out but that's even gone away.

Makar barely hits anymore. Ludvig was the Avs only defender with more than 1 hit, and he only had 2. I wouldn't say he was physical last night or played his normal game, but IMO he was noticeably more physical than the rest of the Avs defensemen.

Balthazar · 2024-10-15T18:28:35-0400

henchman21 said:
Makar barely hits anymore.

I wonder why

expatriatedtexan · 2024-10-15T19:20:43-0400

henchman21 said:
Makar barely hits anymore. Ludvig was the Avs only defender with more than 1 hit, and he only had 2. I wouldn't say he was physical last night or played his normal game, but IMO he was noticeably more physical than the rest of the Avs defensemen.

I actually really liked what little I saw of Ludvig. I hope he stays in the lineup for a few more games at least just to find where he is at consistency-wise and maybe where he starts to fall off at minute wise.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is from what I've seen he's better than CDH or Kylington. Or at least plays more of the style we need, defensive mind d-man to help Malinski (or whoever is the "offensive specialist" of the third pair.

But...he was also working in the offensive zone as well, he looked HUNGRY going for that rebound to the right of the net.

UncleRisto · 2024-10-16T02:13:18-0400

Grigowski said:
At this rate i would say we can waive the flag at thanksgiving....If not earlier.....

Canadian.

RoyIsALegend · 2024-10-16T08:58:45-0400

Unlike the last two games against Columbus and NYI where I was thoroughly disappointed, I am fully prepared for a loss tonight.

Let's get this over with. 0-4 on the season by tomorrow.

missionAvs · 2024-10-16T08:59:59-0400

RoyIsALegend said:
Unlike the last two games against Columbus and NYI where I was thoroughly disappointed, I am fully prepared for a loss tonight.

Let's get this over with. 0-4 on the season by tomorrow.

I'm ready.

henchman21 · 2024-10-16T09:26:35-0400

I expect an 8-0 win with George pitching a shutout and @Balthazar having his best night.

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