Buffalo Bills Week 15: Buffalo (10-3) at Detroit (12-1), 12/15, 4:25 PM, CBS

[Jim Bob]

Remember when Kelly called his own plays ?

A lot of things have changed in the NFL since then.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

A lot of things have changed in the NFL since then.

We have the interweb now

 

[Djp]

Alright. Time for a Fantasy Football whine.

QB: Joe Burrow (Jordan Love today)
RBs: Saquon Barkley, James Cook
WRs: Justin Jefferson, Deebo
TE: Kittle
FLEX: Davante Adams/Rhamondre Stevenson/TJ Hockenson
K: Boswell
D/ST: Varies

I've scored the 2nd most points in my league. I'm about to go 5-7.

The last 2 weeks I've lost to the team that has scored the most points for the week....and have the 2nd most points for the week.

Infuriating.

Ah the memories.....

I had that years ago. Ba very good toster but end up playing trams ehos players had carerr games or outlier games like you know an oppo sd ing receiver regularly gets 60y and a TD but he puts up 150+ and 3TDs

 

[Der Jaeger]

A lot of things have changed in the NFL since then.

This topic is fascinating to me and I wish an in depth podcast was done on the subject.

In the off-season, Brady said that he thought NFL coordinators were dumbing NFL offenses down to allow college QBs to come in and contribute faster. I agree with him. Take a look back at how long it took for past QBs to contribute and become elite. Look up Dan Fouts, Warren Moon, Steve Young, etc. None of them were good right away. A case could be made that the Steelers won their first Super Bowl in spite of Terry Bradshaw.

While defenses are more complex now (mixing of systems), all 4 offensive systems were fully developed by the time Jim Kelly was calling his own plays. The development after Kelly was the mixing of systems.

A strong case could be made that Kelly was among the fastest accurate decision makers of all time. He ran a run'and'shoot offense, which is just a sight adjustment offense. He made some of the quickest pre- and post-snap reads I've ever witnessed.

I think QBs like Kelly, Aikman, Elway, Marino, Montana, Young, Favre, etc. could come into today's NFL and be elite right away with how the reads have been simplified and modified to look like the college game. Of course, aside from Elway and Young, none of those guys could move like today's QBs. But I think the play calling may have been more advanced and the reads more difficult in past versions of the NFL.

It's worth a really good podcast with maybe Belichick (to talk defenses), Brady, Elway, Marino, and some offensive play callers from the time like Holmgren and Gruden.

 

[Dubi Doo]

You take the deal and RUN. Hopkins looks like he's coming along with Mahomes and Jeudy seems to be getting chemistry with Jameis. You've got NOTHING at backup RB.

Yeah, get the RB depth down the stretch for sure. @Dubi Doo

Welp. That trade may actually tank my season. Robinson, of course, got injured as soon as I tuned into the game yesterday in the 1st Q. Traded McConkey, obviously, but was thinking of trading Downs instead who is now likely to miss multiple weeks with a shoulder injury.

So, in the span of this week, my WR depth took a big hit (McConkey and Downs gone), and my big name addition that was supposed to provide RB depth may be out multiple weeks, too. Just in time for the playoffs in a couple of weeks.

Geez. That's the nature of the game I suppose

 

[Panthaz89]

Yep, with Purdy, Kittle, McCaffery, Bosa all playing they're a very different team. And even with all the injuries they're a very unlucky 5-7 - they were 6th in overall dVOA entering the week. No doubt they'll be a dangerous team if it's not Brandon Allen at QB.

They are not unlucky to be 5-7 they got straight up blown out like they didn't even belong against the Packers. Bosa is good but look at Detroit without Hutchinson they are still world beaters.

 

[misterchainsaw]

They are not unlucky to be 5-7 they got straight up blown out like they didn't even belong against the Packers. Bosa is good but look at Detroit without Hutchinson they are still world beaters.

That's one loss. They've had several games where they've outgained opponents and outplayed them on a play to play basis and still lost at the very end. And they've been dealing with injuries literally all year. Take the QB off our roster and Green Bay probably blows us out too.

 

[Panthaz89]

That's one loss. They've had several games where they've outgained opponents and outplayed them on a play to play basis and still lost at the very end. And they've been dealing with injuries literally all year. Take the QB off our roster and Green Bay probably blows us out too.

Taking the QB off the roster is not the same as the best defensive player and the Bills are already missing one of their best defensive players and lead the league in turnovers and have a respectable PPG on D.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[misterchainsaw]

Taking the QB off the roster is not the same as the best defensive player and the Bills are already missing one of their best defensive players and lead the league in turnovers and have a respectable PPG on D.

