Buffalo Bills Week 6 -- Buffalo (3-2) at Jets (2-3 ) Monday 10/14, 8:15 pm, ESPN and ABC

[kirby11]

I would welcome that, but they usually cost a premium

Yeah, you kinda need to get lucky and find someone that's mostly been cast as a deep threat and just hasn't had a chance to show off their route running ability as much. I thought Samuel might provide some of that, but Brady seems fixated on using him purely as a gadget WR, and he doesn't ever seem to be the first or second option when he runs actual routes.

 

[kirby11]

I watched the Bills game today, as I had a day off from work. I don’t particularly understand why Brady attacked the way he did.

I get the calls for WR help. But Brady didn’t do enough to help himself. The en vogue cover 1 beater concept is WR isolation. Then make the game into 1v1, receiver vs corner. With the inexperience they have in Coleman, that’s was silly.

The classic way to beat cover 1 is crossers. If it’s man, you combo into some traffic and hit crossers. If it’s zone, you wait until the receiver enters a window. The Kincaid catch to set up Cook’s TD and Hopkins’ big gainer were crossers.

I wouldn’t sound the alarm on a WR trade yet. I think Brady can solve this schematically. He needs to dig back into his Franklin, Penn State time. Shorten the routes, throw lots and lots of crossers. Let the YAC make the yardage.

I like the crossers idea in theory, but the interior OL getting crushed while pass blocking and Allen leaving the pocket a beat too early over the past two weeks has probably hurt that approach. It's a bit of a chicken or egg problem--you gotta hang in the pocket and throw under pressure to connect on some of those intermediate passes over the middle, but it's hard to trust the OL will hold up enough when they're constantly scraping you off the ground.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I like the crossers idea in theory, but the interior OL getting crushed while pass blocking and Allen leaving the pocket a beat too early over the past two weeks has probably hurt that approach. It's a bit of a chicken or egg problem--you gotta hang in the pocket and throw under pressure to connect on some of those intermediate passes over the middle, but it's hard to trust the OL will hold up enough when they're constantly scraping you off the ground.

If you’re throwing deeper crossers, agree.

The entire underlying premise behind the horizontal offense (west coast) is quick crossers. So it’s doable. Brady just needs to dial up some WC plays.

An offense like SFs would’ve crushed Houston’s defensive scheme, even if run by the Bills players.

 

[TehDoak]

I honestly think the regression by the offense is simply experienced coordinators getting Joe Brady on films.

They see what he does against certain defenses, so they add some new wrinkles to essentially take away the 1st option.

Shakir demands some bracketing too...without that it it was easy to wipe out the 1st read for Josh and force him to 2nd and 3rd options.

I think the big thing right now is that the lack of a downfield threat. MVS, Samuel, and Hollins to some level were supposed to be downfield threats to stretch the field. They haven't been. The only player who has consistently open in single coverage has been Coleman, and he's not a speedster.

So teams have been able to, essentially, not respect Allens deep ball threat because no one can catch it. It's the reason we saw so many shot plays early was because it was open and our guys couldn't catch the ball. We even got Kincaid in single coverage by a linebacker streaking down the field and Houston's LB made a hell of a play defending the ball

Honestly, we need to connect on a few PA deep balls to really force the teams back into two high safety to let the short game work.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

I think that Joe Brady has taken a reasonable amount of heat for what has happened the last two weeks.

I think that Brandon Beane has taken a reasonable amount of heat.

I think that Josh Allen continues to get a pass from large segments of the fanbase that are unwilling to admit that he isn't perfect and he has bad games.

Allen needs to be better. Brady needs to be better. The WRs need to be better.

Down on vacation with family and my uncle was asking why I’m not as upset as he is. All I had was “they win, a lot, at some point I have to accept that they’ve been as good or better than every team out there but the chiefs at winning”. Everyone has down spots but over the last 6 years the list of teams that do better than the bills is very very short.

I honestly think the regression by the offense is simply experienced coordinators getting Joe Brady on films.

They see what he does against certain defenses, so they add some new wrinkles to essentially take away the 1st option.

