Buffalo Bills Week 11-- Kansas City (9-0) @ Buffalo (8-2) Sunday 11/17, 4:25 PM, CBS

[Zman5778]

I wonder if they could include Samuel in a trade for someone like Davante Adams. It would give Buffalo a better chance at making the cap work, and would give Las Vegas a replacement WR for Adams instead of having to retain (as much) money on his contract. I’m still not sure if the cap would work even if Samuel was included. But just a thought since he doesn’t seem to be fitting in very well here.

If LV doesn't retain salary (and it's reported from multiple places multiple times that they don't want to), Adams to Buffalo WILL NOT happen.

 

[zenthusiast]

Simply distract mark davis with flashing lights and loud noise

 

[WeDislikeEich]

If LV doesn't retain salary (and it's reported from multiple places multiple times that they don't want to), Adams to Buffalo WILL NOT happen.

Yeah, forget that idea. I just looked up Samuel’s cap hit for this year and it’s only $3.4M. I assumed it was $8M and was thinking if they could clear most of that $8M it would open up that space for Adams, and with the $3M in cap space they currently have I was thinking it would get them much closer to the cap space they’d need to take on Adams $13.5M this year.

But it doesn’t seem to be a viable option due to the way Samuel’s contract was structured. Moving him doesn’t open up much cap space at all (I believe less than $2M if over the cap is accurate)

 

[kirby11]

The challenge is who was open in the short to intermediate areas of the field?

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843295949684449425

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843137842915996102

Brady also had zero quick game answers against the blitz, either over the middle or in the flats. Allen is usually at least decent if not outright good against pressure. Yesterday, he was 1/14, and most of those passes were him chucking desperation heaves after running for his life

 

[Jim Bob]

very odd seeing Samuel’s usage in Buffalo, especially considering it was most likely Brady who wanted him signed. You’d think he’d know how to use him effectively since he seemed to in Carolina.

I wonder if they could include Samuel in a trade for someone like Davante Adams. It would give Buffalo a better chance at making the cap work, and would give Las Vegas a replacement WR for Adams instead of having to retain (as much) money on his contract. I’m still not sure if the cap would work even if Samuel was included. But just a thought since he doesn’t seem to be fitting in very well here.

I highly doubt it given the dead cap they would have to take on in a Samuel trade.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

I highly doubt it given the dead cap they would have to take on in a Samuel trade.

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Yeah, see my next post above. I didn’t realize his cap hit was only $3.4M this year. I was thinking trading him could clear $8M but that isn’t the case.

Not sure which site is accurate but OverTheCap shows different numbers for a post June 1st trade for 2025 and beyond. It’s a moot point though because even if OTC’s numbers are correct it still doesn’t open up any cap space this year ($1.6M as your chart shows). According to overthecap, The real savings wouldn’t come till 2025, which does no good this year.

 

[misterchainsaw]

I'm more angry at McD than I've ever been, aside from 13 seconds. How could they botch the end of the game so badly?

It was roll out Josh in the end zone and bomb balls out of bounds to waste time. Three times in a row. Each would take ten seconds and the punt would have been the last play of regulation. Escape to OT in a game you didn't deserve to have a shot at winning. Obvious. Insane.

One of the worst coaching mistakes I've ever seen. A 10-year old Madden player would know what to do there.

And this is why fans (video game couch heroes) are not coaches. This is an absolutely horrendous idea. So easy for a lineman to take a penalty safety, boom. Safety. One DL wins wide, boom, safety. One corner or slot blitz from that side, well you get the idea. Allen very often is more than 13 yards behind the line of scrimmage when he's running for his life to the right and the opposition contains him well (which Houston did all day). Well, here he can't do that because you also have to worry about the end line. Bottom line, this would require great blocking on that end from Buffalo to execute as well as Houston continuing to play along and not calling something from that edge. It also won't take close to 10 seconds per play unless Allen hangs in the pocket for 3-4 seconds then starts running. Which, obviously, even more dangerous

I can't even fathom someone thinking long developing rollout in that situation would even anacceptable, much less ideal way to go.

 

[TageGod]

Where is matchup nightmare Kincaid on linebackers? When is Coleman going to fake a back shoulder route and run a different direction? Samuel's usage is an F-- no more working him back from injury excuses.

