NFL GDT: Week 8: Russell’s New Recipe

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If John Mara had butted in appropriately, Saquon would still be there.
To the detriment of Barkley. Giants were not going anywhere with Jones at QB. Just taking more hits to collect a paycheck without a chance to do something in the PO. Eagles are not the same club from 2022 season, but still much better than NYG.
 

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Similar to what Oregon did

I picked up on that last night. AFter a 7 yard gain on 1st down, chance of Pitt getting a 1st, only needing 3 yards on 2 plays was good. Thus, it made sense otherwise, if Pitt gets the 1st, at best the Giants have under 1 minute left and 80 yards to go.

Pitt got a 1st down on their first play following a Giants hold. Then got the 7 yards.

Unlike at Oregon, this was a dead ball foul, but more importantly for NYG it stopped the clock.
 

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When Richardson tapped out because he was tired, that was a wrap.

He should really look himself in the mirror and put in the work.
The 3rd down was at the 23 and it was a to goal situation. Can’t just call a run to rest him. Team needed their QB to make a throw to either get a TD or get inside the 5 to have the option to go for it. They lost by 3. If you get a TD there vs a FG that could have been the game changing difference.

He’s what like 23. Should have gotten himself in shape. He can take the time this week to run extra wind sprints to get in shape.
 

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The 3rd down was at the 23 and it was a to goal situation. Can’t just call a run to rest him. Team needed their QB to make a throw to either get a TD or get inside the 5 to have the option to go for it. They lost by 3. If you get a TD there vs a FG that could have been the game changing difference.

He’s what like 23. Should have gotten himself in shape. He can take the time this week to run extra wind sprints to get in shape.

His conditioning is the worrisome part.
 

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His conditioning is the worrisome part.
He looks the part, but this isn't bodybuilding where it is about aesthetics. It's functionality and conditioning. Have to be in there for the 65 or so plays you get on Offence. Again, I've never seen any of the renowned running QBs tap out. Vick, Lamar, Russ, Kyler, Allen, etc.
 

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Absolute morons to not do it against the Texans in a game they were in for 1st place.
That's the balance Indy has to make. Do you blow this season to see what they have in Richardson or do they try to make the PO with the veteran. But, then they don't get their answer of Richardson. AR showed a lot about himself tapping out like that.
 
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I don't think he would have lasted the entire season as a starter even before he was "tired," but that probably sped up his demise by a good amount.

Richardson wasn't ever going to be an NFL QB. He barely played in college and executives got duped by the "i can fix him" fallacy because the Bills managed to actually turn one of those types of prospects into a stud.
 

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I don't think he would have lasted the entire season as a starter even before he was "tired," but that probably sped up his demise by a good amount.

Richardson wasn't ever going to be an NFL QB. He barely played in college and executives got duped by the "i can fix him" fallacy because the Bills managed to actually turn one of those types of prospects into a stud.
Josh Allen started 6 games in JuCo. And 26 at Wyoming. Style of offense more pro than read option there.

The 1 year starters in recent drafts:

Richardson 13 college starts.
Trubisky 13 college starts.
Haskins 14 college starts.
Lance 17 college starts, and attempted 318 passes. That is less than 20 per game.
Mac Jones 17 college starts
Sanchez 16 college starts
Murray 17 college starts

Not a great list of success having under 20 college starts. Bottom 2 guys are the most successful. Sanchez was protected early in his career, but when more was expected out of him he couldn't deliver.
 
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Josh Allen started 6 games in JuCo. And 26 at Wyoming. Style of offense more pro than read option there.

The 1 year starters in recent drafts:

Richardson 13 college starts.
Trubisky 13 college starts.
Haskins 14 college starts.
Lance 17 college starts, and attempted 318 passes. That is less than 20 per game.
Mac Jones 17 college starts
Sanchez 16 college starts
Murray 17 college starts

Not a great list of success having under 20 college starts. Bottom 2 guys are the most successful. Sanchez was protected early in his career, but when more was expected out of him he couldn't deliver.
Right, i was talking more about how even with the extra experience, Allen was still seen as incredibly raw coming out of Wyoming.

