NFL GDT: Week 13: Birds of a Feather

[StreetHawk]

They had no timeouts with :13 and it was 3rd down. They weren't gaining 15 yards and getting out of bounds, lol.

Exactly. Say it was a false start. Then it is a 55 yard attempt for that spot with 15 seconds. To gain 8 yards then clock the ball in 14 seconds? That is unlikely. Took LV 13 seconds from the end of the 7 yards gain to clock the ball from 28 to 15 seconds.

KC would be sitting on side line plays. Leaving only middle of the field. Have to convert the first because no time to get off another play. And even that, have to get on the ball fast and get set to clock the ball.

Possible, but when you can’t get the snap off properly can you expect to execute a play and ensure enough time on the clock for the FG attempt by either going out of bounds or being fast enough to spike the ball if in boundsv

 

[BMOK33]

Raiders players confirming postgame they even verbally heard false start called, lineman who was on the top of screen said it was clear as you can hear

 

[StreetHawk]

Raiders players confirming postgame they even verbally heard false start called, lineman who was on the top of screen said it was clear as you can hear

So basically raiders agree they messed up and would have made it 3rd and 8 from the 38 yard line thus a 55 yard attempt from there with a K who missed 3 from 50+.

With 15 seconds left, what are the options for the raiders? Either it’s out of bounds. But KC D going to play the sidelines so potential for a pick or something if they jump the route. No guarantee the raiders can get any yards.
Incomplete thus a 55 yard attempt.
Or since KC is likely to give up middle of the field and dare a raiders team that needed 13 seconds from the prior play to clock the ball.

So, raiders would need to be much faster as a play would take like 4 seconds to gain 8 yards maybe 5 seconds. Leaves 10 or 11 seconds left. Has to be a quick decision. Can’t be like Caleb and double clutch and go next read yesterday. 1 read route. And has to make the line of the gain in order to have any chance to spike the ball. No time to run the FG unit on. Otherwise it is a Hail Mary even if you can ge the snap off before time runs out. 9 or maybe 10 seconds to fully execute a clock play. Otherwise it’s Dal/SF from a couple years ago.

LV would still have a chance but they would have made it much harder on themselves cause they couldn’t execute.

 

[GKJ]

Just saw the clip of Tom Brady and Kevin Burkhardt being served the turducken. But they only grabbed the leg and at it.

Bruvs, you only eating turkey legs. You ain’t eating turducken. You’re at Fox, you never seen the turducken? Brady’s won on Thanksgiving multiple times. You gotta cut into that thing, first long ways down the middle, and then across

 

[Terry Yake]

Just saw the clip of Tom Brady and Kevin Burkhardt being served the turducken. But they only grabbed the leg and at it.

Bruvs, you only eating turkey legs. You ain’t eating turducken. You’re at Fox, you never seen the turducken? Brady’s won on Thanksgiving multiple times. You gotta cut into that thing, first long ways down the middle, and then across

 

[GKJ]

It feels like the same teams always outsmart themselves.

 

[DaaaaB's]

It's almost freezing in KC, so it's playing longer than 50, closer to 55+. Did you miss the kick that he chunked like a high handicap golfer, or the other ones that werent close from 50+

Yeah, I was working and didn't see any of it.

 

[StreetHawk]

It feels like the same teams always outsmart themselves.

Exactly. Then did a reporter follow up and ask that since the 1st down completion was down at about 28 seconds. So, did not have to spike it for another 10 seconds. So something didn’t get communicated.
The OC took over in Nov.

But like Flus, HC should be making the call of what to do. Before that drive he needs to have asked Carlson his target. If he said 50, then the O hit the minimum mark.

So if you just wanted to kill time, no reason to spike early. That requires a decisive decision to be made. Just shows you how bad teams bumble things. And how defensive HC struggle at end of game offensive situations.

Carlson missed 3 kicks from 50+. So logical to try for some more yards there. Could have spiked after the Myers catch at the 40 to catch their breath and regroup. 2 downs left. Currently at 57 yard attempt with like 40 seconds to go.

The spike was 13 seconds from the end of the play for them to execute. So LV would have been super tight to get a first down in bounds then spike the ball if a play takes 4 seconds to run.

Even if the flag was for false start that means 3rd and 8 with no TO and 15 seconds. KC would defend the sidelines. So you have to make the line of the gain in order to spike the ball all in 14 seconds.

So Pierce botched the end of game situation. He’s a Campbell type culture guy of HC. But you need the HC to be situation ally aware and decisive.

 

[Ace]

Illegal shifts don’t blow plays dead. plays continue and they enforce after the play. This play was blown dead for a false start. People stop playing. KC doesn’t have the ball when the whistle blows. The official has run all the way onto the field to signal false start. Now you want to tell me that it doesn’t matter that they blew the whistle because they changed the call to a penalty that doesn’t stop play? Even though THEY BLEW THE f***ING WHISTLE. Play was dead regardless of the f***ing call because THEY BLEW IT DEAD. Then they allowed a play to continue AFTER THEY BLEW IT DEAD. Not in reality of course. In reality the play was dead and they didn’t signal turnover anywhere. Because they blew the play dead. Retroactively changing actual things that actually happened like a whistle stopping play or a ball being recovered afterwards…doesn’t change that those things happened. Because that is how they called the play. Then the usual bullshit from the man in NY supersedes actual facts with no oversight or explination.

