Buffalo Bills Week 11-- Kansas City (9-0) @ Buffalo (8-2) Sunday 11/17, 4:25 PM, CBS

[Dubi Doo]

Keon is the only new WR worth anything MVS,Samuel and Hollins are all awful. Also can we have Samuel possibly run a slant or did he tell the team he will only catch screens for negative yards.

I'm really surprised about Samuel. He was a dependable receiver in Washington. I loved the signing, but him not panning out has really hurt our receiver depth.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

If the cap can work, I'd like to see both Amari Cooper and Diontae Johnson in Bills uniforms next week.

If it's just one, I'd imagine Cooper is a much cheaper price.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

I'm going to take the opposite tact and say the offensive series playcalling was NOT a problem on the last series.

1) Houston had three timeouts. The only way to take it to OT was to get a first down.
2) Houston had three timeouts. Meaning even if you call run-run-run-punt, they still get the ball back, probably about the same amount of time (maybe more if the runs take less time than the pass plays).
3) The only difference if the last play to set up the FG would not have been able to use the middle of the field.

The Bills needed to get a first down. Period. The timeout situation became irrelevant because of how low the clock was anyways. The only argument for running there is if you think they had a better chance of picking up the first down by calling a run. In that situation, where Houston was probably expecting the run, where a safety was the ultimate disaster...I'm fine with 3 passes there, but you gotta convert. They didn't.

 

[TommyDangles]

I'm going to take the opposite tact and say the offensive series playcalling was NOT a problem on the last series.

1) Houston had three timeouts. The only way to take it to OT was to get a first down.
2) Houston had three timeouts. Meaning even if you call run-run-run-punt, they still get the ball back, probably about the same amount of time (maybe more if the runs take less time than the pass plays).
3) The only difference if the last play to set up the FG would not have been able to use the middle of the field.

The Bills needed to get a first down. Period. The timeout situation became irrelevant because of how low the clock was anyways. The only argument for running there is if you think they had a better chance of picking up the first down by calling a run. In that situation, where Houston was probably expecting the run, where a safety was the ultimate disaster...I'm fine with 3 passes there, but you gotta convert. They didn't.

Allen was very likely concussed and they had him passing 3 times in a row. Try to give your punter some breathing room. Even a few yards would've helped. You could still pass on 3rd down. No runs at all is terrible playcaling, especially with Houston struggling against the run.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Allen was very likely concussed and they had him passing 3 times in a row. Try to give your punter some breathing room. Even a few yards would've helped. You could still pass on 3rd down. No runs at all is terrible playcaling, especially with Houston struggling against the run.

If he is/was concussed the Bill's face huge penalties from the league much like Tua. If Josh faked it and got away with one in the medical tent with a independent Neurologist, shame on him for his career, and future life. I'm not saying he wasn't, his head clearly hit the turf but he was telling teammates on the sidelines the wind was knocked out of him.

 

[zenthusiast]

It’s not a sure thing but burning timeouts and getting a little more room for Martin would have been preferable.

 

[zenthusiast]

They can’t keep letting Leslie Frazier get away with this

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843047988907884670

 

[SabresFan26]

We really wanted 12 personnel, but is Knox even playing? We spend a lot of money on him.

 

[TheStorm]

Hurts extra bad that Allen has been playing poorly the past few weeks since a lot of other QBs have been going crazy getting 4 or 5 TD games and like over 400 yards

 

[misterchainsaw]

Really the difference in the game is that they hit their wide open deep shot and we didn't. You've gotta be able to hit a guy that wide open when the opportunity presents itself.

No one played particularly well on offense except the running backs. The offense line struggled in protection, but part of that was Allen looking to get out to the right whenever the slightest pressure came. Good coaches have keyed in on that and can neutralize that with spies and containment rushes on that end.

 

[misterchainsaw]

I'm going to take the opposite tact and say the offensive series playcalling was NOT a problem on the last series.

1) Houston had three timeouts. The only way to take it to OT was to get a first down.
2) Houston had three timeouts. Meaning even if you call run-run-run-punt, they still get the ball back, probably about the same amount of time (maybe more if the runs take less time than the pass plays).
3) The only difference if the last play to set up the FG would not have been able to use the middle of the field.

The Bills needed to get a first down. Period. The timeout situation became irrelevant because of how low the clock was anyways. The only argument for running there is if you think they had a better chance of picking up the first down by calling a run. In that situation, where Houston was probably expecting the run, where a safety was the ultimate disaster...I'm fine with 3 passes there, but you gotta convert. They didn't.

Even 6 or 7 yards makes a difference there though. I didn't love the playcalling/decision making. Maybe there was shorter routes that got covered, but it seemed like they were playing like they wanted to get the 60 yards and try a winning field goal without realizing Houston could come back win easily if they didn't get anything. Maybe some of that falls on Allen not taking shorter stuff, maybe it's on Brady for not having the routes, I don't know - I'd have to look at the plays.