This essentially just reinforces it. If Allen was seen as that raw with essentially two seasons of starting under his belt, why in the f*** did the Colts think a guy with even less than that was the move?
 
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Right, i was talking more about how even with the extra experience, Allen was still seen as incredibly raw coming out of Wyoming.

This essentially just reinforces it. If Allen was seen as that raw with essentially two seasons of starting under his belt, why in the f*** did the Colts think a guy with even less than that was the move?

People still fall in love with the guys with raw tools, who cares if a guy can actually play the position, did you see the velocity on those throws?
 

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Regardless of what you think of McAfee, this guy has defended Richardson for soo long and even he is done with him now

"He's 22 years old and is talking about being tired playing 1 game a week, Top 5 picks in NFL drafts have extremely good salaries, so to say you're tired, his teammates are going to turn on him very quick, as the city already as"
 

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Regardless of what you think of McAfee, this guy has defended Richardson for soo long and even he is done with him now

"He's 22 years old and is talking about being tired playing 1 game a week, Top 5 picks in NFL drafts have extremely good salaries, so to say you're tired, his teammates are going to turn on him very quick, as the city already as"

Guy should follow Joe Flacco around and learn how to be a proper NFL quarterback. Richardson is clearly not listening to anyone but his entourage.
 

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allen was extremely raw coming out of college and wasn't very good his rookie season, but i remember he showed glimpses of his potential. his accuracy wasn't all that great, but he also had a terrible o-line and receiving corps

aside from some bright spots last season with richardson, he hasn't shown any signs that he can hold down a starting job
 

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allen was extremely raw coming out of college and wasn't very good his rookie season, but i remember he showed glimpses of his potential. his accuracy wasn't all that great, but he also had a terrible o-line and receiving corps

aside from some bright spots last season with richardson, he hasn't shown any signs that he can hold down a starting job
Allen was raw his first year but like you said he showed off his talent, especially during that Vikings game. It also didnt help that he had one of the absolute worst reciever corps that I have ever watched. It was no surprise that he started becoming more and more consistent after they went out and got him actual recievers during his sophomore season. Brown and Beasley helped further along his development by miles during the 2019 season . Then getting Diggs the next year put him over the top.
 

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These QBs who are 1 and done are making the decision to leave early when they have eligibility remaining. What the kid sees is the $30 mill of the rookie deal for the top 5 picks. So for that money you are expected to show progress.

Also time for nfl clubs to pass up on these projects. Nix is at $18 mill at pick 12. The drop off from the big money happens fast. Penix was at 8 and he’s at $23 mill. Richardson a year earlier at 4 got $34 mill. Pick 20 is $15 mill.

The rest of the roster isn’t there to wait on watch a QB not improve. Kids get NIL money now. Should consider staying in college as an investment in themselves as if you do warrant a second nfl contract your yearly salary will be higher than the total of the first pick in the draft’s entire rookie deal.
 

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allen was extremely raw coming out of college and wasn't very good his rookie season, but i remember he showed glimpses of his potential. his accuracy wasn't all that great, but he also had a terrible o-line and receiving corps

aside from some bright spots last season with richardson, he hasn't shown any signs that he can hold down a starting job
The difference is that Allen never checked out in a middle of a game or subsequently, revealed he might have been utterly lacking in offseason preparation.

He's closer to Dwayne Haskins and Haskins' nonsense of saying the right things but not putting in the work than Josh Allen.
 

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They set up the contract system in a way that makes it that way. Both sides are motivated and incentivized to start QBs right away because those rookie contracts pass by very quickly. The next contract is based on data, so every lost game is a lost evidence to evaluate.
Right. So, if these kids are looking at the 2nd deals that Lawrence, Burrow, Hurts, Jackson, Tua signed and lamenting missed generational wealth, that's on them for not making sure they were more ready for the rigours and expectations of the NFL. Up to the kid to decide to come out or return to school.

You chose to come out after 1 year as a starter. Likely chances of successfully getting a 2nd contract in today's slotted system, it's been Murray who has gotten paid with under 20 games in college on a 2nd contract. Haskins cut on his rookie deal. Trubisky left as free agent and no 5th year option picked up. Jones and Lance traded and no option picked up. Right now, no looking good for Richardson to get that 2nd contract.
 

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