It’s bullshit.

Play was blown dead. Full stop. Inarguable. There should not be a man in the sky who can pretend that this didn’t happen. He should not be able to overrule officials and ignore stoppage of play because he feels like it. That horseshit. Where is this get it right guy every goddamn play that isn’t called right? Why is he weighing in on something that shouldn’t be changeable BECAUSE THE f***ING WHISTLE STOPPED THE f***ING PLAY.

I don’t have to ask why it keeps benefiting one team. That I know.

 

[StreetHawk]

Illegal shifts don’t blow plays dead. plays continue and they enforce after the play. This play was blown dead for a false start. People stop playing. KC doesn’t have the ball when the whistle blows. The official has run all the way onto the field to signal false start. Now you want to tell me that it doesn’t matter that they blew the whistle because they changed the call to a penalty that doesn’t stop play? Even though THEY BLEW THE f***ING WHISTLE. Play was dead regardless of the f***ing call because THEY BLEW IT DEAD. Then they allowed a play to continue AFTER THEY BLEW IT DEAD. Not in reality of course. In reality the play was dead and they didn’t signal turnover anywhere. Because they blew the play dead. Retroactively changing actual things that actually happened like a whistle stopping play or a ball being recovered afterwards…doesn’t change that those things happened. Because that is how they called the play. Then the usual bullshit from the man in NY supersedes actual facts with no oversight or explination.

It’s bullshit.

Play was blown dead. Full stop. Inarguable. There should not be a man in the sky who can pretend that this didn’t happen. He should not be able to overrule officials and ignore stoppage of play because he feels like it. That horseshit. Where is this get it right guy every goddamn play that isn’t called right? Why is he weighing in on something that shouldn’t be changeable BECAUSE THE f***ING WHISTLE STOPPED THE f***ING PLAY.

I don’t have to ask why it keeps benefiting one team. That I know.

In that situation, where does that leave LV if they call a False Start? 15 seconds, no timeouts and ball on the 38 with a 3rd and 8?
Are they kicking a 55 yarder from that spot where their normally reliable and strong leg K missed 3 from 50+?

If they decide to run a play, they have 14 seconds to make the line of the gain and then spike the ball with 1 second left. That is super tight to execute. Everything has to be on time to gain those 8 or more yards and executive the spike play. They took 13 seconds from the end of the 1st down play to spike the ball. Would have like 9 -10 seconds to do that if the play takes 4-5 seconds.

I'm sure Spags would have his Corners covering the sidelines to tackle any Raider receiver in bounds.

Would still have a chance after a false start, but not a good one.

Again, Pierce said that the call on 3rd down was a throw away to burn 4-5 seconds. Then why spike the ball with 15 seconds? If you are settling for a 50 yard FG attempt, then make that decision immediately after the 1st down play and spike the ball with 5 seconds or less in the game.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

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Illegal shifts don’t blow plays dead. plays continue and they enforce after the play. This play was blown dead for a false start. People stop playing. KC doesn’t have the ball when the whistle blows. The official has run all the way onto the field to signal false start. Now you want to tell me that it doesn’t matter that they blew the whistle because they changed the call to a penalty that doesn’t stop play? Even though THEY BLEW THE f***ING WHISTLE. Play was dead regardless of the f***ing call because THEY BLEW IT DEAD. Then they allowed a play to continue AFTER THEY BLEW IT DEAD. Not in reality of course. In reality the play was dead and they didn’t signal turnover anywhere. Because they blew the play dead. Retroactively changing actual things that actually happened like a whistle stopping play or a ball being recovered afterwards…doesn’t change that those things happened. Because that is how they called the play. Then the usual bullshit from the man in NY supersedes actual facts with no oversight or explination.

It’s bullshit.

Play was blown dead. Full stop. Inarguable. There should not be a man in the sky who can pretend that this didn’t happen. He should not be able to overrule officials and ignore stoppage of play because he feels like it. That horseshit. Where is this get it right guy every goddamn play that isn’t called right? Why is he weighing in on something that shouldn’t be changeable BECAUSE THE f***ING WHISTLE STOPPED THE f***ING PLAY.

I don’t have to ask why it keeps benefiting one team. That I know.

No one stopped playing. By the time the ref even threw his arms up, the ball and players were in the backfield going for the ball. by the time you can hear a whistle over the broadcast, the ball was recovered by the Cheifs.

I've see plenty of similar cases, notably a play that was initally ruled an imcomplete pass only for it to be reviewed and shown to be a fumble (arm not moving forward) and possession awarded to other team because there was a clear and immediate recovery, despite initial incomplete call.

Not to mention even in fantasy land deadball false start scenario, it would have been a 55 yarder playing 60+ with the freezing temperature. a coin toss at best. my gut tells me the % of him making that kick was closer to 5-10% than 50% based on how he was going in that game and this year in general. was far from a chip shot or a FG that you could expect to make. it would have been a virtual miracle.