 

[Zman5778]

Going into the season, I think we all saw the first 6 games and figured 4-2 or 3-3 were the most likely outcomes. The schedule eases dramatically after the Jets game.......and then that hellacious middle of the schedule ain't looking as daunting with the Chiefs not looking great and the Niners injured worse than we are.

12 wins is still reasonable as long as Allen doesn't repeat what he did in the first half today. Bernard is back. Taron looks to be on track to coming back next week. We get Oliver back......our defense (which didn't look bad outside one big play and one long, chunky TD drive) should rebound.

This one hurts.....but I still like the big picture........as long as Allen removes his head from his ass.

 

[zenthusiast]

Really the difference in the game is that they hit their wide open deep shot and we didn't. You've gotta be able to hit a guy that wide open when the opportunity presents itself.

No one played particularly well on offense except the running backs. The offense line struggled in protection, but part of that was Allen looking to get out to the right whenever the slightest pressure came. Good coaches have keyed in on that and can neutralize that with spies and containment rushes on that end.

As much as I really hate to say it, this is a game where Gabe Davis gets 2 catches for 115 yards and a touchdown

 

[misterchainsaw]

Going into the season, I think we all saw the first 6 games and figured 4-2 or 3-3 were the most likely outcomes. The schedule eases dramatically after the Jets game.......and then that hellacious middle of the schedule ain't looking as daunting with the Chiefs not looking great and the Niners injured worse than we are.

12 wins is still reasonable as long as Allen doesn't repeat what he did in the first half today. Bernard is back. Taron looks to be on track to coming back next week. We get Oliver back......our defense (which didn't look bad outside one big play and one long, chunky TD drive) should rebound.

This one hurts.....but I still like the big picture........as long as Allen removes his head from his ass.

It just feels like nobody's good in the league this year. But on the flip side nobodies terrible either (except maybe Carolina). Everyone is at least pretty good at one of offense or defense, and that means anyone can beat you if you have an off game.

 

[TommyDangles]

If he is/was concussed the Bill's face huge penalties from the league much like Tua. If Josh faked it and got away with one in the medical tent with a independent Neurologist, shame on him for his career, and future life. I'm not saying he wasn't, his head clearly hit the turf but he was telling teammates on the sidelines the wind was knocked out of him.

He was clearly out cold. You could see his arms go limp. Just because he passed a test in the blue tent doesn't mean he wasn't concussed. When your head bounces like a basketball off the turf he was very likely concussed.

 

[Dubi Doo]

Going into the season, I think we all saw the first 6 games and figured 4-2 or 3-3 were the most likely outcomes. The schedule eases dramatically after the Jets game.......and then that hellacious middle of the schedule ain't looking as daunting with the Chiefs not looking great and the Niners injured worse than we are.

12 wins is still reasonable as long as Allen doesn't repeat what he did in the first half today. Bernard is back. Taron looks to be on track to coming back next week. We get Oliver back......our defense (which didn't look bad outside one big play and one long, chunky TD drive) should rebound.

This one hurts.....but I still like the big picture........as long as Allen removes his head from his ass.

Yup. I still foresee us winning the division.

But why must we always lose these types of games?! It feels like these ridiculous losses happen way more against us than in our favor...too many men on the field against the Giants last year, Hail Murray, the Minnesota game, 13 seconds, etc...such frustrating ways to lose.

Im finally coming around to there being a higher power- the football gods, and man are they massive assholes to us.

 

[DapperCam]

I'm going to take the opposite tact and say the offensive series playcalling was NOT a problem on the last series.

1) Houston had three timeouts. The only way to take it to OT was to get a first down.
2) Houston had three timeouts. Meaning even if you call run-run-run-punt, they still get the ball back, probably about the same amount of time (maybe more if the runs take less time than the pass plays).
3) The only difference if the last play to set up the FG would not have been able to use the middle of the field.

The Bills needed to get a first down. Period. The timeout situation became irrelevant because of how low the clock was anyways. The only argument for running there is if you think they had a better chance of picking up the first down by calling a run. In that situation, where Houston was probably expecting the run, where a safety was the ultimate disaster...I'm fine with 3 passes there, but you gotta convert. They didn't.

I agree that the Bills had to get a first down. But the play selection was just no good. Should have been 1 run and 2 short passes with hope for YAC. The plays they ran were terrible.

Only chance for the Bills this year seems to be to win a weak division and hope our very inexperienced coordinators get some on the job training during the season and have a healthy roster by the time the playoffs roll around. Once you're in anything can happen. No team in the AFC is looking truly great this season.

 

[1specter]

Idk man... McD has done a lot of good, and has managed to get some great results out of undermanned and injured groups, but the same problems with poor clock management and questionable decision making in crucial moments continue to haunt this team. Also feel like they get exposed every time they play a top tier team. Might be getting closer to the end with him here....