Shakir demands some bracketing too...without that it it was easy to wipe out the 1st read for Josh and force him to 2nd and 3rd options.

I think the big thing right now is that the lack of a downfield threat. MVS, Samuel, and Hollins to some level were supposed to be downfield threats to stretch the field. They haven't been. The only player who has consistently open in single coverage has been Coleman, and he's not a speedster.

So teams have been able to, essentially, not respect Allens deep ball threat because no one can catch it. It's the reason we saw so many shot plays early was because it was open and our guys couldn't catch the ball. We even got Kincaid in single coverage by a linebacker streaking down the field and Houston's LB made a hell of a play defending the ball

Honestly, we need to connect on a few PA deep balls to really force the teams back into two high safety to let the short game work.

Do not disagree. I think it took Brady by surprise that the league caught up so fast. Combine that with a handful of key injuries and poorly timed flub by Allen and you get 3-2. Beat a jets team desperately trying to save half a decade and you pretty much lock up the division baring an injury to Allen. Leaving you all season to figure out how to beat the cover 1 and force teams back into the cover 2 Brady’s offense eats up.

 

[misterchainsaw]

Not a huge fan of this happening the week before our first game with them. The "new coach bump" is kind of a real thing.


And as much as I welcome an AFC East foe in chaos.......can't help but think that this is a scapegoat firing. Saleh is a defense guy and his defenses have never been a problem. Offense has always been the issue for the Jets during his tenure -- and a lot of that is a lack of talent....which isn't Saleh's fault per se.

The first bit is my feeling too. Revenge for last year when we got the Brady bump and smoked them 32-6 I guess.

I don't know how I feel about the 2nd bit. I've never felt like he's hired well at OC, and I've never felt like he had a great grasp of game management. He's honestly probably better suited as a DC somewhere.

If you’re throwing deeper crossers, agree.

The entire underlying premise behind the horizontal offense (west coast) is quick crossers. So it’s doable. Brady just needs to dial up some WC plays.

An offense like SFs would’ve crushed Houston’s defensive scheme, even if run by the Bills players.

Kansas City's offense lives off of those shallow crossers.

 

[misterchainsaw]

Yeah, you kinda need to get lucky and find someone that's mostly been cast as a deep threat and just hasn't had a chance to show off their route running ability as much. I thought Samuel might provide some of that, but Brady seems fixated on using him purely as a gadget WR, and he doesn't ever seem to be the first or second option when he runs actual routes.

This is what concerns me most about Brady through 5 weeks. Unless he's banged up, it's hard to believe that Samuel's ability has just fallen off a cliff, and so we've turned a competent NFL receiver (>60 catches every season he's been healthy, catching passes from the likes of Taylor Heinicke) into an afterthought in an offense starved for NFL caliber boundary receivers to the point where the other team is thinking gadget play every time he steps on the field.

Gadget players don't work unless they're involved in the non-gadget offense as well.

 

[SundherDome]

Id give Saleh a ring and just see if he is interested in consulting for a the rest of the year. He schemes his dline well.

 

[TehDoak]

Id give Saleh a ring and just see if he is interested in consulting for a the rest of the year. He schemes his dline well.

I'd hire him just for the inside information on the Jets gameplan for this week.

The fact we still have to play the jets twice probably makes it worth it. Give him an opportunity to shove it in the Jets faces immediately.

 

[misterchainsaw]

Apparently Salah was escorted out of the building and not allowed to talk to players or other coaches on the way out. Geez, coach for a team for 3 and a half years and that's how they treat you on the way out? I'd have a grudge if I were Salah.

 

[SabresFan26]

Apparently Salah was escorted out of the building and not allowed to talk to players or other coaches on the way out. Geez, coach for a team for 3 and a half years and that's how they treat you on the way out? I'd have a grudge if I were Salah.

Sounds like he wanted to fire Hackett and Rodgers nicked it and he got fired for it.

 

[Sabreality]

Sounds like he wanted to fire Hackett and Rodgers nicked it and he got fired for it.

