I’m a believer of Dorian Williams. But at this point in his career, that was a type of game you want him nowhere near the defense
Buffalo Bills Week 15: Buffalo (10-3) at Detroit (12-1), 12/15, 4:25 PM, CBS
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I’m a believer of Dorian Williams. But at this point in his career, that was a type of game you want him nowhere near the defense
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I'm sure they talked to him about Milano needing reps to get up to speed, it will be interesting to see how they end up deploying them both going forward.
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I not buying it until I see proof
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Awesome game to go to. Tough morning waking up at 630 to bring my son to school, but well worth it!
Honestly, this really felt like the mirror to the Ravens/Bills games where one teams strengths lined up to the others deficiencies, one team was just banged up. Combine it with bad weather and bad bounces for SF, just became a blowout. The CMC injury just deflated the san francisco team that was already crippled with injuries.
Overall, I don't think anyone can complain about a clean game with no injuries though for the Bills though. Winning the AFC East this early is just a cherry on top. Glad to see Josh got to improve his MVP candidate resume though.
Overall, I don't think anyone can complain about a clean game with no injuries though for the Bills though. Winning the AFC East this early is just a cherry on top. Glad to see Josh got to improve his MVP candidate resume though.
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Since we played the 9ers, are we putting Trey Lance as the biggest QB bust over JaMarcus Russell?
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Honestly embarrassing. Bet if you swapped Allen with Burrow the media would've heavily favoured Buffalo for the AFC East again.
Man, that compilation is crazy. No matter how much I ride NHL commentators and pundits, the guys that cover NFL and NBA are like cancer in comparison.
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That's so hard to say. Lance can't get on the field, largely for reasons out of his control. He got hurt, then Brock pretty literally stole the job out from under him.......then Trey got traded to Dallas, who has a legitimate starting QB who borders on franchise-level.
Lance was also a 3rd overall pick. Russell was a 1st overall pick that actively hurt his team often. At least Lance doesn't actively hurt his team.
So I'd lean towards Russell still being the bigger QB bust.
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Media: Despite Buffalo winning the division 4 years in a row, we think Miami/NY Jets will win the division.
Also the Media: We can't rank Buffalo ahead of KC despite Buffalo beating them this year, because Buffalo hasn't beat KC in the playoffs in years past.
To be fair to Trey Lance, he hasn't had a much of a chance, though him not getting a shot for the cowboys kinda shows where he is.
The issue for SF is they basically killed their championship window with that trade. 3 1st rounders gone is pretty debilitating long term. And I think we're seeing that now where they had to sign aging stars instead of cycling youth in.
I don’t think people realize how good and deep this roster is. A lot of us here were saying it before the season.
And that should be scary for the rest of the NFL. They have a lot of draft capital this year, and really corrected our cap situation
QB - We have Allen and Trubisky locked up. Might be the year to draft a backup QB in the 3rd or 4th to develop
RB - Cook and Davis still under contract and are great 1-2 punch. Ty Johnson is free agent, really want to bring him back. This trio is deadly
WR - Shakir, Samuel, Coleman are all locked up. Samuel can stay, though a possible cap casualty. Hollin is free agent and should be an easy re-sign. Cooper is a free agent and having a player like him is critical to free up the middle of the field. Really need to bring him back, or his replacement becomes priority number one.
TE - Kincaid and Knox are a great duo. Morris is good/fine, but a free agent and a possible player to replace.
OL - All five starters are locked up next year. Already a lot of interesting young depth, but enough room to add in a quality draftee.
So on offense, our notable FAs are Cooper, Hollins, and Ty Johnson.
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DE - Epenesa, Groot, Solomon locked up. Von is still under contract and someone will have to explain the contract situation with him to me. But this group could use a blue chip player.
DT - Oliver, DaQuan, and Carter all locked up. Losing some depth guys, but this group would really really benefit from a big addition.
LBs - Milano, Williams, Bernard, and Spector all under contract.
CBs - Benford, Taron Johnson, Elam, Ingram, and Lewis all under contract. Rasul is the big free agent on defense. As the number 2 guy and older, I’d only bring him back on a good deal unfortunately. Can’t be paying big money to a number two CB on a team.
Ss - Rapp and Bishop under contract. Hamlin is a free agent. Need some players added here, but Rapp has been great, and the other spot depends on what the team thinks of Bishop. Hamlin is about as average as they come, and I think the worst starter on the team
So notable free agents on defense are Douglas, Hamlin, and some depth guys in the front seven.
This team is poised to be much better next year, as they contemplate their 2026 free agent class of McGovern, Groot, Epenesa, Shakir, Edwards, Cook, Bernard, Benford. They will have to start working on extensions this year on them. My priority is Shakir, Groot, and Benford. Cook is likely gone at the end of contract. Bernard depends on his health. And McGovern, Epenesa, and Edwards are definite maybes
And that should be scary for the rest of the NFL. They have a lot of draft capital this year, and really corrected our cap situation
QB - We have Allen and Trubisky locked up. Might be the year to draft a backup QB in the 3rd or 4th to develop
RB - Cook and Davis still under contract and are great 1-2 punch. Ty Johnson is free agent, really want to bring him back. This trio is deadly
WR - Shakir, Samuel, Coleman are all locked up. Samuel can stay, though a possible cap casualty. Hollin is free agent and should be an easy re-sign. Cooper is a free agent and having a player like him is critical to free up the middle of the field. Really need to bring him back, or his replacement becomes priority number one.
TE - Kincaid and Knox are a great duo. Morris is good/fine, but a free agent and a possible player to replace.
OL - All five starters are locked up next year. Already a lot of interesting young depth, but enough room to add in a quality draftee.
So on offense, our notable FAs are Cooper, Hollins, and Ty Johnson.