 

[12ozPapa]

Idk man... McD has done a lot of good, and has managed to get some great results out of undermanned and injured groups, but the same problems with poor clock management and questionable decision making in crucial moments continue to haunt this team. Also feel like they get exposed every time they play a top tier team. Might be getting closer to the end with him here....

I agree. This team can look amazing but when it comes to time management/crunch time, I get stressed and grab an extra beer. That’s not good. This team is capable of. But they HAVE to be better in crucial moments and I have to say - it seems coaching may be an issue.

 

[DapperCam]

At least we aren't the Bengals. 1-4 and 0-3 vs AFC. Lost to the Patriots! Their season is likely done and it's barely October.

 

[buffa dud]

At least we aren't the Bengals. 1-4 and 0-3 vs AFC. Lost to the Patriots! Their season is likely done and it's barely October.

I'm good with that. Not interested in seeing Burrow, Higgins, Chase and Anarumo in the postseason.

 

[buffa dud]

We really wanted 12 personnel, but is Knox even playing? We spend a lot of money on him.

He's essentially an undersized lineman at this point. It's inexplicable how absent he's been in the passing game given how atrocious the wide receivers have been outside of Shakir.

And just to get ahead of it, I'm not advocating re-signing Shakir unless he can prove himself to be a top-5 threat in the league. Benford is earning a longterm deal. It looks like Bernard is. Rousseau... I'm thinking he can test FA waters, and the Bills will be fine. Shakir... he's looking good, but he needs a full season to prove himself as a top threat.

 

[TommyDangles]

At least we aren't the Bengals. 1-4 and 0-3 vs AFC. Lost to the Patriots! Their season is likely done and it's barely October.

I'd honestly rather be shit for a year and get a gamechanger on offense/defense instead of barely making the playoffs again and getting a late 20s pick

 

[misterchainsaw]

FWIW I don't consider today a time management problem at all, for the reason NotaBadPeriod described above (and I also heavily disagree with the notion that McD is bad at it in general. He's one of the best heading into half time, and fine in the end game). There are coaches who are much, much worse.

Today at the end was a playcalling issue, and that's more on Brady.

Also. Let's be clear here, some of the same people who are roasting him for throwing the ball late are the same people who would have roasted him for going conservative with Josh Allen had they run the ball 3 times and lost in overtime.

 

[K8fool]

I'm going to take the opposite tact and say the offensive series playcalling was NOT a problem on the last series.

1) Houston had three timeouts. The only way to take it to OT was to get a first down.
2) Houston had three timeouts. Meaning even if you call run-run-run-punt, they still get the ball back, probably about the same amount of time (maybe more if the runs take less time than the pass plays).
3) The only difference if the last play to set up the FG would not have been able to use the middle of the field.

The Bills needed to get a first down. Period. The timeout situation became irrelevant because of how low the clock was anyways. The only argument for running there is if you think they had a better chance of picking up the first down by calling a run. In that situation, where Houston was probably expecting the run, where a safety was the ultimate disaster...I'm fine with 3 passes there, but you gotta convert. They didn't.

This is a well thought out take.

I really liked both josh and McD interviews. Both taking it all on themselves, shielding guys across the lineup that aren't used to having a bullseye on their backs.

I was impressed w a young D tonight after a rough first half.

I haven't read much here but imagine... people should feel lucky to have McD teaching the D w Babich calling . They have mostly rookies and josh usually wins that game going up 24 to 20. .

C'mon. I like the challenges. Bring up shavers and cut scantling. I like the rest. Keons learning. Split cook wide. Beane picks pretty well look at ray ray mcloud He's really awesome maybe find a good receiver to take the heat of the rest. Not a diva but a guy that fits the team.

If we can beat the jets, the division is probably ours

. We can play w this lineup then , learning, light reps w vets. , until all are back and actually needed to clinch.Nov. Trade deadline. Near healthy , calmly Assess and find a speed guy w great hands if shavers can't. Put hamlin on the bench and trade for someone like Hyde or get Hyde to tandem teach our rookie who should stay there and learn .

If they all gel under adversity. We win a playoff game. We match last yesr. Maybe peak and win another. We'll get experience Or punched on the way, humbled against division, sf and kc.

These guys will learn. Look at Bernard , Benford. W McD. Wow. Lucky to have him.

Josh will elevate. Brady will fight back and adjust to his tendencies exploited.

Don't beach about the end. Great punt. Safety we lose. Three runs probably stuffed. Same clock same 60 yarder. We lose. Joshs fault? He could've thrown a pick. Ran got intentional grounding safety. It sucks.

But. This loss may help more than the three wins.

Our guys we'll beat themselves up and hopefully win the game that matters. The jets. Monday

If not. Rag on them then. At 3 and 3. Support them , their young and Josh is learning this O w all new receivers today...And should have won. Wow.

Go Buffal o