Buffalo Bills Week 15: New England (3-11) at Buffalo (11-3), 12/22, 4:25 PM (flexed), CBS

[misterchainsaw]

I don’t understand what the logic is behind a coach is good enough to get to the final four playoff teams, but not won a Super Bowl. We lost by 3 points to the chiefs while decimated on defense by injuries. Two years before, we lost in overtime to the chiefs. We were in the AFC championship the year before. What is the reasoning/argument that a coach is good enough to do that, but not win a superbowl. It seems like an entirely results driven argument.

Part two of the question is what did Andy Reid change or do differently to become good enough after not being good enough for all those years

And, further, the offense had the ball with a chance to clinch the game last year and unfortunately didn't come through then Bass shanked his kick.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

This speaks more to the shitty sunday schedule.

Read Netflix also paid 75M ea for the Christmas day game rights. Insane.

 

[misterchainsaw]

Are we sure we want Allen to win MVP?

Since 2000, ONE player has won MVP and the super bowl in the same season. (Mahomes in 2022). Brady never did it, Manning never did it, Rodgers never did it - they all won their championships in non-MVP years. Which really just goes to show what a crap shoot the NFL playoffs are, since you know the MVP is on a high seed every year.

 

[HaNotsri]

Are we sure we want Allen to win MVP?

Since 2000, ONE player has won MVP and the super bowl in the same season. (Mahomes in 2022). Brady never did it, Manning never did it, Rodgers never did it - they all won their championships in non-MVP years. Which really just goes to show what a crap shoot the NFL playoffs are, since you know the MVP is on a high seed every year.

It will have zero impact on our super bowl chances but if Allen wins the double it will be more epic.

 

[zenthusiast]

I don’t understand what the logic is behind a coach is good enough to get to the final four playoff teams, but not won a Super Bowl. We lost by 3 points to the chiefs while decimated on defense by injuries. Two years before, we lost in overtime to the chiefs. We were in the AFC championship the year before. What is the reasoning/argument that a coach is good enough to do that, but not win a superbowl. It seems like an entirely results driven argument.

Part two of the question is what did Andy Reid change or do differently to become good enough after not being good enough for all those years

The logic is partially that margins get thinner against better teams, so mistakes are more costly, but also that in order to win a championship, you’ve got to go four games against the best of the best while both playing at a caliber high enough to beat the opponent *and* not having said gaffes.

This team made it to the afc championship once in the current five year stretch of making the playoffs and were outclassed. Yeah, it’s nice to get there, but it’s one time and they weren’t competitive.

With that said, Allen has reached an even higher level than I thought. He could probably win a championship with anyone who doesn’t actively harm him on a regular basis, but I would like the bills to maximize his chances

 

[misterchainsaw]

It will have zero impact on our super bowl chances but if Allen wins the double it will be more epic.

Obviously I'm being a little facetious with that. But it is kind of a crazy run.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Barnwell tweeted that Josh is handling pressure right now better than any QB in 15 years. The line deserves credit as well.

 

[HaNotsri]

Barnwell tweeted that Josh is handling pressure right now better than any QB in 15 years. The line deserves credit as well.

The benefit of running for your life for three years

 

[tsujimoto74]

I don’t understand what the logic is behind a coach is good enough to get to the final four playoff teams, but not won a Super Bowl. We lost by 3 points to the chiefs while decimated on defense by injuries. Two years before, we lost in overtime to the chiefs. We were in the AFC championship the year before. What is the reasoning/argument that a coach is good enough to do that, but not win a superbowl. It seems like an entirely results driven argument.

Part two of the question is what did Andy Reid change or do differently to become good enough after not being good enough for all those years

The results are pretty important there, especially looking at the OT game, which was 100% lost by pisspoor special teams and defensive decisions in the late-game coaching.

The margin for error in the post-season is small. The teams that get there (especially the later rounds) are talented and well-coached. We need McD to be 100% composed and making the right decisions in those high-leverage moments.