First of all, this is irrelevant unless your suggesting that losing your best defensive player is worse than losing your QB. San Fran has at various times lost their starting all-pro RB, all-pro TE, strong #2 WR, HOF lineman, and best defensive player, often at the same time. But losing Purdy (QB1) was the final straw that brought the whole thing tumbling down for them this week. All of them are expected to play against us except Aiyuk, AFAIK.

Second of all, Bosa is on another tier to Milano, as important as he is to our defense. And yes, the Bills have survived a series of injuries, though our OL and QB1 has thankfully stayed healthy (or healthy enough to play) so far (knock on wood)

 

[Der Jaeger]

I would've given the Browns 2 x 1sts and some more to make this happen.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[zenthusiast]

It’ll be a nice complement to him being the most overrated while winning mvp

 

[K8fool]

Vivat Civitas Vaticana

please elaborate more for myself and the yutes out there, on coins as well as I paste googly eyes on myself after I'm dried out from American tower company , microwaved sanitised w the Latin seal of the tres popes and an an order even those who claim to know , know little is the scapegoat cannibal state created in 47 the real hand up all aszes or they are just the puppets billionairos of westeros that got the spice mining contract that people here actually think all this is fiction til it interferes w their sports being manipulated who cares that little Johnny down the street is on a milk carton of became sick of his bored parents religious freedom infringing on his personal space and brought Maxwell's silver hammer down on his betrayers at home . It's all so sad as we're all really lil children led astray and doing what were told w the military model taught to kill without ever questioning why as all countries never at war just a charade to kill the young that may usurp , that won't take the bribe of sports , or others in excellence redireare so selcted or competing with the tie noose around all necks mocked in subservience

but dammit ya can't save em all as most
All are as self absorbed playing in the Fed game they walk by the homeless like dead climbers at everest and scoff as they pass them without helping ,judging that they are weaker than I could be be! I'm as guilty as that judgment as the next as our controllers have bred and taught that SCOFF OF FALSE JUDGEMENT into all of us innocents from k to 12 dying to work for or
our slave master oppressors instead of laughing and discarding them and working for ourselves . Not an easy realisation , turned to manifestation


anyway



I enjoy and need non fooked w city competition to ease the boredom of our time on the big plantation

These ideas aren't that diametrically opposed

go sabres , go bills


these are big defining games for both teams


sabres win against the wild , 4 in a row and pretty much cement a winning record for the year after a handicap start of 0 4 and 1 ?

if sabres can get to 14 or 15 and ten , 11 we will become and stay relevant if cozens and Quinn take off w Benson and Thompson gets back in a groove we will earn a big trade and a push for games beyond 82 it's what seems most likely w Lindy Ruff steering the ship thru dangerous infested corrupt nhl waters













the Bills have niners playing for their life w us finally healthy or almost but fragile but at home we expect to win
we have Rams playing for life and all in against us and finally our last tune up test before playoffs to defeat the Lions on the road w enough time to heal 4 to 5 weeks and injury all in for these two road games

I could see full team participate in two hone games w Jets and pats w the final game as needed



Buffalo sports is a mirror for a fight in our lives Go buffalo

 

[yahhockey]

Alright. Time for a Fantasy Football whine.

QB: Joe Burrow (Jordan Love today)
RBs: Saquon Barkley, James Cook
WRs: Justin Jefferson, Deebo
TE: Kittle
FLEX: Davante Adams/Rhamondre Stevenson/TJ Hockenson
K: Boswell
D/ST: Varies

I've scored the 2nd most points in my league. I'm about to go 5-7.

The last 2 weeks I've lost to the team that has scored the most points for the week....and have the 2nd most points for the week.

Infuriating.

That's part of why I stopped playing. There seemed to be more bad luck than good luck and I didn't want to feel negativity towards a sport I enjoy so fantasy had go. I play the pick 'em and survivor on this site but only make picks based on my initial thought with zero research or effort. There are no regrets about dropping fantasy football from my life but to each their own.

 

[Kupo]

please elaborate more for myself and the yutes out there, on coins as well as I paste googly eyes on myself after I'm dried out from American tower company , microwaved sanitised w the Latin seal of the tres popes and an an order even those who claim to know , know little is the scapegoat cannibal state created in 47 the real hand up all aszes or they are just the puppets billionairos of westeros that got the spice mining contract that people here actually think all this is fiction til it interferes w their sports being manipulated who cares that little Johnny down the street is on a milk carton of became sick of his bored parents religious freedom infringing on his personal space and brought Maxwell's silver hammer down on his betrayers at home . It's all so sad as we're all really lil children led astray and doing what were told w the military model taught to kill without ever questioning why as all countries never at war just a charade to kill the young that may usurp , that won't take the bribe of sports , or others in excellence redireare so selcted or competing with the tie noose around all necks mocked in subservience

but dammit ya can't save em all as most
All are as self absorbed playing in the Fed game they walk by the homeless like dead climbers at everest and scoff as they pass them without helping ,judging that they are weaker than I could be be! I'm as guilty as that judgment as the next as our controllers have bred and taught that SCOFF OF FALSE JUDGEMENT into all of us innocents from k to 12 dying to work for or
our slave master oppressors instead of laughing and discarding them and working for ourselves . Not an easy realisation , turned to manifestation


anyway



I enjoy and need non fooked w city competition to ease the boredom of our time on the big plantation