Team needs more motion, misdirection, and all around less predictable routes and player packages.

D needs better safety play in a bad way. Offense has not been able to execute a screen in 5 years. Allens deep ball accuracy has been trash last 4 years, but the receiver ALWAYS drops the accurate ones.

 

[zenthusiast]

YPP has a sobering review of the game going on Twitter. Nothing surprising really but it’s a fresh twist of the knife

 

[zenthusiast]

And this is why fans (video game couch heroes) are not coaches. This is an absolutely horrendous idea. So easy for a lineman to take a penalty safety, boom. Safety. One DL wins wide, boom, safety. One corner or slot blitz from that side, well you get the idea. Allen very often is more than 13 yards behind the line of scrimmage when he's running for his life to the right and the opposition contains him well (which Houston did all day). Well, here he can't do that because you also have to worry about the end line. Bottom line, this would require great blocking on that end from Buffalo to execute as well as Houston continuing to play along and not calling something from that edge. It also won't take close to 10 seconds per play unless Allen hangs in the pocket for 3-4 seconds then starts running. Which, obviously, even more dangerous

I can't even fathom someone thinking long developing rollout in that situation would even anacceptable, much less ideal way to go.

I actually played madden with joe Brady a few times eons ago and he low key couldn’t situationally manage then either

 

[ValJamesDuex]

very odd seeing Samuel’s usage in Buffalo, especially considering it was most likely Brady who wanted him signed. You’d think he’d know how to use him effectively since he seemed to in Carolina.

I wonder if they could include Samuel in a trade for someone like Davante Adams. It would give Buffalo a better chance at making the cap work, and would give Las Vegas a replacement WR for Adams instead of having to retain (as much) money on his contract. I’m still not sure if the cap would work even if Samuel was included. But just a thought since he doesn’t seem to be fitting in very well here.

Beane gets a lot of well deserved credit, but his receiver signings have been 50/50. They got a lot out of McKenzie, Beasley, Brown, and Sanders. But the others ?

Perhaps Samuel's turf toe is holding him back, but it does look like usage and performance.

 

[misterchainsaw]

Also, opposing kickers are yet again perfect against us to start the year. Kicking overall is probably getting too good for the good of the sport, but man, guys do still miss on occasion in other games. And a 59 trader and whatever the one in the reason in Philly was part year weren't exactly normal "50+ yard" kicks. This team just can't buy a break sometimes.

 

[Jim Bob]

Yeah, see my next post above. I didn’t realize his cap hit was only $3.4M this year. I was thinking trading him could clear $8M but that isn’t the case.

Not sure which site is accurate but OverTheCap shows different numbers for a post June 1st trade for 2025 and beyond. It’s a moot point though because even if OTC’s numbers are correct it still doesn’t open up any cap space this year ($1.6M as your chart shows). According to overthecap, The real savings wouldn’t come till 2025, which does no good this year.

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OTC does not show dead cap in a great way. They only show the current year's dead cap and does not show what rolls over into the following year. Spotrac is much better in that regard.

 

[Selanne00008]

I didn't expect them to win, so, getting it down to a game winning FG at the end was more than I expected, especially with the 1st half the way it went.

That all being said, boy do our WRs look brutal. Hollins looked slow AF and a fish out of water on that deep ball. Multiple other drops. Coleman and Allen not on the same page at times.

It's tough when your best WR is a 5th round draft pick in his 3rd year that's never had 40 catches in a season. He's ruled out for the game and we look totally incompetent? That's glaring to me.

I came off the need for a top WR and am all about winning through the trenches, but you DO need capable receivers that can haul in a 40 yard pass and burn to pay dirt.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

OTC does not show dead cap in a great way. They only show the current year's dead cap and does not show what rolls over into the following year. Spotrac is much better in that regard.

Thanks for the info! Good to know.

 

[SundherDome]

Beane gets a lot of well deserved credit, but his receiver signings have been 50/50. They got a lot out of McKenzie, Beasley, Brown, and Sanders. But the others ?

Perhaps Samuel's turf toe is holding him back, but it does look like usage and performance.

I can't understand Brady's usage to be honest. Samuel and MVS should be on the outside. Samuel can be a boundary receiver. Then when you want Coleman on the field, work Samuel inside with Shakir. Hollins should be a 5/blocking wideout.