 

[SwordsgoneWild]

Read Netflix also paid 75M ea for the Christmas day game rights. Insane.

They better pray that they have fixed their streaming performance for this. That Tyson-Paul stream was a chore to sit through. My broadcast crashed so many times. The amount of times that the quality dipped was insane. I felt like I was watching a bootleg stream .

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Barnwell tweeted that Josh is handling pressure right now better than any QB in 15 years. The line deserves credit as well.

"Leaguewide, passers have collectively posted a 67.3 QBR without pressure and a 32.8 QBR under duress this season, with their performance dropping off by 34.5 points of QBR. (Remember that Total QBR includes both sacks and scrambles.)

Allen, somehow, has been better under pressure than he has without it. He has posted a staggering 89.1 QBR under pressure; just two other starting quarterbacks have posted a QBR better than 62 against pressure, and neither is within 16 points of Allen. He's averaging 7.8 yards per attempt and has thrown 10 touchdown passes without a single interception against pressure. Some quarterbacks can't do that against air."

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Dubi Doo]

"Leaguewide, passers have collectively posted a 67.3 QBR without pressure and a 32.8 QBR under duress this season, with their performance dropping off by 34.5 points of QBR. (Remember that Total QBR includes both sacks and scrambles.)

Allen, somehow, has been better under pressure than he has without it. He has posted a staggering 89.1 QBR under pressure; just two other starting quarterbacks have posted a QBR better than 62 against pressure, and neither is within 16 points of Allen. He's averaging 7.8 yards per attempt and has thrown 10 touchdown passes without a single interception against pressure. Some quarterbacks can't do that against air."

His patience while rolling out is insane. That throw to Johnson where he rolled right, tip toed the outbounds line, took a few steps back in, and lobbed a pass where only Johnson could get it was insane. He always has his eyes down field, and is a menace to take down. I still think he may have the highest ceiling if any QB in the league. Man, we hit the jackpot with him. And to think, I called my wife from the bar complaining we took the wrong Josh when he was drafted.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

His patience while rolling out is insane. That throw to Johnson where he rolled right, tip toed the outbounds line, took a few steps back in, and lobbed a pass where only Johnson could get it was insane. He always has his eyes down field, and is a menace to take down. I still think he may have the highest ceiling if any QB in the league. Man, we hit the jackpot with him. And to think, I called my wife from the bar complaining we took the wrong Josh when he was drafted.

His game has really grown in so many areas beyond what I ever thought he'd become. I've never been so happy to be dead wrong about a player.

 

[K8fool]

The good thing is that most of the issues for the DBs, outside of the Douglas injury, should be short term stuff.

And even with Milano going down with the groin, the bigger issue might be how healthy is Dorian Williams.

At least Ed Oliver showed up yesterday.

we'll need Milano in the post season and w a seasoned Dorian , awesome I'm betting milano works his ass of to win that and include Dorian but I don't know either than sheer will on the field


another sanity and insanity postrs from TBD

Bad Things​

Posted 26 minutes ago

2 hours ago, BuffaloBaumer said:
...just shows that this idiotic staff will NEVER EVER learn from mistakes in the past.

Mate, we're 11-3.

I can't believe how many negative (idiotic) fans we have now.
Like spoiled children.

His patience while rolling out is insane. That throw to Johnson where he rolled right, tip toed the outbounds line, took a few steps back in, and lobbed a pass where only Johnson could get it was insane. He always has his eyes down field, and is a menace to take down. I still think he may have the highest ceiling if any QB in the league. Man, we hit the jackpot with him. And to think, I called my wife from the bar complaining we took the wrong Josh when he was drafted.

too lazy to find post from 26corner that above is response too wow

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Joe Marino hosts one of the best Bills podcasts around.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

I think there's a very real chance Buffalo's week 18 game against the Patriots also gets flexed...to Saturday.