These ideas aren't that diametrically opposed

go sabres , go bills


these are big defining games for both teams


sabres win against the wild , 4 in a row and pretty much cement a winning record for the year after a handicap start of 0 4 and 1 ?

if sabres can get to 14 or 15 and ten , 11 we will become and stay relevant if cozens and Quinn take off w Benson and Thompson gets back in a groove we will earn a big trade and a push for games beyond 82 it's what seems most likely w Lindy Ruff steering the ship thru dangerous infested corrupt nhl waters

 

[Dingo44]

please elaborate more for myself and the yutes out there, on coins as well as I paste googly eyes on myself after I'm dried out from American tower company , microwaved sanitised w the Latin seal of the tres popes and an an order even those who claim to know , know little is the scapegoat cannibal state created in 47 the real hand up all aszes or they are just the puppets billionairos of westeros that got the spice mining contract that people here actually think all this is fiction til it interferes w their sports being manipulated who cares that little Johnny down the street is on a milk carton of became sick of his bored parents religious freedom infringing on his personal space and brought Maxwell's silver hammer down on his betrayers at home . It's all so sad as we're all really lil children led astray and doing what were told w the military model taught to kill without ever questioning why as all countries never at war just a charade to kill the young that may usurp , that won't take the bribe of sports , or others in excellence redireare so selcted or competing with the tie noose around all necks mocked in subservience

but dammit ya can't save em all as most
All are as self absorbed playing in the Fed game they walk by the homeless like dead climbers at everest and scoff as they pass them without helping ,judging that they are weaker than I could be be! I'm as guilty as that judgment as the next as our controllers have bred and taught that SCOFF OF FALSE JUDGEMENT into all of us innocents from k to 12 dying to work for or
our slave master oppressors instead of laughing and discarding them and working for ourselves . Not an easy realisation , turned to manifestation


anyway



I enjoy and need non fooked w city competition to ease the boredom of our time on the big plantation

These ideas aren't that diametrically opposed

go sabres , go bills


these are big defining games for both teams


sabres win against the wild , 4 in a row and pretty much cement a winning record for the year after a handicap start of 0 4 and 1 ?

if sabres can get to 14 or 15 and ten , 11 we will become and stay relevant if cozens and Quinn take off w Benson and Thompson gets back in a groove we will earn a big trade and a push for games beyond 82 it's what seems most likely w Lindy Ruff steering the ship thru dangerous infested corrupt nhl waters













the Bills have niners playing for their life w us finally healthy or almost but fragile but at home we expect to win
we have Rams playing for life and all in against us and finally our last tune up test before playoffs to defeat the Lions on the road w enough time to heal 4 to 5 weeks and injury all in for these two road games

I could see full team participate in two hone games w Jets and pats w the final game as needed



Buffalo sports is a mirror for a fight in our lives Go buffalo

Long live Vatican City.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

A.I. bot

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Purdy did some light throwing today per Shanahan

No updates from Bill's on injuries today.

 

[Zman5778]

Joe and Troy are D-O-N-E with the refs. They do acknowledge that a lot of what has been called lately on MNF have been legit.....but they seem really done with the ticky-tack stuff.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

Joe and Troy are D-O-N-E with the refs. They do acknowledge that a lot of what has been called lately on MNF have been legit.....but they seem really done with the ticky-tack stuff.

Can't stand those two though, as a neutral fan always put on the Manningcast. When the Bills are playing though you need actual replays/injury news/etc that you don't get on the Manningcast (especially when the non-football guests come on)...

 

[Zman5778]

Can't stand those two though, as a neutral fan always put on the Manningcast. When the Bills are playing though you need actual replays/injury news/etc that you don't get on the Manningcast (especially when the non-football guests come on)...

I've found that they've mellowed out significantly since they transitioned to ESPN. I despised them on Fox......but I actually find myself enjoying Joe's PBP.

 

[misterchainsaw]

I think it's safe to say at this point that LA's defensive numbers were inflated by a weak schedule to open the season. Baltimore having their way with them after a slow-ish start.

 

[truthbluth]

I seriously hate being that f***ing guy, but the quickness of whistles when Lamar is being tackled as a runner vs the way they let teams tee off on Josh is f***ing infuriating.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

The thing that scares me about Baltimore is the home run ability in the run game. They can just break the big one at any time, and our defense is still susceptible to that.