Diggs was phased out but still had to be respected. They need a guy who defenses have to respect and account for. They also need to figure out Knox, get him involved or find him a new home.

 

[SundherDome]

Beane gets a lot of well deserved credit, but his receiver signings have been 50/50. They got a lot out of McKenzie, Beasley, Brown, and Sanders. But the others ?

Perhaps Samuel's turf toe is holding him back, but it does look like usage and performance.

Sherfield was nice too. Probably the biggest issue is how they are used in the scheme. I'm sure he sat down with Brady and talked about what he wanted. Samuel is a great example. A guy they can move around, but has he run any go or deep routes? It seems like they are trying to force him into just a small gadget player but the offense just can't execute that type of play. Every screen or quick dump always gets eaten up. Told they wanna move him around get him in the backfield as a safety valve that the d needs to account for that will open up something else.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Sherfield was nice too. Probably the biggest issue is how they are used in the scheme. I'm sure he sat down with Brady and talked about what he wanted. Samuel is a great example. A guy they can move around, but has he run any go or deep routes? It seems like they are trying to force him into just a small gadget player but the offense just can't execute that type of play. Every screen or quick dump always gets eaten up. Told they wanna move him around get him in the backfield as a safety valve that the d needs to account for that will open up something else.

sorry, I was not a Sherfield fan at all.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

The offensive gameplan was not conducive to winning against that Houston defense which played their game and should not have surprised the Bills. At all.

Allen had success over the first three games with the short passing game.

This week, they took low percentage deep shots over and over and over again without success outside of the one play on 4th down to Keon.

Brady is at his best when something works and he keeps hammering it. Exhibit A: running all over the Cowboys last year.

Brady is not good at adapting in-game when things are obviously not working and he needs to adapt to what is happening.

Allen wasn't great. But, Brady did not put him in a position to succeed yesterday, either.

3rd and 10 wide open receiver over the middle, missed him badly. Every game plan sucks when your qb looks like that.

 

[Willgamesh]

Brady and Babich interviews from today.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843389772384911401

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843395887457792498

 

[SundherDome]

sorry, I was not a Sherfield fan at all.

He was a solid blocking WR, played special teams and could catch a pass in an emergency. That's all I want from 5 or 6 WR.

I think it still comes down to how they are schemed into the offense. MVS and Samuel should be taking the top off while the others are eating on the underneath stuff and a safety valve is built in for Josh

 

[ValJamesDuex]

I thought McD really danced around the question of play calling and his input to Brady during the game today.

 

[buffa dud]

I can't understand Brady's usage to be honest. Samuel and MVS should be on the outside. Samuel can be a boundary receiver. Then when you want Coleman on the field, work Samuel inside with Shakir. Hollins should be a 5/blocking wideout.

Diggs was phased out but still had to be respected. They need a guy who defenses have to respect and account for. They also need to figure out Knox, get him involved or find him a new home.

I don't want Coleman on the boundary, trying to make the low percentage play that eventually got Davis his walking papers. I want (Coleman), Knox and Kincaid underneath, barreling toward a single DB ALL GAME LONG. And I want that defensive-back to think "not again..." when he's deliberating on making one more tackle in the fourth-quarter, when his bones are screaming at him to give up on the play. This way, after a long night of picking up five to ten yards play after play after play, that big play opens up for them and it doesn't cost the team in the way of abbreviated drives early on.

 

[kirby11]

Mahomes gets easy button shit the entire way down the field on their second drive. Kelce is wide open 15 yards downfield, in the dead center of the field, with no one around him for 5 yards in any direction.

Meanwhile, we have OCs learning on the job with prime Allen.

 

[kirby11]

He was a solid blocking WR, played special teams and could catch a pass in an emergency. That's all I want from 5 or 6 WR.

I think it still comes down to how they are schemed into the offense. MVS and Samuel should be taking the top off while the others are eating on the underneath stuff and a safety valve is built in for Josh

They have repeatedly failed to get someone to replace Brown as an outside WR who can operate both as a speedy deep threat and a good enough route runner to create space for 10-20 yard intermediate throws. Sanders was that guy for a bit until he got injured. The dart throws at pure speed guys (Harty and MVS) aren’t cutting it, especially when we keep grabbing ones who’ve either lost a step from injury or are old