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DE - Epenesa, Groot, Solomon locked up. Von is still under contract and someone will have to explain the contract situation with him to me. But this group could use a blue chip player.
DT - Oliver, DaQuan, and Carter all locked up. Losing some depth guys, but this group would really really benefit from a big addition.
LBs - Milano, Williams, Bernard, and Spector all under contract.
CBs - Benford, Taron Johnson, Elam, Ingram, and Lewis all under contract. Rasul is the big free agent on defense. As the number 2 guy and older, I’d only bring him back on a good deal unfortunately. Can’t be paying big money to a number two CB on a team.
Ss - Rapp and Bishop under contract. Hamlin is a free agent. Need some players added here, but Rapp has been great, and the other spot depends on what the team thinks of Bishop. Hamlin is about as average as they come, and I think the worst starter on the team
So notable free agents on defense are Douglas, Hamlin, and some depth guys in the front seven.
This team is poised to be much better next year, as they contemplate their 2026 free agent class of McGovern, Groot, Epenesa, Shakir, Edwards, Cook, Bernard, Benford. They will have to start working on extensions this year on them. My priority is Shakir, Groot, and Benford. Cook is likely gone at the end of contract. Bernard depends on his health. And McGovern, Epenesa, and Edwards are definite maybes
I mean, I don't think getting mad at the media putting out hot takes is really something to get mad about at this point. Sports media, ESPECIALLY the NFL, is a week to week league that is highly ratings/clicks driven. Most weeks, you have the majority of games played on Sunday with six days until that huge chunk of games again.
So you have to fill 5 days of content based on that sunday slate of games and reaction to it and the previewing of next week. And you also have what, 7 months from the superbowl until the season starts again. And then these NFL Centric shows have 7 months of content to fill with no games to go on.
And there is very much a hive mind/group thought mentality that happens where the media is just reacting to what other media have said because they are starved for actual content. And if you try to make thoughtful, thought provoking content, you'll likely lose sponsors because the eyeballs goes to the artificially generated controversy.
Getting upset that the sport medias groupthink bubble was disconnected with reality is weird. Just realize that the people on any sports radio/TV show are just trying to generate content that will give them clicks/eyeballs. They can be wrong as much as they want as long as people keep watching. There's no points for accuracy, only eyeballs.
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I think my frustration was that it felt like an oddly unanimous decision that the Bills wouldn't win the division (and possibly not even make the playoffs). I'm sure there were some in the media who picked the Bills but it couldn't have been many and I can't remember who. Heck given the amount of Jets/Dolphins picks you could argue the true hot take would've been picking the Bills to repeat ...
Also, it feels like the the opinion was very largely influenced by the Diggs departure (and his attitude and comments).
So for a lot of the "experts" it looks like they took one piece of info and just blew up from there.
Just really irritated me more this year than in seasons past.
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Yup, and suddenly, those contracts like Von and Diggs that were supposed to be detrimental to us are largely inconsequential because we have an elite QB. I don't think anyone should fear Beane making big moves anymore. We need to maximize our chances at a SB when we have the space. Just have to hope a move like Von works out better, though he has looked pretty good this year atleast.
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Buffalo Bills 2025 NFL Mock Draft: Defense in Rounds 1 and 2
The Bills handed the Kansas City Chiefs their first loss in Week 11 and look to have their best shot yet at knocking them off the top of the AFC ladder.
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PFF still gives the Bills the 3rd they traded away for Cooper.Early pff 4 round mock. Like the general idea of DL, LB, WR. I would add corner as well.
Buffalo Bills 2025 NFL Mock Draft: Defense in Rounds 1 and 2
The Bills handed the Kansas City Chiefs their first loss in Week 11 and look to have their best shot yet at knocking them off the top of the AFC ladder.
And I take Tyleik Williams over Sanders.
Lots of people called for the Bills downfall, and it seemed to center on Allen not having receivers. I get trading for Cooper, but he's been hurt a few games, so it's not as if he's been the driver of success. It's been Allen, the run game, possession and YAC passing on offense. But a team without a name or high-profile receiver always gets bad press.
I'm way more worried about DT than WR. I also rank CB and DE ahead of WR in terms of needs. This season should show us all that you really don't need that ultra-high end WR1 for Allen to be successful.
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Von is starting to make an argument to not get cut in the offseason.
We're certainly NOT cutting him pre-6/1 as his cap hit would largely be the same in 2025, though we'd be free and clear. If we designate him as a post-6/1 cut, we'd save $17M on the 2025 cap.....but we wouldn't be able to actually use any of that money until after 6/1 which is problematic for free agency
If we wait until the offseason of 2026, which would give us that immediate $17M Cap space.
That is assuming he is still an effective situational pass rusher.
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I'm surprised more teams don't build their offense around this. It must be a lot harder than it sounds. Brady and the Pats made a 20+ dynasty basically doing this. They had guys like Gronk, Edelman and Welker who were monsters with yards after the catch. Yes, Brady did throw deep balls, but it seemed the bread and butter of those offenses were get to guys 4 to 6 yards down the field and let them run for another 8-10. It was unstoppable.
It’s not that you need an ultra high end WR1. You don’t even need a number one. I agree. But Cooper isn’t playing a number one role for us, certainly not a high end one. But I think a boundary WR that defenses respect (and just a deep guy) is something our WR group was missing before Copper, and his addition has been a big help
Resigning Cooper is important, or getting his replacement. Otherwise, DT is my biggest need.
CB is certainly a big need if Douglas walks, but I think this team can fill that hole without a major investment in the position.
For me it is:
1) WR (if Copper is not brought back)
2) DT
3) DE
4) OL (honestly anywhere, keep adding to the group with real talent)
5) CB