Woody made the decision on his own. Didn't even consult the GM beforehand.

 

[VaporTrail]

Butker just missed a 50+ FG, which means he'll be dead perfect against us when it counts.

Either that or Bass will shank a 40 yarder for us to beat them in the playoffs.

 

[SundherDome]

Woody made the decision on his own. Didn't even consult the GM beforehand.

Rodgers and Salah have butted heads, Saleh was on the hot seat already, I'm sure the rift sealed it.

 

[buffalowing88]

Rodgers and Salah have butted heads, Saleh was on the hot seat already, I'm sure the rift sealed it.

It's wild to me that the franchise is that invested in Rodgers. I think Saleh deserved to be canned regardless. At the same time, they've hitched their wagon to a man on borrowed time. The best version of this team at this point will finish 10-7. That's probably playoffs but a low WC so long as the Bills win the games they are supposed to win.

The timelines with Rodgers and their core just don't make sense.

 

[tmlms13]

They deserve it.


Not wrong. We’ve won a few more in the playoffs tho!

It's more like the Raptors pre- Kawhi imo.

-Lost to LeBron 3 years in a row 2016 (ECF), 2017 (ECSF), 2018 (ECSF) so decent winning but hit ceiling
-Literally fired the NBA Coach of the Year lol

Maybe there's a just say f*** it. ...... Mortgage multiple 1st and 2nds trade out there...... Myles Garrett is probably available, I am not a NFL Cap expert at all but if there's a way just go for it before while Josh is still at his peak.

 

[Jim Bob]

It's more like the Raptors pre- Kawhi imo.

-Lost to LeBron 3 years in a row 2016 (ECF), 2017 (ECSF), 2018 (ECSF) so decent winning but hit ceiling
-Literally fired the NBA Coach of the Year lol

Maybe there's a just say f*** it. ...... Mortgage multiple 1st and 2nds trade out there...... Myles Garrett is probably available, I am not a NFL Cap expert at all but if there's a way just go for it before while Josh is still at his peak.

2024 was a reset year with 25% of the Bills cap being used on dead cap space.

And the Bills have almost no real cap space this year to add guys.

I think this year is a "take your medicine" season where they win a bad division and hope they get hot and lucky in the playoffs.

This is not a "go all in" year.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

2024 was a reset year with 25% of the Bills cap being used on dead cap space.

And the Bills have almost no real cap space this year to add guys.

I think this year is a "take your medicine" season where they win a bad division and hope they get hot and lucky in the playoffs.

This is not a "go all in" year.

No year is a 'go all in' year. Not until Allen looks like he's coming to the end of his prime at least.

 

[Dubi Doo]

2024 was a reset year with 25% of the Bills cap being used on dead cap space.

And the Bills have almost no real cap space this year to add guys.

I think this year is a "take your medicine" season where they win a bad division and hope they get hot and lucky in the playoffs.

This is not a "go all in" year.

I'm still not sure this isn't a go all in year. I need to see more.

I want to see how the defense looks while healthy. In all the negatives that came from the Houston game- the one positive thing is- the defense held the fort down against a good offense, and Bernard continues to look like a stud MLB. Babich also seems to do a great job at adjusting for the second half. The defense was even making stops in the Baltimore game until that terrible trick play. I mean- we almost beat a top-5 AFC team while Allen had one of his worst games ever.

The offense has tripped up, but we've seen that in the past- only for Allen to turn it on in Dec/Jan. People were saying last year that the window had closed, but by the time we were entering the playoffs- I think everyone here thought we had a legit shot at a SB.

I still have my doubts about McD ever being the guy to lead us to the promise land, but I do think there's a very real chance this team tears it up in December like they usually do.

 

[Jim Bob]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1844000317991735529

https://x.com/i/web/status/1844004130236649717

The Bills are a below average offense when passing the ball on 1st down.

I'm still not sure this isn't a go all in year. I need to see more.

