OT: Weather

[Drivesaitl]

So like, did the city of Edmonton run out of sand?

The roads are downright scary right now.

Its absolutely ridiculous. The COE has a current anti driving mandate which is quite clear. To the degree that they seem to be interested in making driving much more difficult by not treating the roads in any way. In fact they've created a lot of this situation with their plow depths which are just leaving enough to be fine curling ice all over the city.

Not a speck of sand and gravel has been seen for nearly a week and after the lightest of dustings were applied.

But the thing is just trying to walk across these sheets of ice is extremely hazardous for pedestrians. Plus in the dark if you fall down on a road somebody probably runs you over. People are barely being able to cross roads without slipping.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

Wasn't fired. And he retired in 96. But I suppose that's probably him.

That guy is a discredited kook.

 

[guymez]

Your misdirecting. I didn't call you any names. And you still have not answered any of the questions I posed.For some reason
And yes. Ive looked into climate change. And I prefer to listen to the vast majority of climate scientists.
But then again, I believe in the moon landing as opposed to a few of my friends. Far too many people to be in on that conspiracy.

The implication is there...its pretty obvious what you were implying.
Dont be a denier.

Data is hard to find these days more than ever before.
Dont believe me...check the authenticity of Googles algorithms....Google 'white couples' and see what comes up.

 

[guymez]

It appears arsonists are responsible for less than 1% of the damage. Let's see what the final numbers say; nonetheless, I agree that it's still 1% too much.

Who did that assessment?

 

[doulos]

No block heater and couldn't risk it not starting today. Didn't start earlier in the week. Certainly not to anger anyone, which is silly

Ah dang, too bad. Been there with having to wake up during the night multiple times with a suspect battery.

 

[Biltmore]

Who did that assessment?

The Eco Police have now squashed all these stories. They've got everyone in line again. Nothing to see here folks...

 

[Frank the Tank]

Who did that assessment?

The fire inspectors of Victoria, where numerous mega-blazes raged. Overall, arson remains in the minority across the country. Not the majority you stated as being a fact.

We crunched the numbers on bushfires and arson — the results might surprise you

The police have arrests. That is a fact. Arson is responsible for the majority of those fires...that too is a fact.

I'd appreciate your source for that claim.

 

[guymez]

The fire inspectors of Victoria, where numerous mega-blazes raged. Overall, arson remains in the minority across the country. Not the majority you stated as being a fact.

We crunched the numbers on bushfires and arson — the results might surprise you



I'd appreciate your source for that claim.

In your mind its insignificant...I get that.
So I will ask again...how many people does it take to start a major fire catastrophe?

 

[Frank the Tank]

In your mind its insignificant...I get that.
So I will ask again...how many people does it take to start a major fire catastrophe?

You made the original claim about arson causing the majority of the bush fires. Since digging into stories is something you recommend, please provide your sources.

 

[Biltmore]

Want to Stop Australia’s Fires? Listen to Aboriginal People

Our ancestors survived in a fire-prone landscape for millenniums. We can learn from their techniques.

Burn the underbrush just like Trump said!

Opinion | Want to Stop Australia’s Fires? Listen to Aboriginal People

And lock up the arsonists!

 

[Panthera]

It's weird how comfy -34 windchills feel after a few days of 10 degrees lower.

Maybe I was just being warmed by the burning passion for understanding the causes of Australian fires on display in here.

 

[Senor Catface]

Boomer(s) alert

 

[doulos]

If we could stick to weather and not climate that might be nice. It felt a lot warmer today for sure, which is crazy, but I'll take it. By next week it's going to feel tropical!

 

[Senor Catface]

If we could stick to weather and not climate that might be nice. It felt a lot warmer today for sure, which is crazy, but I'll take it. By next week it's going to feel tropical!

You sound like a real flat-earther.

 

[guymez]

You made the original claim about arson causing the majority of the bush fires. Since digging into stories is a something you recommend, please provide your sources.