They have to move two games to Saturday (and one to SNF--Seahawks/Rams has to be the clubhouse leader for that, possibly Vikings/Lions, though it's possible that game will be best played at same time as Philly), and ideally you'd like to move games to Saturday that are important but by themselves can't clinch anything. I don't think that will be the case for any week 18 game right now, though perhaps the Philly game would count if the Lions/Vikings is still for the North.

So if the 1 seed is off the table, moving the Bills could make sense, but even if it's still possible, they may bank on the Bills probably winning to keep the Chiefs game important, plus the allure of showcasing Josh Allen again. (Or they could just put Chiefs/Broncos as two playoff teams, and possibly render the Bills game completely meaningless).

 

[Jim Bob]

Detroit had a really rough day yesterday.

 

[Zman5778]

Detroit had a really rough day yesterday.

As much as I'd love to see it, I just don't see how they overcome all these injuries to make the Super Bowl.

 

[SharkInABoloTie]

I don’t understand what the logic is behind a coach is good enough to get to the final four playoff teams, but not won a Super Bowl. We lost by 3 points to the chiefs while decimated on defense by injuries. Two years before, we lost in overtime to the chiefs. We were in the AFC championship the year before. What is the reasoning/argument that a coach is good enough to do that, but not win a superbowl. It seems like an entirely results driven argument.

Part two of the question is what did Andy Reid change or do differently to become good enough after not being good enough for all those years

A results driven argument? Professional sports are a results driven business. And in the playoffs, this team, namely this defense, gets walked by teams with great QBs. KC and Cincy have come in and made our defense look pathetic, and if Allen hasn't been able to dominate just to catch up, its a slaughter. McD has beaten team quarterbacked by an old Phillip Rivers, Mac Jones, Skylar Thompson, and Mason Rudolph. I could list a young Lamar Jackson here, but without the crazy pick 6 from Taron, it's just as likely that the Ravens tie the game there. And who knows how that game goes. Facing Lamar this year will not be anything like 2021.

The results show, McDermott and his defense can't beat a high end QB when the pressure is up. I'll be happy to eat crow if that changes this post season. But if it doesn't, and they falter again against a great QB, I'll be ready to grab the pitchfork.

 

[Dirty Dog]

The logic is partially that margins get thinner against better teams, so mistakes are more costly, but also that in order to win a championship, you’ve got to go four games against the best of the best while both playing at a caliber high enough to beat the opponent *and* not having said gaffes.

This team made it to the afc championship once in the current five year stretch of making the playoffs and were outclassed. Yeah, it’s nice to get there, but it’s one time and they weren’t competitive.

With that said, Allen has reached an even higher level than I thought. He could probably win a championship with anyone who doesn’t actively harm him on a regular basis, but I would like the bills to maximize his chances

The results are pretty important there, especially looking at the OT game, which was 100% lost by pisspoor special teams and defensive decisions in the late-game coaching.

The margin for error in the post-season is small. The teams that get there (especially the later rounds) are talented and well-coached. We need McD to be 100% composed and making the right decisions in those high-leverage moments.

The margins to win any game is small. I don’t understand the argument that it is any smaller in the postseason other than you are playing exclusively good teams. But the bills have been highly successful the last five years against good teams, it’s not like the Bills look any different in the playoffs.

You all really don’t think McDermott has the coaching ability to beat KC last year where we lost by three points where our defense was decimated. If you don’t think he is good enough to win that game, why not for that game. If you do think he is good enough to win that game, why don’t you think is good enough to win the last two games after being good enough to beat KC?

 

[Dirty Dog]

A results driven argument? Professional sports are a results driven business. And in the playoffs, this team, namely this defense, gets walked by teams with great QBs. KC and Cincy have come in and made our defense look pathetic, and if Allen hasn't been able to dominate just to catch up, its a slaughter. McD has beaten team quarterbacked by an old Phillip Rivers, Mac Jones, Skylar Thompson, and Mason Rudolph. I could list a young Lamar Jackson here, but without the crazy pick 6 from Taron, it's just as likely that the Ravens tie the game there. And who knows how that game goes. Facing Lamar this year will not be anything like 2021.

