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Buffalo Bills Week 5: Bills v. Steelers (Sun. 10/9, 1:00PM)

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Buffalo Norsemen said:
Jackson, Elam, Johnson, Rhodes sounds good to me this week.

Benford and Tre in a few weeks-month.

May still need a vet safety depending on how the 2 kids play.
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Rhodes has a hamstring issue. You're likely looking at Ingram being the first backup on the boundary again.
Rowley Birkin said:
To be honest they were very lucky to have so few injuries last season.

It always amazes me just how many players get hurt on a regular basis in the NFL. Always seens like most teams have key players / starters out every week.
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Year before, too. IIRC they were uncommonly healthy (at least until the playoffs) in their 13-3 season.
 
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misterchainsaw said:
Rhodes has a hamstring issue. You're likely looking at Ingram being the first backup on the boundary again.

Year before, too. IIRC they were uncommonly healthy (at least until the playoffs) in their 13-3 season.
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He was ok in zone Sunday.

Bates out of concussion protocol and excepted to play Sunday.

more Injury updates




Harbaugh on Tua
 
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Ravens have played with 3 receivers on the field 17% of the time so far this season. Get ready for lots of Ricard at fullback, run game, Mark Andrews, and play action.

Weather forecast is for light rain, 10-20mph winds, and 30 mph gusts.
 
Buffalo Norsemen said:
Ravens have played with 3 receivers on the field 17% of the time so far this season. Get ready for lots of Ricard at fullback, run game, Mark Andrews, and play action.

Weather forecast is for light rain, 10-20mph winds, and 30 mph gusts.
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If there ever was a time to go with 3 LB's....maybe Johnson plays a little outside?

Then again an extra DB might be a better option to contain Jackson than an LB....it will be interesting to see where they go.
 
Buffalo Norsemen said:
He was ok in zone Sunday.

Bates out of concussion protocol and excepted to play Sunday.

more Injury updates




Harbaugh on Tua
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I remember talking to a coworker regarding Tua, and if he thought he'd become a great QB. His main concern with him was his health. Tua isn't a very big guy, and he takes some SHOTS because he can get caught holding the ball too long and doesn't seem to protect himself well. Last night- it felt like he held that ball for eternity when he got injured.

As for the Thursday night game- I still don't view either of the Dolphins or Bengals as contenders. The Bengals O line is going to continue to cause massive amounts of issues for Burrow and that O. Their defense played tough, though.

The Dolphins defense isn't as bad they portrayed against the Ravens, but the Bengals trash o line makes it easier on defenses. Miami's offense is cooling off and coming back to the reality that they'll struggle to sustain long drives and put up multiple TDs in a half. Tua was on the money early on, but then started sputtering a bit after that INT. If you can get him rolling out, then you're in good shape because he lacks the zip on his passes when rolling out. The Dolphins are very, very lucky to be 3-1 right now.

Taro Tsujimoto said:


Davis, Jackson, Morse, Oliver, Poyer all questionable.
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The reports on them have been pretty optimistic lately. We need all the reinforcements we can get going against Lamar; that man is on fiyahhhh lately!
 
Taro Tsujimoto said:
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Holy cow is that ever an injury report. Usually we are prisoners of the moment however I can't recall seeing a list that long. Technically three are vet rest so 13 injured on what, a 55 player roster so 13/55 = 23.6%. Hyde, Doyle and White on IR although hopefully White will be returning soon. Still better for it to happen now than January/February as long as the team is eventually as healthy as it can be after a 17 game season.

At least some players are staying loose

 
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brian_griffin said:
You folks are missing the point (said politely). If there's an incident where a player enters the protocol, the player cannot attest they are fine and have that considered with any weight. That's why they have the protocol. It's analogous to my workplace, and hopefully your workplace / any workplace. If I have an incident, in particular one where I collapse, and especially one with apparent cause, and it's noticed by my colleagues, there is an obligation to remove me from work for evaluation by plant nurse / first responders, (and most likely transported off site for professional evaluation, but in the Tua instance those professionals are on site at the stadium). I cannot assert I am fine and return to work. One can argue it's an employer liability thing just as much as it is a benevolent desire for the medical health of the employee - which is fine to argue - but it doesn't change the substance nor the validity of the protocol.