I should have used the word potentially.
The point being that neither you nor I know how many people can cause a major fire disaster.
Lets say that dry lightning was another contributor....that seem reasonable enough considering that has been a cause for centuries now. So we also know that these fires (to what extent we will never know) were at the very least were contributed to by people on the ground.

So tell me how the Climate change theory plays into this? That narrative was constructed and paraded around almost immediately with little to no proof and the majority of people just nodded in agreement.
To many of them anybody that challenges that narrative must have something wrong with them.

The funny thing about the Climate Change movement...I have been a staunch environmentalist for about 2 decades now. My household garbage per month is the equivalent of a small composting bagful.
But because I am skeptical about the Climate change models (for good reason) I am considered an outcast from an environmental perspective. Because I dont believe in the cult of Climate change I am considered a denier...an offensive word if there ever was one.

We have a Govt here in Canada that wants Canadians to beleive that they dont really care about getting re-elected in 4 years but they care about what is going to possibly happen (according to some computer program models which have been wrong more than they have been right) in 25 years? Really...how dumb do we have to be to believe that.

They dont give a rats ass about real environmental concerns (like how incredibly polluted the Ottawa river is) and focus all their attention on a theory based on computer models which are supposed to predict 25 years in the future. Models which have the designers in complete obscurity so they dont have to be accountable for anything.
The same models that were used for Al Gores movie. The movie where virtually every prediction was wrong.

Whats the Govt's solution? Dont question anything and give them our money through new taxes and they will fix the problem.
Meanwhile the Govt flips almost 1 billion of that money to the Canadian media and we wonder why we arent hearing both sides of the story.

The whole Climate Change notion is so intellectually questionable I would be a fool not to question it.

 

[Frank the Tank]

I should have used the word potentially.
The point being that neither you nor I know how many people can cause a major fire disaster.
Lets say that dry lightning was another contributor....that seem reasonable enough considering that has been a cause for centuries now. So we know that these fires (to what extent we will never know) were at the very least were contributed to by people on the ground.

So tell me how the Climate change theory plays into this? That narrative was constructed and paraded around almost immediately with little to no proof and the majority of people just nodded in agreement.
To many of them anybody that challenges that narrative must have something wrong with them.

The funny thing about the Climate Change movement...I have been a staunch environmentalist for about 2 decades now. My household garbage per month is the equivalent of a small composting bagful.
But because I am skeptical about the Climate change models (for good reason) I am considered an outcast from an environmental perspective. Because I dont believe in the cult of Climate change I am considered a denier...an offensive word if there ever was one.

We have a Govt here in Canada that wants Canadians to beleive that they dont really care about getting re-elected in 4 years but they care about what is going to possibly happen (according to some computer program models which have been wrong more than they have been right) in 25 years? Really...how dumb do we have to be to believe that.

They dont give a rats ass about real environmental concerns (like how incredibly polluted the Ottawa river is) and focus all their attention on a theory based on computer models which are supposed to predict 25 years in the future. Models which have the designers in complete obscurity so they dont have to be accountable for anything.
The same models that were used for Al Gores movie. The movie where virtually every prediction was wrong.

The whole Climate Change notion is so intellectually questionable I would be a fool not to question it.

I appreciate your clarification on this issue.

As other have stated, this is not the thread for a climate change discussion. I have been attempting to keep my posts related to topics raised by others (well-meaning ribbing of Drivesaitl aside).

 

[Senor Catface]

I appreciate your clarification on this issue.

As other have stated, this is not the thread for a climate change discussion. I have been attempting to keep my posts related to topics raised by others (well-meaning ribbing of Drivesaitl aside).

Yeah, time to move on.

1 percent of the fires were started by arsonists.

99 percent was by the lightning (liberal media).

Case closed!

 

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah, time to move on.

1 percent of the fires were started by arsonists.