The results show, McDermott and his defense can't beat a high end QB when the pressure is up. I'll be happy to eat crow if that changes this post season. But if it doesn't, and they falter again against a great QB, I'll be ready to grab the pitchfork.

Last year, they gave up 27 points to the chiefs while being decimated in injuries. That wasn’t good enough? Please explain why that wasn’t good enough.

The time before with the chiefs, BOTH quarterbacks put on a clinic and had their will imposed in the fourth quarter. It literally came down to a coin flip in overtime. How was the KC defense any better? People don’t think Allen is getting into field goal range in that game in 13 seconds, he was. It was all time performances by two generational quarterbacks.

And the bengals game? The whole team played like crap. Starting with Allen. I’m not putting that up on McDermott?


And a results driven league? The bills HAVE results. They win at an incredible rate. If the result is purely winning a Super Bowl over a short time period, then that is an absurd standard that ignores how difficult it is to win a Super Bowl and how many things have to go your way to do it in the playoffs.


(Also, that ravens game is the last game you want bring up about the defense not being good enough)

 

[buffa dud]

Are we sure we want Allen to win MVP?

Since 2000, ONE player has won MVP and the super bowl in the same season. (Mahomes in 2022). Brady never did it, Manning never did it, Rodgers never did it - they all won their championships in non-MVP years. Which really just goes to show what a crap shoot the NFL playoffs are, since you know the MVP is on a high seed every year.

I have learned one thing about Josh: take whatever you've ever known, write it down on a piece of paper and promptly burn it. Then take those ashes, soak them in gas, and burn them again.

 

[Dirty Dog]

And to be clear, the billls have been contenders for four years before this. That’s seriously the sample size of: if you haven’t gotten the results, then I don’t think you have it in you? And the team that beat us three of those four years, was the chiefs—a team that is in its dynasty (coached by someone many of you would have fired three of four times over by your points).

Nope, not ready to move on from a head coach that so clearly has what it takes to win in the NFL—based on the fact he wins so much in the NFL. Which is already rare.

 

[SharkInABoloTie]

Last year, they gave up 27 points to the chiefs while being decimated in injuries. That wasn’t good enough? Please explain why that wasn’t good enough.

The time before with the chiefs, BOTH quarterbacks put on a clinic and had their will imposed in the fourth quarter. It literally came down to a coin flip in overtime. How was the KC defense any better? People don’t think Allen is getting into field goal range in that game in 13 seconds, he was. It was all time performances by two generational quarterbacks.

And the bengals game? The whole team played like crap. Starting with Allen. I’m not putting that up on McDermott?


And a results driven league? The bills HAVE results. They win at an incredible rate. If the result is purely winning a Super Bowl over a short time period, then that is an absurd standard that ignores how difficult it is to win a Super Bowl and how many things have to go your way to do it in the playoffs.


(Also, that ravens game is the last game you want bring up about the defense not being good enough)

You danced around my point. As head coach, McDermott has not defeated a team with a high end quarterback in the playoffs. His teams consistently roll over and die when facing them. His job is to win games, including in the playoffs. Being .500 in the postseaon is not what I would call winning at an incredible rate and I don't see the logic in maligning those fans for having an expectation of postseason success. A win in the wild card round and then bowing out is not success. Should I congratulate him for squeaking out wins against a Dolphins team playing their 3rd QB? Or against a brink of retirement Rivers? How about the Steelers 2nd string QB? You know what, since you mentioned it, Bravo to Sean for beating the choke artist Ravens on an incredible play by Taron. You sure showed everyone when you followed that up with an incredible ass kicking by the Chiefs.

Prove me wrong.