And as for lawsuit, your take is likely incorrect. If Tua claimed (Sunday) he was okay, that does not remove the obligation from the other party (team, doctors, 3rd party spotters and doctors) to prevent him from doing more damage to himself. To my point in paragraph above, the same is true. Even if my colleagues believe me, the standard they are required to hold is to err on side of caution and not allow me to return to my job that shift.

"Not enough time for proper evaluation" & "heat of the moment" doesn't fly either. You either take the time for a proper evaluation, or you don't let him play until a proper evaluation is done. Once entering the protocol, the error must always be Alpha risk (refusing to let a healthy player play) vs. Beta risk (unknowingly letting an injured player play).

Same with claiming "back injury". If he entered the concussion protocol, even if he claims it was his back - and even if it WAS his back - the stance must be to definitively rule out his head. There is a logical difference / nuance.


exactly

As with most outrage over "bad things that happen" in life, the issue is rarely to pass more stringent protocols / laws and rather to properly enforce the ones that exist. (Mine is a philosophical position on all facets of life. I'm not supporting the NFL, Dolphins, etc. I'm fine with more stringent protocols / laws, but only if it is irrefutably clear the existing were correctly enforced, which we will likely either never know in the Tua case, or we won't know the truth.)
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Quoting myself above / previous page.

Additional discussion on "Get Up" was about active and former players knowingly giving "low-bar" responses on a baseline test which would be easy to recall / answer during a protocol test which then increases the probability the player will be cleared to play. i.e., gaming the system. That's dangerous.
 
Buffalo Norsemen said:
Jackson, Elam, Johnson, Rhodes sounds good to me this week.

Benford and Tre in a few weeks-month.

May still need a vet safety depending on how the 2 kids play.
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Rhodes has a hammy injury and will likely miss this game. Makes is, stay ready so you don't have to get ready statement a little hollow
 
Dubi Doo said:
Wow. I think we can let the O line playing like trash last week slide:
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Surprised this isn't getting more attention. We get on the Dolphins case for their handling of Tua...but isn't letting a guy keep playing on a torn ACL essentially a similar situation, in that you know he shouldn't be playing but you're doing it anyways because you're trying to win a game?
 
New Sabres Captain said:
Surprised this isn't getting more attention. We get on the Dolphins case for their handling of Tua...but isn't letting a guy keep playing on a torn ACL essentially a similar situation, in that you know he shouldn't be playing but you're doing it anyways because you're trying to win a game?
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I just went through ESPN’s play by play report for the game and unless I missed it I don’t see him on any play being listed as injured on the play. So it is possible it wasn’t known during the game.
 
New Sabres Captain said:
Surprised this isn't getting more attention. We get on the Dolphins case for their handling of Tua...but isn't letting a guy keep playing on a torn ACL essentially a similar situation, in that you know he shouldn't be playing but you're doing it anyways because you're trying to win a game?
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Not at all. We have special precautions for head injuries for a very obvious reason.

And also, there is playing through the pain during an nfl game. No one is trying to take that away. So someone may push through leg or rib or calf or hand injuries when they don’t know the severity of an injury. It’s unfortunate for sure. But if someone (think Terrell owens) wants to play through leg injuries, there is a gray area we are have to be okay with. BUT you can’t have that gray area with head injuries and you CANNOT leave that up to players and coaches

it is a far cry from ignoring potential brain injuries
 
I know Bill's mafia are very giving fans. Here is a very deserving alternative to Tua's foundation imho. This is the phd and organization that called the double concussion possibility and problems with Tua before they happened. Please share.

 
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what does this even mean "unaffiliated". Sounds like PR speak by the PA and the league to distance themselves from this guy. If he's hired by the league to check the players for concussions that sure sounds like he's affiliated with the league to me.
 
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sabresfan129103 said:


what does this even mean "unaffiliated". Sounds by PR speak by the PA and the league to distance themselves from this guy. If he hired by the league to check the players for concussions that sure sounds like he's affiliated with the league to me.
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From my understanding the unaffiliated doctors that are assigned to the game are paid by the league versus a team and are unaffiliated with a specific team. Also, my understanding is the unaffiliated means that they are not associated with the teams playing, can override team doctors and are only there to evaluate head injuries and because they are not associated with any given team, they aren't supposed to be influenced by the team/player or their desire to have said player/themselves back into the game. I'd imagine there were "mistakes" made in the evaluation as well as the "not supposed to be influenced" part as well.

Also.... unrelated but from the game:

 
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