I want to see how the defense looks while healthy. In all the negatives that came from the Houston game- the one positive thing is- the defense held the fort down against a good offense, and Bernard continues to look like a stud MLB. Babich also seems to do a great job at adjusting for the second half. The defense was even making stops in the Baltimore game until that terrible trick play. I mean- we almost beat a top-5 AFC team while Allen had one of his worst games ever.

The offense has tripped up, but we've seen that in the past- only for Allen to turn it on in Dec/Jan. People were saying last year that the window had closed, but by the time we were entering the playoffs- I think everyone here thought we had a legit shot at a SB.

I still have my doubts about McD ever being the guy to lead us to the promise land, but I do think there's a very real chance this team tears it up in December like they usually do.

I doubt the defense will be healthy prior to the trade deadline.

Given the lack of cap space ($2.9M today), I doubt they will be able to have a "all in" trade deadline even if they want to.

People forget that Mark Davis and the Raiders have serious cash flow issues and are highly unlikely to absorb all the Davante Adams 2024 base salary that the Bills would need them to, for instance.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1844000317991735529

https://x.com/i/web/status/1844004130236649717

The Bills are a below average offense when passing the ball on 1st down.


I doubt the defense will be healthy prior to the trade deadline.

Given the lack of cap space ($2.9M today), I doubt they will be able to have a "all in" trade deadline even if they want to.

People forget that Mark Davis and the Raiders have serious cash flow issues and are highly unlikely to absorb all the Davante Adams 2024 base salary that the Bills would need them to, for instance.

Giving up major assets (plus undoubtedly more future cap space than he'll ever be worth) for a 31/32yo Davante Adams, when you're essentially already paying Stefon Diggs NOT TO PLAY FOR YOU is a whole new level stupid.

But i get it. He's a name people know & he plays WR - so obviously we have to have him?

Most Bills fans are so clueless.

 

[buffalowing88]

Giving up major assets (plus undoubtedly more future cap space than he'll ever be worth) for a 31/32yo Davante Adams, when you're essentially already paying Stefon Diggs NOT TO PLAY FOR YOU is a whole new level stupid.

But i get it. He's a name people know & he plays WR - so obviously we have to have him?

Most Bills fans are so clueless.

There is nothing worse than the Bills blogger boy accounts on Twitter who re-post every rumor about any name guy maybe wanting to be traded and they just say "Do it, Beane!" above it.

Those people should be sent to a gulag.

 

[Jim Bob]

Giving up major assets (plus undoubtedly more future cap space than he'll ever be worth) for a 31/32yo Davante Adams, when you're essentially already paying Stefon Diggs NOT TO PLAY FOR YOU is a whole new level stupid.

But i get it. He's a name people know & he plays WR - so obviously we have to have him?

Most Bills fans are so clueless.

It's more than he's a name and plays WR. The passing offense has looked bad the past two weeks. And given that a high ankle sprain is usually a 2-4 week injury (and can linger long after that), you could be without Shakir, who has been WR1, for a while. And who knows what he will be like once he's back.

Add in that they have been targeting Mack Hollins more than Samuel (is he 100% healthy given the turf toe...) and MVS, and the passing game struggles might continue until the WR room gets an upgrade.

And Adams is the most talented WR that is rumored to be available. Plus, most fans don't know about the Raiders cash flow issues and how unlikely it is that they will make the money work for the Bills. The media won't talk about it a lot because it messes with the engagement they are getting from Bills fans.

If none of the WRs eat at a decent clip, the WR train hype will only get louder between now and the trade deadline.

 

[Dirty Dog]

It’s just not the year to make any big in season moves. We just retooled most of the roster, and my guess is by the end of the year most of the results will be extremely positive. Two weeks ago we were a top 3 team, and now we’re in a funk. We have a ton of off-season assets to improve them this year once we know what the holes really are. My biggest wish list is upgrading Hamlin, Samuel, and MVS.

 

[TageGod]

Amari cooper is an option maybe. How about Tyrell "actually got open on a quick route" Shavers?

Offense needs to fix its routes and schemes. Too predictable. Alec Andersson, Samuel, etc. packages give away the plays ahead of time as well.