99 percent was by the lightning (liberal media).

Case closed!

I believe we have a jimmy rustler here. I need to get some sleep. Have fun!

 

[oobga]

Can't believe people are still denying the existence of ManBearPig! It ate like 500 people just yesterday.

 

[guymez]

I appreciate your clarification on this issue.

As other have stated, this is not the thread for a climate change discussion. I have been attempting to keep my posts related to topics raised by others (well-meaning ribbing of Drivesaitl aside).

I appreciate the conversation.

Despite the fact that we disagreed on virtually everything not once did you name call (directly or indirectly)...props to you.

 

[Sniper99]

I’ll be off to Jordan to see Petra, float in the Dead Sea and do some other Middle East touring

Just when I felt like I might have people jealous of me travelling to a warm city instead of staying in cold *** Edmonton your trip your trip takes the cake. Have fun.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Its absolutely ridiculous. The COE has a current anti driving mandate which is quite clear. To the degree that they seem to be interested in making driving much more difficult by not treating the roads in any way. In fact they've created a lot of this situation with their plow depths which are just leaving enough to be fine curling ice all over the city.

Not a speck of sand and gravel has been seen for nearly a week and after the lightest of dustings were applied.

But the thing is just trying to walk across these sheets of ice is extremely hazardous for pedestrians. Plus in the dark if you fall down on a road somebody probably runs you over. People are barely being able to cross roads without slipping.

City admins want their liquid salt play thing back.

Hence the discontinuation of all things proper.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

It appears arsonists are responsible for less than 1% of the damage. Let's see what the final numbers say; nonetheless, I agree that it's still 1% too much.

I'm curious where you found this number.

Even the article you quoted from ABC has bias.

We crunched the numbers on bushfires and arson — the results might surprise you

It's top blurb before the big pic goes,

"
The results might surprise you.
How fire lies spread 'wildly'


As authorities fight bushfires around the country, an ABC investigation reveals a battle of a very different kind online.

NSW Rural Fire Service (RFS) Inspector Ben Shepherd said earlier this week lightning was predominantly responsible for the bushfire crisis.

That's not exactly what he said.

"I can confidently say the majority of the larger fires that we have been dealing with have been a result of fires coming out of remote areas as a result of dry lightning storms," he said.

Predominantly is not the same as majority. It's a little thing, but language is powerful.

In Victoria, where about 1.2 million hectares has burned, only 385 hectares — or 0.03 per cent — have been attributed to suspicious circumstances.

This state-by-state breakdown reveals the true impact of arson this bushfire season.

This is followed by a big picture making you scroll down for more text. Most people read the top blurb. Oh they say. Just a bunch of bull, 0.03% and then move on to the next blurb. That's how people are today.

Read on though and it gets real. The true numbers emerge and one can be sure that a you can add a few deliberately set fires that went unnoticed or ones under-reported because of fear of copycats. That makes me wonder why some mainstream media like to twist and misdirect the truth like that. I do know a number of the elite detest the working middle class and would prefer an Oligarchic, but I prefer a representative democracy myself. Oligarchic Socialism is not a good road to follow. Rarely ends well.

Canada was once covered in ice 24/7. The world started warming long before people walked on North American Soil. Maybe it was all the Woolly mammoth carbon crap that heated things up in the first place?

 

[OfCorsiDid]

How did Edmonton's CaCl2 experiment end up? I understand that it deliquescing is an exothermic process and has a greater colligative properties than NaCl/KCl; nonetheless, double the chlorine significantly enhances corrosion and it still doesn't work effectively at the current temps.

It was working great, everyone was happy.

Then a stupid city Councillor said it was causing more damage to his car. So we decided to get rid of it because the City prefers body bags over rust on their cars.

I swear, this city sometimes man.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

So like, did the city of Edmonton run out of sand?

The roads are downright scary right now.

It’s actually ridiculous. They haven’t even attempted to do anything about it.